• Judge (literally) sniffs out offender who attends court with weed hidden in sock
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[QUOTE=Black Pete;52608303]You can drive your car stoned pretty easy. Go ahead and shower the actual weed smokers with dumbs you ignorant bastards.[/QUOTE] Can and should are two very different things. You sound like a drunk who thinks hes good to drive " I'm fine guys it doesn't affect me I'm safe to drive I only had 3 beers.
I'll tell you what when I get blitzed on some Jack Herer and play Euro Truck Sim, I know I wouldn't be able to function on real roads. Fucking terrifying enough when I flip my Volvo in-game.
[QUOTE=Black Pete;52608303]You can drive your car stoned pretty easy. Go ahead and shower the actual weed smokers with dumbs you ignorant bastards. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Cares about Ratings" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight][/QUOTE] From what my friends have said and from my own experience, driving high on pot makes you drive like a skittish granny which can be just as dangerous as drunk driving.
[QUOTE=Conna;52607042]I dunno, I guess we'll never know for sure.[/QUOTE] Weed is not addictive, so I guess we do actually know. Mystery solved! [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=shad0w440;52608615]From what my friends have said and from my own experience, driving high on pot makes you drive like a skittish granny which can be just as dangerous as drunk driving.[/QUOTE] Driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol is stupid as fuck. I fully support legalization and recreational marijuana use, but the second you get behind the wheel while high you deserve the full weight of a DUI, including prison time if necessary. You cannot have your faculties hampered while in control of a vehicle, because vehicles are deadly weapons. You are not just endangering your own life at that point, but the lives of everybody else on the road.
[QUOTE=Xonax;52607538]Hey you managed to get me to stop playing my Video Games to respond to this, congratulations. The difference between smoking a Ciggy and smoking a joint while driving is, one won't change your reaction time, your awareness and so on, while the other will. It's like saying "I mean yeah people drink Soft Drinks driving, nothing wrong with drinking some Beer on the way home". You got a point but you must remember, even the slightest stimulation to the brain from a Narcotic or Alcoholic Beverage can change the way the Brain perceives things.[/QUOTE] I don't drive high But weed doesn't do that to me All I do when I'm high is play video games, cook, and clean. And after enough time in video games pulling off clutch moments of intense coordination while high, I don't believe it lowers my reflexes. Otherwise, all those things I bump out of the fridge and promptly catch would shatter on the ground and the like. I don't believe anyone should drive high But I also don't agree that weed makes you slower.
Driving while high is possible, but it's still very stupid. I'll drive high five blocks through my neighborhood at 20mph at midnight to grab some snacks from the corner store occasionally, but people who just cruise around at highway speeds while high are endangering others. I'd argue that driving while sleep deprived is significantly worse than driving high. Hell, I'd rather be driving next to a bunch of nervous and attentive high drivers who don't wanna get caught than a bunch of sober soccer moms trying to calm down their yelling kids while trying to pair their Bluetooth to the car. Distracted driving and sleep-deprived driving are far more dangerous in my experience, but they're way more socially acceptable.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608627]Weed is not addictive, so I guess we do actually know. Mystery solved! [/quote] I believe its dangerous to say its not addictive, its not addictive in the sense that it alters your body chemistry to require it but it can be addictive to one who is susceptible to it like alcohol can. That being said there are millions of people who drink and aren't alcoholics.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608627]Weed is not addictive, so I guess we do actually know. Mystery solved![/QUOTE] Isn't everything that provides your brain the right chemicals addictive? Or do you mean that in the sense of your body not giving you the shakes and making it hard to live without it? E: Basically what the post above is saying
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52607127]"stupid motherfuckers who think they're bulletproof" thats rich coming from the stupid motherfucker that " definitely had my celebratory smoke as i drove away from possession charges"[/QUOTE] Preferably people are capable of taking a little toke in private without getting punished... [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608627]Weed is not addictive, so I guess we do actually know. Mystery solved! [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] Driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol is stupid as fuck. I fully support legalization and recreational marijuana use, but the second you get behind the wheel while high you deserve the full weight of a DUI, including prison time if necessary. You cannot have your faculties hampered while in control of a vehicle, because vehicles are deadly weapons. You are not just endangering your own life at that point, but the lives of everybody else on the road.[/QUOTE] Lol why not, oh I don't know, go on a case by case basis? Weed affects people differently and it is absolutely possible to drive better than the general population while high if you are good at handling your high. [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Xonax;52607538]Hey you managed to get me to stop playing my Video Games to respond to this, congratulations. The difference between smoking a Ciggy and smoking a joint while driving is, one won't change your reaction time, your awareness and so on, while the other will. It's like saying "I mean yeah people drink Soft Drinks driving, nothing wrong with drinking some Beer on the way home". You got a point but you must remember, even the slightest stimulation to the brain from a Narcotic or Alcoholic Beverage can change the way the Brain perceives things.[/QUOTE] Smoking cigarettes can change your awareness.
