• Machinima refuses video-maker an escape from his contract: "You are with us forever."
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[QUOTE=Sonicdude;35884853]All depends on your traffic. I earn a comfy $50.00 USD a day off of just monitization which doesn't require a partnership.[/QUOTE] How the hell do you make $50 a day when your average video view is only around 3k or so Because last I checked the only people who actually made any money over a couple a bucks here and there a day were partners who generally roll in 10k-20k+ views for every video they post
[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;35893747]His channel isn't in a contract, he, as a human being is bound to it.[/QUOTE] No he's not. All Machinima does is take videos from that specific channel. He could easily make a new one without an issue.
[QUOTE=KorJax;35894886]How the hell do you make $50 a day when your average video view is only around 3k or so Because last I checked the only people who actually made any money over a couple a bucks here and there a day were partners who generally roll in 10k-20k+ views for every video they post[/QUOTE] Argue with Google, not me. This is a snapshot for today: [img]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6332/96468144.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ASimpleLemon;35894008]TGS all the way.[/QUOTE] Personally speaking, I'm with VidCast and the owner is a bro.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;35880185]free lawyers are notoriously shit. i guess he could do that but his chances of winning the case would be pretty low against the money machinima has having lengthy court proceedings that could possibly take many years still takes a financial toll on people anyway, especially when it's someone like a kid who makes youtube videos and probably doesn't have a high and/or steady income he doesn't have a case anyway. machinima haven't done anything illegal[/QUOTE] In a fairly large amount of cases in perpetuity contracts are seen as unethical and immoral and are often pronounced void and without merit. It's essentially why companies do add non compete clauses when you quit but these non compete clauses tend to be limited for a year or similar. On top of that, the bigger issue in the contract, is that it gives sole discretion to machinima to terminate the contract, but does not allow the other party any chance of terminating it at all. Overall I'd say that a contract like this wouldn't actually hold in front of a court. Of course the kid should have read the contract first before signing it. But from what I looked at the contract, it was penned by a first year law student who was told to make "a really fucking cool contract that gives us loads of power" because the thing is broken back and forth. In perpetuity account with single party discretion would go bonkers anywhere. [QUOTE=Meller Yeller;35895249]No he's not. All Machinima does is take videos from that specific channel. He could easily make a new one without an issue.[/QUOTE] Someone posted the contract and he can't. Essentially machinima first specifies the youtube accounts and then adds in any potential future accounts created and or used by the person in question. So the guy could potentially make an account on a different video site, but not on youtube. EDIT Of course there's multiple versions of the supposed contract floating around right now. Some people are saying there's a 1 year grace period. The one I read did not have this.
[QUOTE=Viidya;35881074][url]http://imgur.com/a/NLm5P#3[/url] The contract for anybody interested.[/QUOTE] Isn't the simple act of posting this breaching the contract? Is says it's not to be disclosed. Unless he wasn't the one who posted it. Life long contract sounds crazy. What if he wanted to change careers? I mean I'm really trying to make sesne of it all. It sounds almost unrealistic.
the only way to get out of this is to start fresh again and go under a pen name, username, and video style.
This is why you read things before signing up
[QUOTE=NO ONE;35895594]Isn't the simple act of posting this breaching the contract? Is says it's not to be disclosed. Unless he wasn't the one who posted it. Life long contract sounds crazy. What if he wanted to change careers? I mean I'm really trying to make sesne of it all. It sounds almost unrealistic.[/QUOTE] Hint: If an email adressed to you states "DONT POST THIS N PUBLIC :CCCCCC" it doesn't mean shit. [editline]10th May 2012[/editline] Ergo, if they sent that to someone who declined, he can post it wherever he wants, not to mention that a contract often can be opened to third parties anyway.
Dude you look quite young, where you over 18 when you signed that contact? if not then they cant enforce shit (source: Judge Judy)
[QUOTE=Viidya;35881074][url]http://imgur.com/a/NLm5P#3[/url] The contract for anybody interested.[/QUOTE] That doesn't sound like a good deal at all.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35899869]That doesn't sound like a good deal at all.[/QUOTE] They just highlight the text were you can make ~moneh~ and they will sign. My channel has been highlighted to be a YouTube partner for about 1 year already, think its not really worth it and i'm afraid that my vids are going to be deleted
He even admits he didn't read it properly in the video. Why are people blaming Machinima? They're a rubbish channel sure, but it's in no way their fault for him not reading it properly.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;35900113]He even admits he didn't read it properly in the video. Why are people blaming Machinima? They're a rubbish channel sure, but it's in no way their fault for him not reading it properly.[/QUOTE] No, people need to stop saying that illicit and plain illegal business tactics are "OK, because you could have just checked beforehand XDDDD"
It's impossible to sign your life away, such a contract would not hold up in court.
