• Jordan Peterson Is Canada's Most Infamous Intellectual
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Can we all agree to just stop upholding this crackpot already? [video]https://twitter.com/S_Saeen/status/955889027957297152[/video] (Also, do watch the video in the OP, particularly 5:45 to 7:30 if you're short on time. Very elucidating in terms of the weird pseudo-scientific brand of sexism he pushes.)
[QUOTE=Cyanlime;53118792]Can we all agree to just stop upholding this crackpot already? [url]https://twitter.com/S_Saeen/status/955889027957297152[/url] (Also, do watch the video in the OP, particularly 5:45 to 7:30 if you're short on time. Very elucidating in terms of the weird pseudo-scientific brand of sexism he pushes.)[/QUOTE] What's the full context of this though? That's just one clip. It's kind of unfair to judge one thing he says. There are legitimate reasons to criticize Islam, very harshly. Some Muslim countries are so obscenely sexist it's sickening. Feminists aren't immune to critic either, there's many things to be said about them.
[QUOTE=J!NX;53118797]What's the full context of this though? That's just one clip. It's kind of unfair to judge one thing he says. There are legitimate reasons to criticize Islam, very harshly. Some Muslim countries are so obscenely sexist it's sickening.[/QUOTE] Go back a while and look at every x y z religion, you put any religion in a context where people haven't embraced the ideals of trying to be a secular and equal society, and you get the same shit we find unspeakable today. Judging one religion when much of its following that grabs attention live in incredibly unstable and traditionalist societies is like judging a fishes speed by tossing it into petroleum jelly. Also I challenge you to create a context in which "all women have subconscious brutal rape fantasies for muslim men" that makes it not bigoted as shite. Or one where "lobsters have hierarchies therefore societies current inequalities are okay and natural" and also "this cultural marxism thing that was cooked up by fucking nazis, is a rational thing to believe is real, and call everyone who disagrees with you."
"Intellectual"
I haven't listened to him talk [i]that[/i] but I was under the impression that he pretty much does that common thing of looking at social liberals and going too far in the other direction.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53118808]Go back a while and look at every x y z religion, you put any religion in a context where people haven't embraced the ideals of trying to be a secular and equal society, and you get the same shit we find unspeakable today. Judging one religion when much of its following that grabs attention live in incredibly unstable and traditionalist societies is like judging a fishes speed by tossing it into petroleum jelly.[/QUOTE] Why should I go back a while for anything? We don't live in the past, what Christians, Jews, Muslisms did some 50, 500, 5000 years ago doesn't matter now. I'm talking about today's problems, you can criticize parts of all ideologies in all regions everywhere. Obviously though Muslims are far, far more diverse than the 'extreme countries'. But a religion can be criticized for its ideologies, it's not that far fetched. Fuck, Many American Christians [I]today[/I] want to let poor people starve to death and die of simple diseases, and instead spend money that could help them on a massive military industrial complex. Look at how many politicians use the Bible as a crutch for everything they say.
I don't like Peterson but I feel like there's some context to his answers in this video that's missing. Any amount of editing in a conversation that requires nuance rubs me the wrong way. That being said even with full context these kinds of statements are probably pretty indefensible.
Btw for anybody who watched him on the H3 podcast did he actually talk about any of his opinions? Did they challenge him on anything or just let him talk?
[QUOTE=Splarg!;53118835]Btw for anybody who watched him on the H3 podcast did he actually talk about any of his opinions? Did they challenge him on anything or just let him talk?[/QUOTE] I only listened to maybe an hour or so of it but he wasn't really challenged on anything. There was one moment where he started talking about his religious beliefs and they sort of challenged him on those but beyond that it was essentially a circlejerk.
[QUOTE=J!NX;53118833]Why should I go back a while for anything? We don't live in the past, what Christians, Jews, Muslisms did some 50, 500, 5000 years ago doesn't matter now. I'm talking about today's problems, you can criticize parts of all ideologies in all regions everywhere. Obviously though Muslims are far, far more diverse than the 'extreme countries'. But a religion can be criticized for its ideologies, it's not that far fetched. [B]Fuck, Many American Christians [I]today[/I] want to let poor people starve to death and die of simple diseases, and instead spend money that could help them on a massive military industrial complex[/B].[/QUOTE] This is what i am getting at, and why you're missing the point. The reason why we don't see christians and Jews doing awful the things they do thousands of years ago is because religion is not an "ideology," it's far more complex, fluid and ever evolving to be called one. there are christians in other nations who have comprehensive healthcare and welfare systems; [B]it's almost as if it's[U] not[/U] their fucking religion that's the determinate [/B]
Also on a side note, H3H3 have been pushing this hack on their podcast from what I've heard, and that's very, very disturbing to me given the age of their audience(13-18 on average if I had to guess). These fucks are pushing sexist, racist and other bigoted psychology onto a younger generation for a reason, and we will see the repercussions of this within the next ten years at the latest.