Marijuana use in neurologically developed adults is not addictive. Marijuana use in teenagers with non-complete development of their brain can result in addictive-like behaviors. It may alter the way in which dopamine is produced and retained in your dopaminergic receptors (your 'pleasure centers' which can play upon addiction.) Smoking marijuana from a young age habitually can cause symptoms similar to addiction - mood swings when you cease, irritability, and so on. But there is no 'withdrawal' such as with heroin or methamphetamine (those can literally kill you) Furthermore, there isn't any conclusive evidence that driving under the influence of marijuana is dangerous. There is, however, conclusive evidence that driving under the influence of alcohol [I]and[/I] marijuana is dangerous. Alcohol and Cannabinoids are cross-potentiators and increase the effects of each other whilst in your system. Driving in this state [I]is[/I] dangerous, but mostly because of the alcohol. Studies of drunk-driving related accidents have found quite a few examples of fatalities in which alcohol and marijuana were found in the blood of the driver. There are almost no examples of this scenario where merely marijuana is found to be at fault.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608709]Preferably people are capable of taking a little toke in private without getting punished... [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] Lol why not, oh I don't know, go on a case by case basis? Weed affects people differently and it is absolutely possible to drive better than the general population while high if you are good at handling your high.[/QUOTE] "I drive better drunk." Your judgment cannot be relied upon while driving high. Even if you, specifically, [I]are[/I] for some reason a better driver while high (a claim I find suspect, as your only frame of reference for how good you are at driving while high comes from your opinion of your abilities [I]while[/I] you are high, a judgment call influenced by a substance that alters your judgment)... I digress, even if you [I]are[/I] personally a better driver, that's not how the law works. The law doesn't make allowances for "well, sure, he was driving drunk, but you could hardly tell," because in almost all cases it is unarguably more dangerous to drive under the influence. Johhny Joe may be a fantastic driver while high, but the other 99% of drivers on the road aren't. So, Johnny Joe gets equal treatment under the law as everybody else. I think you've got every right to have a smoke and relax a bit, but don't start endangering other peoples' lives because you're doing it irresponsibly. You fully deserve to be charged with a crime if you are caught driving high for not respecting the lives and welfare of the people around you. Cars are incredibly dangerous, and marijuana dulls your faculties and thus your ability to safely operate them.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608755]"I drive better drunk." Sorry, case by case doesn't work. Your judgment cannot be relied upon while driving high. I think you've got every right to have a smoke and relax a bit, but don't start endangering other peoples' lives because you're doing it irresponsibly. You fully deserve to be charged with a crime if you are caught driving high for not respecting the lives and welfare of the people around you. Cars are incredibly dangerous, and marijuana dulls your faculties and thus your ability to safely operate them.[/QUOTE] Yeah except drunkenness is known to be completely different from being high. Case by case doesn't work? I shudder to think of a system ruled by you.
There is a reason certain medicines say not to drive or operate heavy machinery after taking not "Lol why not, oh I don't know, go on a case by case basis?"
