• British kayaker Emma Kelty 'murdered' on Amazon trip
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[t]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/985F/production/_97870093_mediaitem97870092.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]Three people have been arrested following the death of a British woman who disappeared while kayaking up the Amazon, police in Brazil have said. Emma Kelty, 43, of London, went missing last week. Her body has not been found. While drug traffickers and pirates operate in the region, police say she had been robbed, with one of the suspects claiming she was shot twice. Ms Kelty's family said they were extremely proud of her and "her strength would be sorely missed". The Foreign Office said earlier it was "supporting the family of a British woman following her death in Brazil". Ms Kelty disappeared in the upper stretches of the Amazon in northern Brazil, often referred to as the Solimoes River - an area known for pirate attacks and drug traffickers. Some of her belongings, including her kayak, were found by the Brazilian navy on Friday, according to police chief Ivo Martins. According to the chief of the Amazonas state police, the robbers had attempted to sell Ms Kelty's two mobile phones, GoPro camera and a tablet computer. Frederico Mendes told BBC Brasil he suspected the Briton had been killed because she had been seen by local people the day before. Ms Kelty was 42 days into a 4,000-mile trip along the Amazon river from its source to the Atlantic Ocean and had been documenting her trip on Twitter. Ms Kelty's brothers Piers and Giles and sister Natasha said in a statement: "Emma was an active and determined sister who challenged herself, latterly through her adventures on the Pacific Coast Trail, as well as in the South Pole and Amazon River. "In a world that is today a much smaller place, the explorer in our sister found herself seeking ways to prove that challenges were achievable. "We wish to give our immense thanks to the Brazilian navy, police and Foreign Office for their action and support."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41321514[/url] Her last few tweets: [t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253369090582773761/360884650484301825/unknown.png[/t] Her very last tweet: [media]https://twitter.com/Emt101s/status/907951789084954626[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/Emt101s/status/907001717182607360[/media] 2 days before she was murdered and her boat was stolen A villager who knows a suspect involved claimed she was raped and tortured before dying: [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/21/canoeist-emma-kelty-raped-tortured-bungling-attackers-set-sos/[/url]
So the robbers are caught then? Will Brazil give them life in prison?
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;52708487]So the robbers are caught then? Will Brazil give them life in prison?[/QUOTE] One of them has already died in a gunfight with a rival gang [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/20/ringleader-pirate-gang-killed-british-adventurer-shot-dead-gun/[/url] Another 3 were arrested, police are still looking for the 3 others
There are some places on Earth you shouldnt visit unless you perfectly speak the language spoken there and know the political/social background so you know to handle yourself. Amazonas, with so much bad shit happening, is one of those places. A similar place for foreigners in my country is the northern part of the country (Salta, Formosa, Chaco, Misiones). Isolated towns, rampant poverty, a lot of social anger repressed and not very fond of anyone who is not a local.
There are simply some places in the world where a human life is worth far less than the belongings they carry around on them. While I commend this woman for understanding the risks involved in such a journey, it was always something to be aware of, that unfortunately happened to her. This is why you always try to travel with paid protection or local help in those parts of the world, to avoid such problems. In those situations, might makes right, and if you can't defend yourself from gangsters you're going to be in for a very bad time.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52708538]There are some places on Earth you shouldnt visit unless you have a death wish[/QUOTE] fixed
There are some places in the world I wouldn't want to ever visit unless followed by a well armed escort. Most of South America is one of them
There are some places you shouldn't visit, period. Because they are drug infested backwards hellholes. But some people see pretty trees and a blue sky and they think it's fine. Do at own risk.
South America in general is an unsafe shithole for tourists.
Much as I'd love to see the Amazon, I've seen enough from Liveleak and other sources to know that as far as South American countries go, Brazil is pure cancer. When you aren't dealing with gangs and serial criminals committing murders, rapes, thefts, etc., then you're dealing with terrible infrastructure and slums, pollution, extreme poverty, and freak accidents caused by these conditions that seem to occur on an hourly basis. Like statistically, it's one of the most dangerous countries in the world. They had [b]more than 50,000 murders in 2015 alone[/b]. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Brazil[/url] Just don't go there.
I know many more free spirited travelers will rebut with saying that bad stuff happen everywhere, but bad stuff happens more often in some places. Hell, if you want to prove a point by going into the slums or favelas go ahead, but don't blame anyone if you get attacked or end up dead because you knew the risks in the first place. Same goes for traveling in war torn areas, unless you're a journalist, then you shouldn't be going to these places.
