• Van driven into crowd in London at Finsbury Park
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[QUOTE=fulgrim;52377348]Yeah, the amount of shit ive seen describing the attack as "Hitting back!" against Muslims actually boils my piss. Why would you even put something like that on social media? gg on being an apologist for terrorism where everyone can see!.[/QUOTE] People don't understand that justifying any of these attacks as "hitting back" at "the other side" just justifies further attacks and is the exact same argument islamic terrorists are using
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52377381][media]https://twitter.com/KeeganNYC/status/876621538853781505[/media] Daily Mail keeping things classy.[/QUOTE] They aren't exactly wrong, as [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri"]Abu_Hamza_al-Masri[/URL] is serving a life sentence in jail on terrorism charges. Calling Abu Hamza's rhetoric hateful is putting it very, very lightly. Glad the piece of shit is in jail for the rest of the garbage pile that is his life.
They're absolutely correct about the cleric, however it seems fairly irrelevant to the attack.
I guess it could be his reason for targeting that specific mosque but it doesn't change the fact that he targeted innocent people.
[QUOTE=Jordax;52377394]They aren't exactly wrong, as [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri"]Abu_Hamza_al-Masri[/URL] is serving a life sentence in jail on terrorism charges. Calling Abu Hamza's rhetoric hateful is putting it very, very lightly. Glad the piece of shit is in jail for the rest of the garbage pile that is his life.[/QUOTE] Abu Hamza's mosque was shut down 14 years ago, and was reclaimed by people [I]specifically brought in by the police to turn it around[/I]. we might as well be talking about a different building for how relevant it is
That headline seeks to subliminally establish a dog whistle connection between the victims and Abu Hamza, like if you described the Westminster attack as "man drives van into pedestrians at former rallying site for the far-right EDL"
Yeah it's pretty obvious what they are trying to do with that headline. Absolute scumbags.
Wow, are you telling me that the Daily Mail caters to islamophobes and racists even in the face of a terror attack? Say it ain't so.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52377374]They could probably be prosecuted for that if they're promoting or encouraging terrorism. [url=https://www.gov.uk/report-terrorism]There's a site for reporting it[/url][/QUOTE] The thing is these people don't believe they're encouraging/promoting terrorism and you know that too, you just want to see these people prosecuted because you strongly disagree with their views. Sure you can report them if you want, but they won't get prosecuted unless there's proof that they may be involved or become involved with terrorism. These people are still allowed freedom of speech, even if what they're saying is wrong.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;52376016]But remember guys, it's not terrorism if the person isn't brown. I'm 100% convinced that there will be no mention of the word "Terrorism" from the bulk of newspapers, even though it's exactly that. I'm probably going to get banned for that first sentence, but it's true. The guy won't be seen as a terrorist, just as someone who is "mentally ill" or "has many problems in his life", while the media casually forgets that the same things apply to Islamic terrorists too. That is all, of course, based on the fact that the guy seems to have done this as some sort of revenge act, which makes sense given the specific target that was hit. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Bradyns))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I'm glad this sort of rhetoric was proven wrong, to say the least. I don't know why people would consider it in the UK anyway, we've been calling white people terrorists for nearly a hundred years (the IRA).
I'm baffled by the fact that revenge attacks against innocent muslims are happening in europe. This is the one major thing that can cause a massive divide between the muslim community and the natives. If this continues, we might not see the end of these revenge attacks.
[QUOTE=RzDat;52377488]I'm baffled by the fact that revenge attacks against innocent muslims are happening in europe. This is the one major thing that can cause a massive divide between the muslim community and the natives. If this continues, we might not see the end of these revenge attacks.[/QUOTE] Would be pretty tragic for religious extremists like IS and Britain First to get their precious holy war.
Seen a few people picking on the fact that he's going to be mentally assessed and how its going to be used to excuse him etc. They did specifically report he is going to be mentally assessed, my question is do they assess all people who commit terrorist acts and are caught? Surely there was some reason for them to think he needed assessment other than a conspiracy to pass off an attack by a white man as insanity.
[QUOTE=Cushie;52377548]Seen a few people picking on the fact that he's going to be mentally assessed and how its going to be used to excuse him etc. They did specifically report he is going to be mentally assessed, my question is do they assess all people who commit terrorist acts and are caught? Surely there was some reason for them to think he needed assessment other than a conspiracy to pass off an attack by a white man as insanity.[/QUOTE] Being mentally unsound, racist and a terrorist aren't mutually exclusive The problem is inconsistency. When its a muslim terrorist with clear mental issues its often primarily attributed to his religion (or by the more radical peeps, his ethnicity).
If two opposing extremist groups start to "compete" I fear they will gain support in their targeted recruitment groups under the guise of protecting "their own". Hopefully we will see the end of these attacks in the future, and hopefully through social progress and not authoritarian repression.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;52377117]I remember the days when this kind of thing was just labelled as an accident, and that's what it was today everything has to be treated like a terrorist attack because it may just be, it's disheartening[/QUOTE] Well realistically it probably was, someone taking revenge against the muslims [editline]19th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RzDat;52377488]I'm baffled by the fact that revenge attacks against innocent muslims are happening in europe. This is the one major thing that can cause a massive divide between the muslim community and the natives. If this continues, we might not see the end of these revenge attacks.[/QUOTE] Well as we've seen with a lot of recent terror attacks, all it takes is one man in a van to pull one off. It's not all that surprising that we've finally seen one.