[QUOTE=duckmaster;52608773]There is a reason certain medicines say not to drive or operate heavy machinery after taking not "Lol why not, oh I don't know, go on a case by case basis?"[/QUOTE] Yes, if you take some medicine and you get into the seat of a car I do not believe you should be arrested. I believe you can be arrested and have your sentence modified due to the drugs, but only if you actually do something wrong. You're basically asking for thought crimes, or in this case thought altering crime
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608755]"I drive better drunk." Your judgment cannot be relied upon while driving high. Even if you, specifically, [I]are[/I] for some reason a better driver while high (a claim I find suspect, as your only frame of reference for how good you are at driving while high comes from your opinion of your abilities [I]while[/I] you are high, a judgment call influenced by a substance that alters your judgment)... I digress, even if you [I]are[/I] personally a better driver, that's not how the law works. The law doesn't make allowances for "well, sure, he was driving drunk, but you could hardly tell," because in almost all cases it is unarguably more dangerous to drive under the influence. Johhny Joe may be a fantastic driver while high, but the other 99% of drivers on the road aren't. So, Johnny Joe gets equal treatment under the law as everybody else. I think you've got every right to have a smoke and relax a bit, but don't start endangering other peoples' lives because you're doing it irresponsibly. You fully deserve to be charged with a crime if you are caught driving high for not respecting the lives and welfare of the people around you. Cars are incredibly dangerous, and marijuana dulls your faculties and thus your ability to safely operate them.[/QUOTE] There are entire studies to show that marijuana use does not contribute to driving accidents [url]http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review-of-the-scientific-evidence[/url] [QUOTE=Study 1] ... The results to date of crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes. … [In] cases in which THC was the only drug present were analyzed, the culpability ratio was found to be not significantly different from the no-drug group.” [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608763]Yeah except drunkenness is known to be completely different from being high. Case by case doesn't work? I shudder to think of a system ruled by you.[/QUOTE] I hate to break it to you, Cheech, but you're already living in one. DUI's are covered under pretty well established penal codes. They don't get you drunk and have you go take a driving test to see how good you are at driving drunk before charging you. They just charge you. The question is, "[I]was[/I] he driving drunk?" not, "how good a driver is he when he is drunk?" Drunkenness and the effects of marijuana [I]are[/I] different, yes. They are also both impairing. Smoke in the privacy of your own home all you want to, but quit trying to justify endangering other peoples' lives by doing it when you're in operation of a deadly weapon.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608783]Yes, if you take some medicine and you get into the seat of a car I do not believe you should be arrested. I believe you can be arrested and have your sentence modified due to the drugs, but only if you actually do something wrong. You're basically asking for thought crimes, or in this case thought altering crime[/QUOTE] So we should just wait for an accident to happen before we do anything? I'd much rather people just straight up don't handle have machinery while not in tip top mental condition. It's like if I was waving a gun around in a public place. Sure I'm not doing any harm, but I'm still putting people in serious danger. It's illegal for a damn good reason. Even if you think you can drive high, just don't, for the sake of everyone around you. You're driving a literal ton of metal, show it some respect.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608797]I hate to break it to you, Cheech, but you're already living in one. DUI's are covered under pretty well established penal codes. They don't get you drunk and have you go take a driving test to see how good you are at driving drunk before charging you. They just charge you. The question is, "[I]was[/I] he driving drunk?" not, "how good a driver is he when he is drunk?" Drunkenness and the effects of marijuana [I]are[/I] different, yes. They are also both impairing. Smoke in the privacy of your own home all you want to, but quit trying to justify endangering other peoples' lives by doing it when you're in operation of a deadly weapon.[/QUOTE] I see what you mean, but it doesn't seem exactly fair to punish people who are perfectly fine drivers just because of some activity they partook in. I would favor a system that punished based on actual crimes instead. [editline]24th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaggers;52608813]So we should just wait for an accident to happen before we do anything? I'd much rather people just straight up don't handle have machinery while not in tip top mental condition. It's like if I was waving a gun around in a public place. Sure I'm not doing any harm, but I'm still putting people in serious danger. It's illegal for a damn good reason. Even if you think you can drive high, just don't, for the sake of everyone around you[/QUOTE] Well I mean... There are usually signs if someone is a shitty driver and cops can pull over based on that. If they find out you're under the influence they should give you a couple tests. If you pass they should maybe give you a fine rather than jail time just because.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608763]Yeah except drunkenness is known to be completely different from being high. Case by case doesn't work? I shudder to think of a system ruled by you.[/QUOTE] Does being intoxicated impair your ability to drive and make decisions: yes. Does being high impair your ability to drive and make decisions: yes. Comparison over. edit [QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608823]I see what you mean, but it doesn't seem exactly fair to punish people who are perfectly fine drivers just because of some activity they partook in. I would favor a system that punished based on actual crimes instead.[/QUOTE] This is a dangerous statement.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608823]I see what you mean, but it doesn't seem exactly fair to punish people who are perfectly fine drivers just because of some activity they partook in. I would favor a system that punished based on actual crimes instead.[/QUOTE] But the activity that they have partaken in [I]is the problem.[/I] It [I]is[/I] the "Actual Crime." Marijuana negatively effects your judgment, reflexes, and perception, and thus should it should be (and is) illegal to drive under its effects. Maybe you think it's over-cautious (and hell, maybe it is), but we should not take vehicle safety lightly. DUI laws are critical, because car crashes account for a [I]staggering[/I] percentage of deaths in the United States. We should not be making allowances for easily-preventable factors that make the roadways any more dangerous. It's not a difficult thing to just wait until you get home to have your weed, or to plan your consumption around driving only after the effects have worn off.