it's a shame we're essentially blocked from some of the most beautiful areas of the world not because of natural dangers, but because of man himself
God there's a lot of people here who sound like they've never left the country they were born in, whos idea of a holiday is sitting on a beach in the Caribbean sipping cocktails. You're not going to get kidnapped the instant you step off the plane in medellin lol
One the biggest things she did wrong was NOT listen to the locals. If the local people who live in the Amazon tell you not to go through there and tell you exactly what could happen, then heed their warnings. They clearly don't live in those areas or even venture towards them for a reason
[QUOTE=Darth_Kris;52708608]There are some places in the world I wouldn't want to ever visit unless followed by a well armed escort. Most of South America is one of them[/QUOTE] fuck that man even some drug cartels are equipped enough to send a local pmc running with piss down running down their legs.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;52709760]God there's a lot of people here who sound like they've never left the country they were born in, whos idea of a holiday is sitting on a beach in the Caribbean sipping cocktails. You're not going to get kidnapped the instant you step off the plane in medellin lol[/QUOTE] No but theres a significantly higher possibility of getting horrifically murdered in a number of Central and South American countries compared to where i am. Like, Mexico seems like a really cool place with a rich culture and i'd like to visit sometime, but the whole organized crime elements having on multiple occasions fired rockets at military helicopters and horrifically murdered and maimed people, leaving their mutilated corpses lying around highways and schools, is kind of off putting. Just a little bit.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;52709760]God there's a lot of people here who sound like they've never left the country they were born in, whos idea of a holiday is sitting on a beach in the Caribbean sipping cocktails. You're not going to get kidnapped the instant you step off the plane in medellin lol[/QUOTE] You have a higher chance of getting murdered in central and south america than an actual war zone like iraq.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;52709926]No but theres a significantly higher possibility of getting horrifically murdered in a number of Central and South American countries compared to where i am. Like, Mexico seems like a really cool place with a rich culture and i'd like to visit sometime, but the whole organized crime elements having on multiple occasions fired rockets at military helicopters and horrifically murdered and maimed people, leaving their mutilated corpses lying around highways and schools, is kind of off putting. Just a little bit.[/QUOTE] Mexico is a big country. You have places like Juárez where the murder rate is among the highest in the world and then you have Playa del Carmen which is much more relaxed. Many people travel to south america every year and go back home safe. All you have to do is to take certain precautions like reading about the places you're going to and understanding where you shouldn't go, learning some spanish etc. This reduces your chances of getting into trouble significantly
Its sounds like the area she was in is fairly notorious for not being a place a tourist should go to, especially not solo and carrying a load of valuable gear.
This world is such a shitty place, sometimes. A woman just trying to live life and push herself, and she ends up dead because there are assholes who want nothing more than to get what they want at the expense of others. It's such a shame, I wish she had a travel group or something, especially in such a dangerous part of the world. I wish this news story read "British kayaker robbed and left stranded" rather than what it currently reads. Why torture and kill her, just take her stuff and leave her be. Absolute scum of the earth.
[QUOTE=aydin690;52709976]You have a higher chance of getting murdered in central and south america than an actual war zone like iraq.[/QUOTE] You have a high chance of being murdered if you're fucking retarded most places in the world. [editline]24th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;52709926]No but theres a significantly higher possibility of getting horrifically murdered in a number of Central and South American countries compared to where i am. Like, Mexico seems like a really cool place with a rich culture and i'd like to visit sometime, but the whole organized crime elements having on multiple occasions fired rockets at military helicopters and horrifically murdered and maimed people, leaving their mutilated corpses lying around highways and schools, is kind of off putting. Just a little bit.[/QUOTE] Dude. You are not going to get fucking murdered, chopped up and left beside a highway on a two week holiday to fucking Mexico city. Just fucking go. You know who that tends to happen to the most? Locals. You a local? Nope. No worries. [editline]24th September 2017[/editline] You guys watch waaaaaaaaaay too much American network TV. Guess what? You could get mugged and killed tomorrow night! I'd feel less safe at night in a lot of places in the united states than i've felt in somewhere like Hanoi. It's about calculating risks. Going to Peru isn't that big of a risk. Wandering around alone in a place that even the locals avoid is fucking stupid. You already do this all the fucking time. You'd avoid a part of your town at night because it's dangerous. When you get into a new city, look up shit and find out maybe west side chicago isn't the best place to wander around at night. Don't carry your fucking $1k camera on a spaghetti string around your neck while walking around central paris. It's so fucking weird to me seeing you guys lose your shit about this.
[QUOTE=Govna;52708731]Much as I'd love to see the Amazon, I've seen enough from Liveleak and other sources to know that as far as South American countries go, Brazil is pure cancer. When you aren't dealing with gangs and serial criminals committing murders, rapes, thefts, etc., then you're dealing with terrible infrastructure and slums, pollution, extreme poverty, and freak accidents caused by these conditions that seem to occur on an hourly basis. Like statistically, it's one of the most dangerous countries in the world. They had [b]more than 50,000 murders in 2015 alone[/b]. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Brazil[/url] Just don't go there.[/QUOTE] i wonder if a serial killer in Brazil has ever unknowingly murdered another serial killer
[QUOTE=The Aussie;52710465]west side chicago isn't the best place to wander around at night. Don't carry your fucking $1k camera on a spaghetti string around your neck while walking around central paris. It's so fucking weird to me seeing you guys lose your shit about this.[/QUOTE] Dude. You are not going to get fucking murdered, chopped up and left beside a highway on a two week holiday to fucking Chicago city. Just fucking go. You know who that tends to happen to the most? Locals. You a local? Nope. No worries.
