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[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52707264]OR perhaps the devices are like 10-17 years old? Age can be a factor. I know I said "stand the test of time" not "they last forever"[/QUOTE] No, this is a known problem with the cheapest capacitors at the time as they all lasted about 10% - 20% of their intended lifetime. Look up the capacitor plague wikipedia article. This problem was a side effect of some employee stealing an electrolyte formula that was not complete and selling it to cheap brands. This could have easily been avoided by Apple by not using the absolute cheapest passives they could find at the time and I wouldn't be too surprised if they still do. There were plenty of good, albeit slightly more expensive capacitor options available at the time that would have completely avoided this.
It's possible Apple cheaped out there, but I don't think Apple are still doing that, bare in mind that was a period of 10+ years ago, which is ages ago in terms of technology
I don't know for how much longer I'm going to be okay with owning an iphone.
Because of this news? Or for another reason?
The main reason why Apple stops providing software updates for their older devices is because it would slow them down to a crawl; they were already pushing it with devices like the iPhone 4S. Back when I updated my old Android to the new OS, it became downright unusable.
$1,500 for a fucking phone? Fuck off, I could buy a HTC Vive with that money. Personally I couldn't justify paying any more than $300 for a phone, and even that's pushing it
I mean the X is out in one month why would dedicated apple fans even bother with the 8 when they can wait a month
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52707285]The brand new iMac has a socketed CPU and SODIMM RAM, surprisingly. It's fucking hard to open, but that's one of the few that CAN be upgraded.[/QUOTE] Isn't it glued? I remember something about them being glued. Which brings up my "favorite" pet peeve: Why the fuck would anyone glue a stationary device when adding 3 more millimeters means it'll be possible to open it with a single Philips screwdriver of the correct size and all the screws has the same length and diameter?
[QUOTE=PortalModIV;52707364]$1,500 for a fucking phone? Fuck off, I could buy a HTC Vive with that money. Personally I couldn't justify paying any more than $300 for a phone, and even that's pushing it[/QUOTE] That's true, I don't know about you but I use my phone all the time though - more so than what I would a HTC vive. Probably effectively more than my laptop and my workstation combined. The x is their premium product where as the 8 and 8+ are comparable to any other flagship smartphone out there
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52707340]Because of this news? Or for another reason?[/QUOTE] The phones themselves are okay, but generally speaking I'd rather not contribute to a company that holds the mantra [B]"give the people what [I]we[/I] want"[/B] as opposed to [B]"give the people what [I]they[/I] want"[/B]. It's been like this for a while now with the iphone and yes while they are decent phones, there are lots of other brilliant manufacturers out there. This news is pretty much a result of people who are like me feeling the same way. Consumers vote with their wallets.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52707525]The phones themselves are okay, but generally speaking I'd rather not contribute to a company that holds the mantra [B]"give the people what [I]we[/I] want"[/B] as opposed to [B]"give the people what [I]they[/I] want"[/B]. It's been like this for a while now with the iphone and yes while they are decent phones, there are lots of other brilliant manufacturers out there. This news is pretty much a result of people who are like me feeling the same way. Consumers vote with their wallets.[/QUOTE] I can almost promise you that the iphone x release will be equivalent or even worse than previous iphone releases - people just find the 8 less interesting (I went with a regular 8 now on my contract). In november, people will be queueing for weeks instead of days
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52707525]It's been like this for a while now with the iphone and yes while they are decent phones, there are lots of other brilliant manufacturers out there.[/QUOTE] At the end of the day it comes down to whether you want Android or iOS. If you don't mind, then you're probably going to be swayed more to Android given there's more diversity, plus you have more freedom with the phone. iOS has its own advantages, it's whatever's best for you
I don't know, I hate apple's business model as much as the next guy, but I've used the same phone and laptop for 4 or 5 years. I don't think I have any friends or family that have had an HP, Lenovo or Asus laptop for more than 3. I know it's anecdotal, but my mac laptop and iphone 5 seems to run as good as when I got it without ever having to reformat it or update in the last 3 years. Hell, my first macbook from 10 years ago got run over by a car and I can still plug that thing into an external monitor and keyboard and it still works, so they are built well. (But yea they are expensive as hell and you are much more limited in what you can do with your phone)