I dunno, I just know I'm not really any different at driving while high. Driving seriously isn't that complicated so it's not like it's hard to keep it all under control.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608856]I dunno, I just know I'm not really any different at driving while high. Driving seriously isn't that complicated so it's not like it's hard to keep it all under control.[/QUOTE] -- is what everybody says just before a fatal car accident.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52608838]Does being intoxicated impair your ability to drive and make decisions: yes. Does being high impair your ability to drive and make decisions: yes. Comparison over. edit This is a dangerous statement.[/QUOTE] What's dangerous is saying that your brain chemistry should be able to get you pulled over and arrested alone.
Everyone is just over exaggerating the effects of marijuana and making it seem like a danger when, statistically speaking, it really is not a recognizable danger. There are virtually no accidents where marijuana is the cause.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52608867]-- is what everybody says just before a fatal car accident.[/QUOTE] Right, well unfortunately even if I was a race car driver you could still say that so...
If you're going to be driving, you owe it to yourself and everyone else to do it as safely as possible. Like, not even getting into the legality, its common sense. Just don't chance it, even if you're the exception that can do it safely; pot isn't so important that you can't wait till you get home. [QUOTE=Quark:;52608871]Everyone is just over exaggerating the effects of marijuana and making it seem like a danger when, statistically speaking, it really is not a recognizable danger. There are virtually no accidents where marijuana is the cause.[/QUOTE] There's still the fact that it can impair motor skills in a lot of people. Because it's not dangerous now doesn't mean it wont become a problem once legalization hits and the number of people driving under the influence goes way up.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52608856]I dunno, I just know I'm not really any different at driving while high. [B]Driving seriously isn't that complicated so it's not like it's hard to keep it all under control.[/QUOTE] Factually wrong which is why drunk drivers do poorly on SFST. Because they're impaired and unable to function with divided attention.
So many people in this thread have never realized exactly how powerful, intense and sometimes disorienting and unpleasant that a strong nicotine buzz can be. I'd honestly rather drive high than drive while smoking a cigarette and having to deal with ashing it and the strong buzzing feeling, shaking and anxiety. Also drunk driving is prosecuted on a case by case basis because they actually test for how drunk you are.
I can see where you guys are coming from and I agree it's not a good idea to let people use substances behind the wheel just because they feel they're good enough. At the same time, though, I find it a little questionable to punish people who drive perfectly normally for the mere fact they smoked or drank. I think that to some degree actions matter more than thought alteration but I can also see why we wouldn't want to have a rule that let's the general population think they can smoke or whatever behind the wheel.
[QUOTE=Thaggers;52608892]There's still the fact that it can impair motor skills in a lot of people. Because it's not dangerous now doesn't mean it wont become a problem once legalization hits and the number of people driving under the influence goes way up.[/QUOTE] According to whom? Studies that show it doesn't contribute to risk of accidents? Or people who have never used marijuana and just parrot how bad it is according to the US Govt? You're fear mongering. "When it becomes legal everywhere it'll be a problem cause everyone will be high when they're driving" is an invalid argument.
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