• A professor called students ‘future dead cops.’ Now he’s suspended.
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[quote]A New York professor drew ire from City University administrators and law enforcement officials because of a tweet in which he said teaching “future dead cops” is “a privilege.” Michael Isaacson, an adjunct professor at CUNY’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, was placed on administrative leave because of the three-week-old tweet, which appears to have recently caught the attention of the college’s president and New York City’s largest police union. In a tweet on Aug. 23, Isaacson, who teaches economics, said: “Some of ya’ll might think it sucks being an anti-fascist teaching at John Jay College but I think it’s a privilege to teach future dead cops.” In a statement Friday, John Jay College President Karol V. Mason called Isaacson’s comments “abhorrent” and the “antithesis” of an academic institution that trains future law enforcement. While she said that professors have a right to free speech and academic freedom, “expressions of hate or intimidation are not welcome in that civil discourse.” “This adjunct expressed personal views that are not consistent with our college’s well known and firm values and principles and my own personal standards and principles. I am appalled that anyone associated with John Jay, with our proud history of supporting law enforcement authorities, would suggest that violence against police is ever acceptable,” Mason said. Mason added that faculty members and students have been threatened as a result of the tweet, and Isaacson was placed on administrative leave for safety reasons. In an email to The Washington Post, Isaacson, an anti-fascist activist, said he “unequivocally” supports the college’s decision “in the interest of public safety,” and he apologizes to faculty members and his students for placing them at risk. “I am saddened that I cannot continue to teach my students, but I value their safety and the safety of the John Jay community above all else,” he said, adding later: “My [principal] regret is that I put people at risk who did not assume that risk voluntarily.” The decision to place Isaacson on administrative leave was announced on the same day that the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association of the City of New York, a union that represents 50,000 active and retired police officers, called for Isaacson’s firing.[/quote] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/09/16/professor-at-criminal-justice-college-placed-on-leave-for-calling-students-future-dead-cops/[/url] [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/15/michael-isaacson-john-jay-college-professor-outrag/[/url] Original tweet [media]https://twitter.com/VulgarEconomics/status/900400186752716800[/media] Recent Tucker Carlson view Isaacson was in and probably resulted in the Police Union finding his tweets. [media]https://youtu.be/C4WbYlO1eXI[/media] Would seem to be quite the interesting economics professor to have. [media]https://twitter.com/VulgarEconomics/status/908545948954935296[/media]
Nice hairdo. And nice neck.
It is sad how far we have strayed from the philosophical roots of our society. I can't believe even police academies are rejecting the original concept of free speech.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689455]It is sad how far we have strayed from the philosophical roots of our society. I can't believe even police academies are rejecting the original concept of free speech.[/QUOTE] Free Speech doesn't protect you from the social ramifications of getting fired from your job. Especially when you are an educator making statements like this, [media]https://twitter.com/VulgarEconomics/status/908202787833511936[/media] Or referring to your students as "future dead cops".
[quote]“My [principal] regret is that I put people at risk who did not assume that risk voluntarily.”[/quote] he's not sorry for being a shithead, he's sorry that the students and faculty feel threatened.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52689471]Free Speech doesn't protect you from the social ramifications of getting fired from your job. Especially when you are an educator making statements like this, Or referring to your students as "future dead cops".[/QUOTE] I see it doesnt, that is why I said that it is sad how far society has strayed. The society that prescribes the social ramifications. How insecure are you in your ideas and in the police academy students so that you support shutting down speech with social abuse and economic deprivation? If his opinions are so bad, give him a megaphone. Offer him a place in the free market of ideas. This is how you defeat bad opinions.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689505]I see it doesnt, that is why I said that it is sad how far society has strayed. The society that prescribes the social ramifications. How insecure are you in your ideas and in the police academy students so that you support shutting down speech with social abuse and economic deprivation? If his opinions are so bad, give him a megaphone. Offer him a place in the free market of ideas. This is how you defeat bad opinions.[/QUOTE] Yah, I think the free market of ideas adequately rejected it already. Also social abuse? I think it is fair to say calling your students "future dead cops" is where this social abuse started. Besides he can still continue to excercise his speech. I think you should understand that at any job you can't make statements that directly antagonize your relationship to the work or institution without consequences. In this case, they don't have to keep you.