[QUOTE=defy;52707691]I don't know, I hate apple's business model as much as the next guy, but I've used the same phone and laptop for 4 or 5 years. I don't think I have any friends or family that have had an HP, Lenovo or Asus laptop for more than 3. I know it's anecdotal, but my mac laptop and iphone 5 seems to run as good as when I got it without ever having to reformat it or update in the last 3 years. Hell, my first macbook from 10 years ago got run over by a car and I can still plug that thing into an external monitor and keyboard and it still works, so they are built well. (But yea they are expensive as hell and you are much more limited in what you can do with your phone)[/QUOTE] Completely the opposite anecdotal experience here. Friends macbooks have fallen apart, "superdrives" have mangled school discs, an imac mysteriously lost a massive portion of its harddrive after being safely shut down and moved to another room, etc etc. Conversely pretty much every laptop I've owned has handled an astounding amount of abuse. I put a lot of stress on my computers and travel with them a lot and none of them have ever failed before the 6 year marker. One of my Asus laptops actually got yanked flying off a table and clattered across a floor the year I got it but it survived that with minor damage on the hinge and lasted to 7 years. I've never seen any statistics that confirm anything other than apple just being "pretty good". They market themselves hard as the expensive quality option but they're not really all that special
[QUOTE=Elspin;52707735]Friends macbooks have fallen apart, "superdrives" have mangled school discs[/QUOTE] Hard to take these as to valid points. What does "fallen apart" mean, and how do we know your friend didn't drop it or spill something on it? And superdrives aren't a thing anymore, aside from the external ones which I don't think anyone buys
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52707832]Hard to take these as to valid points. What does "fallen apart" mean, and how do we know your friend didn't drop it or spill something on it? And superdrives aren't a thing anymore, aside from the external ones which I don't think anyone buys[/QUOTE] Obviously the superdrive thing was a while ago, we're talking about lifespans of many years so it kinda has to take place over a lot of product cycles. I'm not sure how old the laptop was, but that was probably about 2010 or so? By "fallen apart" I mean failure of internal components ofc, not that being unable to stand up to external abuse is a good sign. Either way if you want to believe one random user on the internet who echoes your own biases and not one that doesn't, that's fine by me, but it's obviously ridiculous.
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52707043]How did Find My iPhone stop working? I wasn't aware it stopped working on other devices, but since the app is tied into the OS it would stop working eventually. That doesn't mean to say you can't download another tracking app, though, so it's not really a good argument[/QUOTE] I think it pop'd a "Couldn't install on this iOS version" or something similar. This was a year or two ago I can't really remember. I payed a lot of money to get it, I didn't expect to gradually get less and less features as I use it. To me this was a clear scheme to force me to buy a newer model, didn't work, nice try Apple. Also downloading another 3rd party tracking app works but I doubt it would function as good as their stock app worked, I couldn't even let a 3rd party alarm clock to play a non-default ringtone on it unless I either I left the app open all night or jailbroke it.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52706841]This is all part of their really really stupid plans to get us to start paying 500-700 for phones. Basically, by making the $200-400 dollar phone boring, and the $700 phone interesting and appealing, you make people spending a lot for their phone the norm. Which obviously won't happen, cause people wont spend that much on a phone. Clearly.[/QUOTE] I'm almost completely certain that iPhone has always started at $649 for the base model since they started selling unlocked phones with the iPhone 4(?). Carrier subsidies made it a lot cheaper to get one though. Nothing has really changed with iPhone pricing, other than the fact that they've introduced more expensive models above the base model like the Plus and X. Should the base model be cheaper? Yes, but it's not like they're setting a new precedent. You can still spend $649 and get the newest iPhone unlocked like you have been able to since the iPhone 4 was the newest iPhone.
[QUOTE=gtanoofa;52706861]I mean the iphone x is attractive to consumers, but not 1k+ attractive. How much is it gonna cost in AUD anyway?[/QUOTE] $1,830. [editline]23rd September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=gtanoofa;52707111]Jesus Christ. Do you have contracts like in the United States where you get the next iPhone for free? So far most people who keep up to date with the latest models seem to be these kinds of folks, haha.[/QUOTE] No, contracts only subsidise some of the cost and depending on the phone you still have to pay extra. For example, an iPhone 8 on contract with Telstra starts at a minimum $60/month plan with an extra $30/month phone fee.