Feels like no one is talking about this and all i see on Facebook is people excusing the incident by bashing on Islam even more lol. It goes like this "Islam is a destructive ideology who is bent on taking the world under it's command [B]BUT[/B], this is not how you fight Islamism. You never use violence because there are other ways to fight the hateful ideology"
Apparently the police classified this as a terrorist incident within 8 minutes, so while we were discussing it on the first page, it had already happened. The suspect has now been arrested for terror offences on top of his initial arrest for attempted murder [url]http://news.met.police.uk/news/incident-in-seven-sisters-road-247036?hootPostID=2f50daff855cd3cd37f0c3be1cf5474c[/url] Also, the only death so far was apparently from a man who had collapsed [I]before[/I] the attack. He was receiving first aid when the van hit him and those gathered around him
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52377969]Also, the only death so far was apparently from a man who had collapsed [I]before[/I] the attack. He was receiving first aid when the van hit him and those gathered around him[/QUOTE] Wow talk about having a bad day
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40336386]As far as I can see[/url], every major newspaper is carrying the story on its front page tomorrow and calling it a terrorist attack, including the tabloids [t]https://i.imgur.com/6u636hQ.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/7fFixRj.jpg[/t] The sole exception is the Daily Express, which sort of implies it by saying that it 'mirrored' the Westminster and London Bridge attacks, but doesn't actually come out and say it [t]https://i.imgur.com/rHJsK8W.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52379306][url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40336386]As far as I can see[/url], every major newspaper is carrying the story on its front page tomorrow and calling it a terrorist attack, including the tabloids [t]https://i.imgur.com/6u636hQ.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/7fFixRj.jpg[/t] The sole exception is the Daily Express, which sort of implies it by saying that it 'mirrored' the Westminster and London Bridge attacks, but doesn't actually come out and say it [t]https://i.imgur.com/rHJsK8W.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] haven't we learned not to put their faces on the front cover of the paper so it doesn't encourage people who want to be famous?
I don't understand how this is a terrorist attack? I'm really confused because people are misconstruing terror/terrorist/political attack. None of this makes sense. This man has not proven he wants to push a political agenda by force, he just wanted to murder, he had no cause. You can't say he's pushing "whitism" or "nationalism" because he wasn't, I didn't hear about it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;52382401]I don't understand how this is a terrorist attack? I'm really confused because people are misconstruing terror/terrorist/political attack. None of this makes sense. This man has not proven he wants to push a political agenda by force, he just wanted to murder, he had no cause. You can't say he's pushing "whitism" or "nationalism" because he wasn't, I didn't hear about it.[/QUOTE] it wasn't just some random murder though, he drove 150 miles to specifically target that mosque and the people inside it, because of their beliefs.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;52382430]it wasn't just some random murder though, he drove 150 miles to specifically target that mosque and the people inside it, because of their beliefs.[/QUOTE] That's generally called a hate crime, not a terrorist attack.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;52382430]it wasn't just some random murder though, he drove 150 miles to specifically target that mosque and the people inside it, because of their beliefs.[/QUOTE] he himself was not pushing an agenda. that's not what I understand terrorism to be. you cannot make this one man in the same realm as the IRA or Hezbollah. for it to be terrorism, it must fill a proper criteria with a bigger political agenda. The previous attacks, were made on behalf of the ISIS ideology that intends to clearly push a wide agenda. That is terrorism. [editline]21st June 2017[/editline] I don't see why there is such a big deal about using the word "terrorism" or "terror attack" either. People get so funny about how it's worded and end up using the totally wrong words and call every murder a terrorist attack. [editline]21st June 2017[/editline] and the consequence of using incorrect words will end up making the general public confused and on these forums banned. it's beyond a joke.
Saw someone post saying that "were fighting back". As if this would accomplish anything but more retaliation.
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;52387638]Saw someone post saying that "were fighting back". As if this would accomplish anything but more retaliation.[/QUOTE] Not that I'm supporting that comment, but sitting back and lighting candles isn't accomplishing anything either. A solution is needed, that's what people want
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52393074]Not that I'm supporting that comment, but sitting back and lighting candles isn't accomplishing anything either. A solution is needed, that's what people want[/QUOTE] Well then lets do the opposite of what ISIS wants? They are committing these attacks to drive a wedge between all muslims and native europeans, so then more muslims will feel alienated and look for someone who will accept them. The solution is to make it clear that it's not muslims versus europeans but it actually is muslim extremists versus everyone else (muslim moderates included). However two things stand in the way of this. You'd need christians willing to stand united with european muslims and you'd need european muslim communities and mosques to actively clear itself of any extremist elements which they understandably are afraid to do. And you'd need a media campaign about this, which in my opinion is long overdue. Also, another thing standing in the way is the mentality that if you want to work with moderate muslims on a unified front against extremists, that is somehow blaming moderates and demanding apology for terrorism from them or something like that.
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