[QUOTE=Govna;52708731]Much as I'd love to see the Amazon, I've seen enough from Liveleak and other sources to think i know that as far as South American countries go, Brazil is probably pure cancer. When you aren't dealing with gangs and serial criminals committing murders, rapes, thefts, not saying grace before eating, not going to church on sundays, etc., then you're surprisingly dealing with terrible infrastructure and slums, pollution, extreme poverty, and freak accidents that have likely killed all the inhabitants of brazil since i started typing this comment, these conditions seem to occur on an hourly basis, as i have never been to this country and have based all my opinions off fear after seeing nothing but the worst of a potentially breathtaking country . Like, seriously, statistically, it's like literally one of the most dangerous countries in the world you guys, i'm telling you They had [b]more than 6.5 million tourists in 2015 alone[/b]. [b]The overwhelming majority were not murdered[/b] Go there.[/QUOTE] You know what has an even high murder rate than Brazil? The US Virgin islands! Can't visit there, the USVI is too fucked up. Like, statistically, it's more dangerous than Brazil. I haven't actually been to this place but i saw some videos and shit of the place and it looks like a hellhole. There was debris and shit everywhere and like, destroyed powerlines and loads of water everywhere for some reason. Like it literally has a murder rate twice that of Brazil. It's just too dangerous to travel to the US. Instead, let's go to a nice safe country with a homicide rate lower than that of the US, like Burkina Faso, Iran, or Liberia. Yeah, you know Liberia? Hell, D.C. has a higher murder rate than South Sudan, DRC, CAR, Nigeria or Chad. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]Source[/url].
[QUOTE=The Aussie;52710685]You know what has an even high murder rate than Brazil? The US Virgin islands! Can't visit there, the USVI is too fucked up. Like, statistically, it's more dangerous than Brazil. I haven't actually been to this place but i saw some videos and shit of the place and it looks like a hellhole. There was debris and shit everywhere and like, destroyed powerlines and loads of water everywhere for some reason. Like it literally has a murder rate twice that of Brazil. It's just too dangerous to travel to the US. Instead, let's go to a nice safe country with a homicide rate lower than that of the US, like Burkina Faso, Iran, or Liberia. Yeah, you know Liberia? Hell, D.C. has a higher murder rate than South Sudan, DRC, CAR, Nigeria or Chad. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate]Source[/url].[/QUOTE] you seem like you have an axe to grind mr.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;52710685]You know what has an even high murder rate than Brazil? The US Virgin islands! Can't visit there, the USVI is too fucked up. Like, statistically, it's more dangerous than Brazil. I haven't actually been to this place but i saw some videos and shit of the place and it looks like a hellhole. There was debris and shit everywhere and like, destroyed powerlines and loads of water everywhere for some reason. Like it literally has a murder rate twice that of Brazil. It's just too dangerous to travel to the US. Instead, let's go to a nice safe country with a homicide rate lower than that of the US, like Burkina Faso, Iran, or Liberia. Yeah, you know Liberia? Hell, D.C. has a higher murder rate than South Sudan, DRC, CAR, Nigeria or Chad. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate"]Source[/URL].[/QUOTE] United States: 4.8 Brazil: 26.8 Thanks for proving our point I guess?
[QUOTE=Viper_;52710667]Dude. You are not going to get fucking murdered, chopped up and left beside a highway on a two week holiday to fucking Chicago city. Just fucking go. You know who that tends to happen to the most? Locals. You a local? Nope. No worries.[/QUOTE] That literally reinforced his point since a lot of of Chicago is great lol. It's simply a matter of knowing where the dangerous spots and behaviors of a country are, and then avoiding them. The overwhelming majority of people who go to brazil and the amazon come out fine, and one big mistake this person made was not heeding locals warnings. Statistically you're overwhelmingly more likely to die driving to work/school than from just visiting these countries for a few weeks lol.
People laugh at me when I trust and respect native superstition. Seems like a lot of bollocks to us Civilized White Folk but if they tell you somewhere is dangerous or cursed it's probably because they've had their little pygmy children gobbled up by something mean that lurks there. Or killed by a big man with a special gun.
[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52711542]People laugh at me when I trust and respect native superstition. Seems like a lot of bollocks to us Civilized White Folk but if they tell you somewhere is dangerous or cursed it's probably because they've had their little pygmy children gobbled up by something mean that lurks there. Or killed by a big man with a special gun.[/QUOTE] I mean, "dangerous because a Goblin eats children there" and "dangerous because pirates and the cartel operate there" are very different things.
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