[QUOTE=Elspin;52707873]Obviously the superdrive thing was a while ago, we're talking about lifespans of many years so it kinda has to take place over a lot of product cycles. I'm not sure how old the laptop was, but that was probably about 2010 or so? By "fallen apart" I mean failure of internal components ofc, not that being unable to stand up to external abuse is a good sign. Either way if you want to believe one random user on the internet who echoes your own biases and not one that doesn't, that's fine by me, but it's obviously ridiculous.[/QUOTE] It depends on the level of external abuse, laptops with hard disk drives and not solid state, are always at risk of hard drive failure when the device is dropped. CD drives have their own number of issues which occur over time, and that's one of the reasons new Macs don't have them. I don't really know who to believe, I just know that I know people that own Macs and that they've lasted at least more than 5 years
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52707970]It depends on the level of external abuse, laptops with hard disk drives and not solid state, are always at risk of hard drive failure when the device is dropped. CD drives have their own number of issues which occur over time, and that's one of the reasons new Macs don't have them. I don't really know who to believe, I just know that I know people that own Macs and that they've lasted at least more than 5 years[/QUOTE] According to Amazon, the laptop I'm typing on currently (ASUS G75VX-RH71-CA) was obtained in August of 2013. It's travelled by airplane over 30 times, been dropped probably 5 or 6 times, it's been transported daily for years, it's survived intensive demos inside a [i]concrete plant[/i] several times where the air is so thick with concrete dust you'll turn grey just by walking through it, and all of this with a CD drive that still works and a hard drive. It's not my main laptop anymore due to the performance just being outdated but I still use it daily for work (engineering, which is why I was in a concrete plant) and it's still running great. To be clear, my point is not that "apple computers are shit" - I seem to recall my wording being "pretty good". It's just that the idea that anything apple produces is the pinnacle of build quality and reliability is a myth resulting from particularly good marketing, and any statistics I've ever seen have refuted that rather than confirmed it.
I definitely don't think they're the pinnacle of build quality, just pretty good like you said. Either way, no matter what brand you talk of, you're always going to get people who have had problems with them. It's best to try things out for yourself and if you find a certain brand to generally work better than others, then stick with that
[QUOTE=download;52706821]I can't wait for apple products to do a 1990s and die off again.[/QUOTE] Their business is propped up by government contracts and teenage/college girls
My 3GS was absurdly tough but the iPhones I got after that didn't feel as resilient. I'm constantly worried about dropping my 6. I would probably not be using these if I didn't get them free through work. I would rather get something ruggedized like the CAT S60.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52708364]My 3GS was absurdly tough but the iPhones I got after that didn't feel as resilient. I'm constantly worried about dropping my 6. I would probably not be using these if I didn't get them free through work. I would rather get something ruggedized like the CAT S60.[/QUOTE] This isn't just a problem with Apple smartphones, that's a problem with most modern smartphones. I see people with cracked Samsungs, cracked HTCs, cracked iPhones, but they could be made to be a lot more resilient
[QUOTE=The golden;52706927]They also withhold the information, tooling, and software needed to do repairs. Apple replaces entire major components or even entire products instead of doing the needed repairs - and then passing on this additional cost to the customer whenever possible.[/QUOTE] I doubt many others do board repairs on the component level.
[QUOTE=Elspin;52707735]Completely the opposite anecdotal experience here. Friends macbooks have fallen apart, "superdrives" have mangled school discs, an imac mysteriously lost a massive portion of its harddrive after being safely shut down and moved to another room, etc etc. Conversely pretty much every laptop I've owned has handled an astounding amount of abuse. I put a lot of stress on my computers and travel with them a lot and none of them have ever failed before the 6 year marker. One of my Asus laptops actually got yanked flying off a table and clattered across a floor the year I got it but it survived that with minor damage on the hinge and lasted to 7 years. I've never seen any statistics that confirm anything other than apple just being "pretty good". They market themselves hard as the expensive quality option but they're not really all that special[/QUOTE]I've still got a budget Compaq laptop from 2008 that works just fine (Presario A900, specifically).
lmao its 2 grand over here in NZ You can get a car for that much.
I switched to Android with a Pixel last year and I haven't looked back since.
I have an iPhone 5 on some version of ios 10 but it's getting to the point where any more updates will slow the phone down by a bit.
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