• Bot makers loved The Last Jedi discourse so much they decided to politically...
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That's true I suppose, although I think she may have mentioned that she experienced the harassment for a number of months, so I think there was at least some overlap between the lead up to the release, and post release harassment.
Her paper or whatever said she'd been marginalized by casting directors before even getting into Star Wars
I'm on the opposite side of this. Why can't people say they like the movie without people coming out of the woodwork with a list of reasons it was bad and why they shouldn't like it? I'm part of the generation that grew up with the prequels, which I liked and still do to this day. I loved the original trilogy when I first saw it, and also love the current spin-offs and sequels. Sure, they aren't better than the original trilogy besides the visuals, but they're still good movies.
I really, really didn't like the TLJ but the constant push to make the film political by both sides is just exhausting.
I seriously don't know where this 'progressive' narrative comes from. What is progressive about this movie? because the main characters are Asian and black? how is that progressive?
“Russian trolls weaponize Star Wars criticism as an instrument of information warfare with the purpose of pushing for political change, while it is weaponized by right-wing fans to forward a conservative agenda and for some it is a pushback against what they perceive as a feminist/social justice onslaught,” Bay writes.
??? https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/114748/96d19a42-a49b-46e2-a6ab-b3f39b9430e5/image.png (no clue what's up with the critics reviews I liked the movie but even I wouldn't rate it that high lol) Audience score is what matters here (for us), considering that the average rating is 2.9/5 instead of 4/5 or something of the sort, and 45% liked it that's definitely not a minority. Unless, of course, I'm blindly misunderstanding what you said.
oh fuck off with this blind defense of Star Wars already. i swear on my life that you must be paid by Disney due to how much you harp on and on about star wars whenever possible, and defend every little bit of it and frankly i detest accusing people of being "shills".
The two incompetent characters who accomplish nothing are Asian and black, the one who saves the day is the pretty white girl and her old man mentor.. I agree I'm not seeing the progressive angle.
Social media is a big part of this. For example since TLJ's release almost every post by the Star Wars Facebook page has been flooded with anti-TLJ comments. Even if the post is just happy birthday to one of the cast or crew, there'll be tons of people posting to tell them they killed the series and getting hundreds of likes. It's started to die down a bit lately but now these people have a platform to feel validated on they just keep at it, all because they're getting virtual pats on the back for shouting at an official platform. It's like having that annoying friend goes off on a tangential rant every time you bring up Star Wars. Before social media boomed it was easy enough to just say get over it, it's a movie etc but now making virulent comments is becoming mainstream. If you say something positive online you're bound to get pounced on by angry dorks that disagree with you.
People seem really quick to dismiss this as a baseless "Russian bots narrative" without engaging with the academic paper explaining how they came to this conclusion?
I totally believe it. If Russia is capable of fanning neckbeardian flames, they will. I'm willing to bet they're behind https://make.girls.moe/#/ so that they can have unique anime avatars for each anti-starwars diversity bot they make
I thought they had finished the film completely, then Carrie Fisher happened to have died before the film's release?
Dunno, but they apparently had enough leftover footage to not have to CGI her in the next installment
I haven't seen TLJ yet, but this whole discourse makes me wanna make a good movie with woman and minorities in it, so that these so call "anti-SJW" can actually shut up and stop implying that movie with diversity are gonna always flop and that these so call "SJWs" don't have to keep defending this movie base on the diversity on it's own, like they did with Ghostbusters or something
Filming on TLJ completed on 22 July 2016, around 5 months before her passing in December. “We came back together after New Year’s, after Carrie had passed away and we had the movie pretty well cut together at that point,” Johnson said. “And I had a conversation with Kathy [Kennedy] about it and we both just decided… I don’t know, the idea of trying to manufacture some kind of ending for Leia in this movie — first of all, it would be manufactured therefore it wouldn’t be great, and second it would mean, we would inevitably have to lose some of the great performance Carrie gave in this movie.”
Interesting quote since her scenes are the worst edited parts of the movie. Literally every scene she was in felt like a fever dream
uhhh, why is this a point??? that had more to do with casting for extras, likely some sexism involved, than anything else. There's nothing "continuity wise" or lore wise that says women can't be fighter pilots. and even besides this, there was a female A-Wing pilot in The Last Jedi. Lucas had also cast a few other female extras to be pilots, but they all got cut for some reason. And our remaining woman was dubbed over by an American for some reason. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d7/Sila_Kott.png/revision/latest?cb=20130417045213 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpowA__KSzo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYMAB1vnqA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzdBY26M2qc
You're not allowed to like things
...are there no good movies with minorities and women?
I legitimately only liked the parts of the movie with John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran in them. That arc was the only one that had any kind of progression in it; everything else was just people arguing about shit and making stupid irrational decisions
Of course there are, but I never seen nobody bringing them up when they bring up modern diverse films
Already happened: Annihilation.
Something about this is hilariously hypocritical
I don't.
Maybe it's possible that The Last Jedi sucked ass and Russian bots are mind controlling us, at the same time! Holy shit this sounds like the plot of Metal Gear.
Well, whatever the case we both know "minorities and SJW ruining things" isn't an actual valid criticism they believe in, they know very well it's faults lie within the writing and directing and that those are factors independant of the actors appearance, they merely use the movies as a means to convey the general message that "PINK HAIRED LADY BAD WHITE BROWN HAIRED MAN GOOD", so on so forth. Hell, TFA was called "SJW shite" or whatever by some folks and there's really...nothing? Note-worthy about the characters? Now, it's also important to keep in mind that these are also vocal minorities and not everyone that hated it hated it because there were colored people or...hair-colored people I guess? Nah, most hated it probably because...it sucked. Honestly I only liked it because I was expecting it to be two hours of Mickey Mouse shitting all over the Star Wars logo whilst violently masturbating and looking at the camera but as it turns out it was a movie. I mean, I didn't expect that but the message is that I had no standards set for this movie, so the fact it's a (mostly) functioning movie is good enough for me.
oh and more against this point, Episode 1 featured a female fighter pilot as well. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/0a/Bravo_5.png/revision/latest?cb=20131112165220 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/a7/Ellberger.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120114191015
that's because those movies don't obsess over the fact they are diverse, they just simply exist. the diversity is just casting rather than quotas. the thing is people set out with that mission you mentioned, rather than setting out to make a good movie with diversity happening naturally woven into the process. it's happened plenty of times.
I mean if you don't want people to respond to your opinions, you can just type them into notepad and keep them to yourself. You can say this stuff is subjective, and no can be wrong and yadda yadda, but the fact remains that people who like Applebee's have poor taste and will probably eat up just about anything, and I'm not saying I'm making a parable here, but I'm making a parable.
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