• Disabled rights groups speak out against straw ban
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Feel good measures like plastic straw and shopping bag bans do fuck all of use while inconveniencing the very people you need on board to support the actually meaningful plans.
There are plenty of options when it comes to reusable straws so just use them. I got a big bag of metal straws and cleaners for £5. Things are barely bigger than a pen so I don't see why they can't be brought out.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Plastic recycling in many countries is a joke, a lot of it ends up being shipped out to China where they dump it in a big heap, the rest is mainly burnt with only a small percentage being recycled. Straws, bags and other disposables only count for a small percentage, the real problem is consumer products that we have to constantly throw away due to manufacturers trying to maximize their profit margins, synthetic clothing which sheds plastic fibers when washed and dumping from third world countries, this is just a feel good measure that will have practically no impact in the long run, frankly without serious effort from all countries and manufacturers things are going to remain exactly as they are, or likely get worse as demand for plastics continues to grow, biodegradable plastics are also not currently an option, they are universally more expensive and in some cases do not have the necessary physical properties, I.E polycarbonate, composites, phenolics, etc.
The article says that rivers dump between .47 to 2.75 million tons of plastic in to the sea every year. So that between 6 to 35% of the total 8 million metric tons dumped in to the ocean each year.
What about reusable plastic straws?
this is bullshit. disabled people get reusable bendy straws that are much better for them cuz they cant suck them down their throats and choke to death. probably just entitled people bitching about the inconvenience and/or straw lobbyists(lol).
There's metal straws that are made for this purpose, I read that most restaurants that tried them had issues with people stealing them but it's of course no issue to have a few of your own.
You're right, but, the way you worded this is awful, and that's a terrible example. I think the main point is, yeah, disabled people might need straws to drink, but if you're that reliant on straws, you would carry a one with you at all times, and if you aren't, then how is that the fault of the business? You expect to be accommodated to a certain degree, like wheelchair ramps or disabled stalls in the restrooms, but beyond that you should expect to be able to take care of yourself or have someone with you who does. If you're really in the position where you absolutely need a straw to drink, or it's just enough of a problem to where you don't want to deal with the hassle of not using one, then is it really that hard to carry one with you? Reusable ones are extremely cheap and can even come with a carrying case and a cleaning brush.
https://www.amazon.com/Reusable-Stainless-Straws-Colors-Silver/dp/B074W1QTTW/ref=sr_1_12_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1531511223&sr=1-12&keywords=metal+straws Bring metal straws
I still don't get people who whine about paper straws like they're gonna fucking disintegrate, what do you think the fucking cups are made of, ya melons.
Implying it's ridiculous that customers who need them bring their own straws is dumb as hell. Restaurants should have a little stockpile for anyone that really needs them but for the very few who actually require rigid, non-paper/substitute straws, they really could bring their own. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/107231/cae6d99d-8221-48d9-9463-d96568e85c2a/image.png Plastic straws don't contribute to the overall world waste that much, but they are still frequently discarded where they are swept directly into waterways. It's yet another piece of junk to be rid of, and every substitute product we need to be developed bolsters the overall world R&D of non-plastic materials. Saying we shouldn't make a small change for a small benefit is exceptionally lazy, small changes add up to significant ones.
I had a small Starbucks frappachino at a zoo that came with an animal friendly paper straw and the straw melted from the ice before my drink was finished
I can definitely see how what I write could be misunderstood, but you hit the nail on the head. To clarify, my main point was that there's no reason to have equipment for your disability be disposable and provided by a business you go to, as products like SKS mentioned exist. My example was supposed to be ridiculous, because I think that the concept of a disposable plastic crutch being necessary is exactly as ridiculous as disposable plastic straws being necessary due to products like the one that SKS mentioned.
So what if plastic straws aren’t the biggest contributor to plastic waste? So what if the west isn’t the biggest contributor? It’s better to make smaller changes that are beneficial rather than just saying “no, it’s not big enough of a change”.
At this point we should do everything we can. Skirting environmental regulations needs to be stopped but we can cause good progress by exploring ways to reduce all waste, which even if doesn't do much of a difference in our own countries, can be applied to those less resourceful countries that do generate waste. Personal waste is still absolutely a problem, just not on an individual level.
Use the same strategy as paper cups then, curl the edges.
"Whoops, looks like you should've thought about bringing a ramp to get up into the mcdonalds, ya gimp"
Yeah, straws and ramps are totally as portable and cheap as one another. Much like any piece of disability-management equipment, there is no reason for straws to be disposable. If you need it to drink fluid, you should have one yourself regardless. Restaurants could even offer reusable straws, as grocery stores are starting to do with reusable bags.
And straws and crutches are as portable and cheap as one another... Oh wait.
If anything, that would be an argument for why restaurants should provide crutches, not why they should provide disposable straws.
Even if you live in an area without great water, often you can filter it and get a reusable container. Most bottled water is filtered tap water anyways. Also, the reusable containers are often better than bottled water in my opinion, because you can get them made in materials that keep the cold in.
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Just buy a reusable bottle.
would it not be infinitely more productive and a lot less discriminatory to go after proper regulations that big businesses bankroll legislators to not pass?
Because it's not really "good intention," but diverting away from the huge waste that companies create by pointing their fingers at individual consumers and saying "actually it's your fault!"
Making the bottle in the first place consumes energy and petroleum. Then you have to fill it with water and ship it to a store, which takes even more energy and fuel. Waste isn't the only problem plaguing our environment now.
I love it when people who want to make a little tiny dent in ecology end up screwing over people who need and rely on these things. Anyone remember this image? (Was found out that you could still use these elevators but the sentiment remains) https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/236793/cf0bfecd-edca-41f1-8081-0de5a4f2fd72/image.png
How can you be not disabled enough that you can go to the restaurant, and eat a meal perfectly fine, but the second you take the straw away they're going to die from dehydration? If it's THAT big of a deal they should, and probably already do, carry straws on their person.
Why not do both?
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