[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;35900468]It's impossible to sign your life away, such a contract would not hold up in court.[/QUOTE] I don't see what they can do about it anyways, he's in the UK, they're in the US. He doesn't have to show up in court in the US and I'm pretty sure they won't fly over to the UK over this.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35900476]I don't see what they can do about it anyways, he's in the UK, they're in the US. He doesn't have to show up in court in the US and I'm pretty sure they won't fly over to the UK over this.[/QUOTE] Just start doing things the contract doesn't allowed you to do, then they will have to start a lawsuit.
They wouldn't sue, they'd just cry to Youtube and they'll close or transfer any account machinima wants if they show them a scan or anything and done.
He should make shit videos until they drop him.
He is in England, they're in California. International cases aren't within Machinima's scope. He's either faking it or pretty dumb. I steal content from people all the time. They email me and depending on their level of politeness I remove/take it down. But if they start fucking with me, I just keep using it. I'm in Denmark, they're in America. International Copyright cases are out of most people's(and even organization's) scopes.
What a whiner. Why does he just make another youtube account with a different name and continue making videos. If he wants his viewers to move over he could easily make a video on machinima and mention that he "discovered" this new channel and to check it out. Easy loophole, eventually he could even manage to get money off youtube ads when they offer.
Obviously a View-Whore. Ignore him.
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;35906971]He is in England, they're in California. International cases aren't within Machinima's scope. He's either faking it or pretty dumb. I steal content from people all the time. They email me and depending on their level of politeness I remove/take it down. But if they start fucking with me, I just keep using it. I'm in Denmark, they're in America. International Copyright cases are out of most people's(and even organization's) scopes.[/QUOTE] Actually it would be pretty easy to fuck your ass up for stealing content.
It's his own fault for signing a contract like that. He could also just be trying to view whore, spreading negative information about huge channels is a very effective way to do so.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;35908124]What a whiner. Why does he just make another youtube account with a different name and continue making videos. If he wants his viewers to move over he could easily make a video on machinima and mention that he "discovered" this new channel and to check it out. Easy loophole, eventually he could even manage to get money off youtube ads when they offer.[/QUOTE] Because Machinima owns [i]him[/i], not his channel. Machinima could sue for damages if he breaks his contract. The best way to get around it is be such a pain in the ass that Machinima wants to void the contract.
Sooo he's supposed to upload videos even when he is an old geezer? Someone explain this to me.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;35910589]Sooo he's supposed to upload videos even when he is an old geezer? Someone explain this to me.[/QUOTE] No, any videos he uploads to Youtube have to be done through Machinima. The contract doesn't compel him to make videos, only to properly upload them if he does make them.
[QUOTE=KorJax;35894886]How the hell do you make $50 a day when your average video view is only around 3k or so Because last I checked the only people who actually made any money over a couple a bucks here and there a day were partners who generally roll in 10k-20k+ views for every video they post[/QUOTE] I made $120 from a Skyrim video that got 60,xxx views. I had a hunch that it was going to be removed for copyright infringement since it had the Sovngarde song in it. I canceled my AdSense account, they sent me a check. A week later I had a strike on my account from Zenimax. Glad I canceled the AdSense so I still got payed.
[QUOTE=Officer brown;35910956]I made $120 from a Skyrim video that got 60,xxx views. I had a hunch that it was going to be removed for copyright infringement since it had the Sovngarde song in it. I canceled my AdSense account, they sent me a check. A week later I had a strike on my account from Zenimax. Glad I canceled the AdSense so I still got payed.[/QUOTE] I'm confused to hell as to how this works. I see partners all the time with gameplay footage/music that don't get strikes. Is it okay with partners but not adsense accounts? It just seems confusing.
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;35906971]I steal content from people all the time. They email me and depending on their level of politeness I remove/take it down. But if they start fucking with me, I just keep using it. I'm in Denmark, they're in America.[/QUOTE] mecha the slag is that you
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