[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;52689442]Nice hairdo. And nice neck.[/QUOTE] and these things matter how?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52689511]Yah, I think the free market of ideas adequately rejected it already. Also social abuse? I think it is fair to say calling your students "future dead cops" is where this social abuse started. Besides he can still continue to excercise his speech. I think you should understand that at any job you can't make statements that directly antagonize your relationship to the work or institution without consequences. They don't have to keep you.[/QUOTE] That isnt up to you to decide. That is up to every single individual, to think for themselves. As long as there is one individual that doesnt reject these ideas, you cant shut them down. That is why you can never shut any idea down. This is essentially what free speech is. Mean words are nothing compared to shutting down of speech in terms of abuse. The future cops are arguably the most hurt by this state of affairs. The teacher may get a new job, but the policemen are deprived of a point of view, a perspective that they could have learned from, but won't. The suspension of the teacher limits their exposure to the market, and limited exposure to the market is essentially how extremist ideas such as gulags and anti-police stances rises.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689521]The future cops are arguably the most hurt by this state of affairs. The teacher may get a new job, but the policemen are deprived of a point of view, a perspective that they could have learned from, but won't. The suspension of the teacher limits their exposure to the market, and limited exposure to the market is essentially how extremist ideas such as gulags and anti-police stances rises.[/QUOTE] He taught economics. Theres nothing of value lost here.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689455]It is sad how far we have strayed from the philosophical roots of our society. I can't believe even police academies are rejecting the original concept of free speech.[/QUOTE] It is an amendment right Free speech protects you from getting prosecuted by the government. It doesnt protect you from other people's judgement. Amendments were always about limiting governments boundaries. It doesnt mean that it must be universal for everyone in the US, dont be ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689521]That isnt up to you to decide. That is up to every single individual, to think for themselves. As long as there is one individual that doesnt reject these ideas, you cant shut them down. That is why you can never shut any idea down. This is essentially what free speech is. Mean words are nothing compared to shutting down of speech in terms of abuse. The future cops are arguably the most hurt by this state of affairs. The teacher may get a new job, but the policemen are deprived of a point of view, a perspective that they could have learned from, but won't. The suspension of the teacher limits their exposure to the market, and limited exposure to the market is essentially how extremist ideas such as gulags and anti-police stances rises.[/QUOTE] Again his speech is not limited in anyway. He can put out his message and ideas publicaly all he wants. He probably just doesn't have a job at a police academy anymore. How many jobs can you go walk into, and directly antagonize the institution and patrons of it? Maybe if he was tenured, but in most situations you get fired.
What goes through what passes for a brain with these people that makes them think it's a good idea to publicly say shit like this? [editline]17th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689521] The future cops are arguably the most hurt by this state of affairs. The teacher may get a new job, but the policemen are deprived of a point of view, a perspective that they could have learned from, but won't. The suspension of the teacher limits their exposure to the market, and limited exposure to the market is essentially how extremist ideas such as gulags and anti-police stances rises.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they're so hurt by not having a teacher who doesn't respect them. This is a retarded viewpoint to take, seriously.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689521]That isnt up to you to decide. That is up to every single individual, to think for themselves. As long as there is one individual that doesnt reject these ideas, you cant shut them down. That is why you can never shut any idea down. This is essentially what free speech is. Mean words are nothing compared to shutting down of speech in terms of abuse. The future cops are arguably the most hurt by this state of affairs. The teacher may get a new job, but the policemen are deprived of a point of view, a perspective that they could have learned from, but won't. The suspension of the teacher limits their exposure to the market, and limited exposure to the market is essentially how extremist ideas such as gulags and anti-police stances rises.[/QUOTE] he's a fucking anarcho communist taking delight in the fact that his police academy students will die what the fuck do you want a KKK member to teach black history for an "opposing view" too?
