• Navy destroyer John S. McCain collides with merchant vessel
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[QUOTE=millan;52596945]We've got consumer cars on the market that can signalise and react to a probable collision with only few seconds of time available, based on info from nothing but cameras and in some cases some cheap laser scanner. These multi million ships are clad in radar, sonar, and can see each other probably good half an hour before they could collide even if they have been going straight at each other at full speed. How's there no timely collision warning on them?[/QUOTE] Fyi this is what the area in and around the straights of Malacca looks like: [IMG]http://www.gard.no/Content/20783578/attr=0A315EB21E41536EE0530B1CA8C04465/Singapore_strait.jpg[/IMG] While they were just outside the straights that area is still one of the most traveled shipping lanes in the world. Having personally gone though on multiple occasions it's incredibly crowded and not hard to see how a lapse in competent watch standing could cause this. All sensors we have work fine, but they are not automatic, they rely on watch standers on the ridge and in combat to monitor them and communicate with other watch standers such as the OOD, JOOD, NAV, CON, TAO, SURFACE SUP, SPY, etc. Likely either nobody was paying attention again, or thy attempted to cut across the cargo ship thinking they had more clearance than they did. An act of terror is fairly implausible in this situation. [editline]f[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;52597030]My understanding of the Arleigh Burke's capabilities is that had anyone seen the ship coming it would've had no trouble getting out of the way even from a full stop. These ships are capable of some pretty incredible acceleration and steering for their size. Either she was experiencing engineering trouble or this was a tremendous failure on the part of the watch. And if she was underway - no contest: If anyone had noticed the ship on a collision course within 5 minutes of the impact it would've been easily avoided.[/QUOTE] I was apart of [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/north-korean-ship-turned-back-by-us-navy/2011/06/13/AG7wxLTH_story.html?utm_term=.8b8b354c65a1"]this[/URL], and we had the same issue of Motor Vehicle light constantly attempting to ram us, considering the cargo ship can only do a paltry 12 or so knots we simply sped up to 30, swung around and go back behind them again. They'd do it once every day or so and eventually gave up after a week and a half. [QUOTE=Im Crimson;52597069]Are there no automatic collision warning systems in use on military ships? You can pick up an AIS transponder that does exactly that for a civilian vessel for a couple of hundred bucks.[/QUOTE] Nope, entirely manual, this is what they look like on our ships. [IMG]https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0412/07/navy-brass-alarm-switches-general_1_dc41ecfd0cb5ca281dd11cae2a4fffb3.jpg[/IMG]
Are there no automatic collision warning systems in use on military ships? You can pick up an AIS transponder that does exactly that for a civilian vessel for a couple of hundred bucks.
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52596543]Closer picture of the damage [img]https://vgy.me/LUQqD7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Their damage control team on that ship is top-notch for able to keep the ship afloat with that kind of damage.
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52596543]Closer picture of the damage [img]https://vgy.me/LUQqD7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] eh don't worry, that'll buff right out
[QUOTE=KnightRider25;52594861][t]https://vgy.me/LUQqD7.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Why do ships always look like they're just metal sheets on top of a trash mound when stuff like this happens?
[QUOTE=Paramud;52597253]Why do ships always look like they're just metal sheets on top of a trash mound when stuff like this happens?[/QUOTE] Wiring, pipes, insulation, metal turning into scrap, stuff inside the compartments flying around etc.
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52596543]Closer picture of the damage [img]https://vgy.me/LUQqD7.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Dont worry guys, I got a silver sharpie. They'll never know.
Now Malaysia and Singapore are fighting over that it happened in their waters They just really wanna be the guy saving America huh
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52599302]Now Malaysia and Singapore are fighting over that it happened in their waters They just really wanna be the guy saving America huh[/QUOTE] That doesn't make sense, I mean the JSM was taken back to Changi, a naval base we share with you guys by Singaporean tugboats I don't really think there should really be any question as to who stepped up. That being said I appreciate both your country and the Malaysians both for stepping up and providing assets to help search for our guys. (Even if I feel it's in vain)
[QUOTE=Ta16;52599322]That doesn't make sense, I mean the JSM was taken back to Changi, a naval base we share with you guys by Singaporean tugboats I don't really think there should really be any question as to who stepped up. That being said I appreciate both your country and the Malaysians both for stepping up and providing assets to help search for our guys. (Even if I feel it's in vain)[/QUOTE] Cause it happened near pedra branca [QUOTE]Singapore and Malaysia both said the incident took place in their territorial waters, as the warship and oil tanker collided near the rocky outcrop of Pedra Branca, an area that has long been contested by both countries. Both countries said they were leading the search and rescue operation for the missing sailors.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-crash-malaysia-idUSKCN1B1171[/url]
[media]https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/899793613126864897[/media]
For a moment I though it was somebody was actually able to jam the signals, but it's true, why didn't they just back-up steering (aft steering)? The bigger question is did they even know they lost steering on the bridge?