[quote]I am an Anarcho-Communist now. I was a libertarian as a [b]shitty teenager[/b][/quote]Still acts like one, though.
I like how he's an anarcho-communist who teaches economics. Its like he didn't pay attention at all during his studies. Good on the employer for firing him, seems like he's a tool.
Trebgarta is taking the piss out of people who scream "FREE SPEECH" in topics about universities not allowing hateful people like Milo to speak His argument in this topic pretty much is identical to the person he's arguing against in this topic: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1578886[/url]
[QUOTE=Hugg;52689519]and these things matter how?[/QUOTE] well he's handsome
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52689920]Trebgarta is taking the piss out of people who scream "FREE SPEECH" in topics about universities not allowing hateful people like Milo to speak His argument in this topic pretty much is identical to the person he's arguing against in this topic: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1578886[/url][/QUOTE] if it's satire he's doing a damn terrible job at it
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52689920]Trebgarta is taking the piss out of people who scream "FREE SPEECH" in topics about universities not allowing hateful people like Milo to speak His argument in this topic pretty much is identical to the person he's arguing against in this topic: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1578886[/url][/QUOTE] Milo is actually different. A university doesn't have to invite him to talk. But if a university allows students to invite speakers they can't whitelist some and blacklist others or they're limiting the students speech. Note this really only applies to public universities. Fun fact the first amendment only talks about how Congress can't limit speech, but we've applied it to all government. One can easily argue the case in the OP isn't about speech but about competency as an educator. Pretty easy to fire someone for not fitting the role. [editline]17th September 2017[/editline] But yes I agree that Trebgarta is memeing / shitposting or whatever.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52689920]Trebgarta is taking the piss out of people who scream "FREE SPEECH" in topics about universities not allowing hateful people like Milo to speak His argument in this topic pretty much is identical to the person he's arguing against in this topic: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1578886[/url][/QUOTE] Either this is satire, or some elder-god tier shitposting [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52688135]We're straying from the philosophical roots of our society without understanding what we're doing, and actively rejecting those ideas in their own name. I can think of no greater danger.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689455]It is sad how far we have strayed from the philosophical roots of our society. I can't believe even police academies are rejecting the original concept of free speech.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52689920]Trebgarta is taking the piss out of people who scream "FREE SPEECH" in topics about universities not allowing hateful people like Milo to speak His argument in this topic pretty much is identical to the person he's arguing against in this topic: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1578886[/url][/QUOTE] Imagine how shit of a job he's doing then if we can't tell.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52690046]Imagine how shit of a job he's doing then if we can't tell.[/QUOTE] i could tell
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting etc etc
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52689920]Trebgarta is taking the piss out of people who scream "FREE SPEECH" in topics about universities not allowing hateful people like Milo to speak His argument in this topic pretty much is identical to the person he's arguing against in this topic: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1578886[/url][/QUOTE] Imagine equating not allowing someone to speak at a public event to firing a teacher because they want their students to die
Hell yeah, tell em' Mike Isaacson. [editline]17th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;52689818]I like how he's an anarcho-communist who teaches economics. Its like he didn't pay attention at all during his studies. Good on the employer for firing him, seems like he's a tool.[/QUOTE] I think it makes sense, in order to truly know whether or not you are an Anarcho-Communist wouldn't you want to have a complete understanding of the current economic climate?
Anyone else sick of Tucker Carlson's stupid face when he purposefully brings retarded people on his show???? [img]https://i.gyazo.com/cb581420fa6c4cef24045b3e3f0fe770.png[/img]
How is his neck so long holy shit
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52689455]It is sad how far we have strayed from the philosophical roots of our society. I can't believe even police academies are rejecting the original concept of free speech.[/QUOTE] I don't think you know what the original concept of America's free speech is if you're saying this is it.
[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;52690393] I think it makes sense, in order to truly know whether or not you are an Anarcho-Communist wouldn't you want to have a complete understanding of the current economic climate?[/QUOTE] The school he got his degree from and the journals he writes in pretty much have no standing in the economics community. I mean 2 of his 4 published papers are literally published in something called "The Review of Black Political Economy."
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