[QUOTE=Mallow234;52599761][media]https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/899793613126864897[/media][/QUOTE] So in my experience, you can steer the ship five different ways. SCC (Ships Control Console, aka the helm on the bridge) Aft Steering (Compartment in the rear of the ship where the rudders are) Ratchet Assembly (Aka a big torque wrench) Hand Pump (Hand cranked hydraulic pump) and the Trick Wheel (Slowest of them all, turn the wheel 60 or so rotations to turn the rudders one degree) They had at least four other options to choose from. I wanna know what's up.
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52600183]So in my experience, you can steer the ship five different ways. SCC (Ships Control Console, aka the helm on the bridge) Aft Steering (Compartment in the rear of the ship where the rudders are) Ratchet Assembly (Aka a big torque wrench) Hand Pump (Hand cranked hydraulic pump) and the Trick Wheel (Slowest of them all, turn the wheel 60 or so rotations to turn the rudders one degree) They had at least four other options to choose from. I wanna know what's up.[/QUOTE] I imagine it was the usual combination of factors that let redundant systems like this fail (or not be used): crew error, unique circumstances, and a good dash of bad luck (like where this all occurred)
Remains have been found inside the ship (but not all), Malaysian navy also claims to have found some remains at sea as well. [QUOTE] WASHINGTON – U.S. Navy divers have discovered the remains of some of the 10 missing sailors inside the damaged compartments on board the destroyer John S. McCain. Malaysian Navy forces discovered additional remains at sea as the search continues into its second day. The head of U.S. Pacific Fleet announced the discovery Tuesday evening in Singapore, where McCain is in port as the divers continue to try and access spaces flooded after a collision with an oil and chemical tanker three times its size. “The divers were able to locate some remains in those sealed compartments during their search today,” said Adm. Scott Swift said. Additionally, the Malaysian navy has reported that they have located potential remains. We are working to confirm and identify those remains. As more info comes in, we will make it available.” [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.navytimes.com/naval/2017/08/22/dead-mccain-sailors-found-aboard-ship-as-the-search-continues/[/URL]
Terrible news to hear. I can't imagine the pain those sailors went through.
Being trapped in a metal box slowly filling with water is one of the more horrific ways to die.
[QUOTE=Blanketspace;52601990]Being trapped in a metal box slowly filling with water is one of the more horrific ways to die.[/QUOTE] A friend of mine survived drowning and he said it was actually really peaceful, but granted he was stuck in an overturned kayak as opposed to being stuck in a room...
Names have been released of the missing Sailors. [QUOTE] [B]Electronics Technician 3rd Class Kenneth Aaron Smith, 22, from New Jersey.[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.16.23-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Electronics Technician 1st Class Charles Nathan Findley, 31, from Missouri;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.15.14-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Interior Communications Electrician 1st Class Abraham Lopez, 39, from Texas;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.15.44-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Electronics Technician 2nd Class Kevin Sayer Bushell, 26, from Maryland;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.13.15-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Electronics Technician 2nd Class Jacob Daniel Drake, 21, from Ohio;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.14.48-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Information Systems Technician 2nd Class Timothy Thomas Eckels Jr., 23, from Maryland;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.15.02-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Information Systems Technician 2nd Class Corey George Ingram, 28, from New York;[/B] (No picture) [B]Electronics Technician 3rd Class Dustin Louis Doyon, 26, from Connecticut;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.14.09-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Electronics Technician 3rd Class John Henry Hoagland III, 20, from Texas;[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.15.31-AM.jpg[/t] [B]Interior Communications Electrician 3rd Class Logan Stephen Palmer, 23, from Illinois.[/B] [t]http://americanmilitarynews.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-08-24-at-9.16.12-AM.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ta16;52607721]Names have been released of the missing Sailors.[/QUOTE] Damn, all ET's, IT's, and ICmen.
So the berthing the ship hit was Combat System berthing.
They found remains of all 10 missing sailors. [QUOTE]Divers have recovered the remains of all 10 US sailors who went missing after the USS John S McCain and an oil tanker collided off Singapore, the US Navy said on Monday (Aug 28). The remaining eight sailors were retrieved by divers searching flooded compartments of the USS John S McCain, it said, after the discovery of two bodies was announced last week.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/uss-john-s-mccain-collision-remains-of-all-10-missing-sailors-9163014[/url]
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