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[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;53118844]Also on a side note, H3H3 have been pushing this hack on their podcast from what I've heard, and that's very, very disturbing to me given the age of their audience(13-18 on average if I had to guess). These fucks are pushing sexist, racist and other bigoted psychology onto a younger generation for a reason, and we will see the repercussions of this within the next ten years at the latest.[/QUOTE] i listened to both episodes with Peterson on them, it was mostly SJW bashing circlejerk/Peterson giving reasonable life advice
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;53118844]Also on a side note, H3H3 have been pushing this hack on their podcast from what I've heard, and that's very, very disturbing to me given the age of their audience(13-18 on average if I had to guess). These fucks are pushing sexist, racist and other bigoted psychology onto a younger generation for a reason, and we will see the repercussions of this within the next ten years at the latest.[/QUOTE] Considering the rise of nazism lite has been almost completely facilitated by the internet, we imho should be calling on operators of services and influential people on the internet to do more to actually vet what kind of content they are signal boosting, and at the same time educating young people to better spot phony information and attempts to deceive them. Shit like the alt right and the tide pod challenge show that its incredibly easy to convince a large amount of people to do incredibly dangerous and or stupid shit, people need to collectively up their game to deal with it.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53118808] Also I challenge you to create a context in which "all women have subconscious brutal rape fantasies for muslim men" that makes it not bigoted as shite. [/QUOTE] Do you even know what the full context is of what he said? You're literally making a judgement call on one thing he said. I'm not saying he isn't bigoted for saying that, or that I disagree/agree with it. I'm asking "What's the full context of this though?". I'm asking because you're taking one thing he says and going off that without the full conversation. I don't know which Muslisms or feminists he's talking about specifically. The one speaker said "even though its way over there", that could mean anything. I will 100% absolutely criticize him if he deserves it if I can see the full context of the clip. For real though, your quote isn't even what he said. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;53118843]This is what i am getting at, and why you're missing the point. The reason why we don't see christians and Jews doing awful the things they do thousands of years ago is because religion is not an "ideology," it's far more complex, fluid and ever evolving to be called one. there are christians in other nations who have comprehensive healthcare and welfare systems; [B]it's almost as if it's[U] not[/U] their fucking religion that's the determinate [/B][/QUOTE] Ok, then don't critic Islam on its own, fair enough, I agree that Christians/Jews/Etc can judge their own Religion on its own merit. What I mean is that many Muslim countries do in fact have these issues. Whether or not it could be because of Islam is one thing. They still are very anti-female.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;53118858]i listened to both episodes with Peterson on them, it was mostly SJW bashing circlejerk/Peterson giving reasonable life advice[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it okay, people who saw that video and aren't familiar are now more likely to get introduced to, and indoctrinated by his lobster marxism.
This fucking dork likes persona 4 more than 5 anyway so I honestly have no idea why anyone listens to him
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53118865]That doesn't make it okay, people who saw that video and aren't familiar are now more likely to get introduced to, and indoctrinated by his lobster marxism.[/QUOTE] Everyone who watched the Jordan Peterson H3H3 podcasts must be reprimanded for their thought crimes immediately
[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;53118888]This fucking dork likes persona 4 more than 5 anyway so I honestly have no idea why anyone listens to him[/QUOTE] Persona is overrated trash [sp]I'm joking please don't ban me[/sp] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;53118893]Everyone who watched the Jordan Peterson H3H3 podcasts must be reprimanded for their thought crimes immediately[/QUOTE] I watched the first one, he honestly didn't seem to say anything that outlandish from what I remember, but I'm unfamiliar with him so I could have probably skipped over stuff mentally
The idea that men and women can't work together and women can't wear makeup in the workplace because it's sexually provocative are two dumb as hell ideas that nobody should respect.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53118900]The idea that men and women can't work together and women can't wear makeup in the workplace because it's sexually provocative are two dumb as hell ideas that nobody should respect.[/QUOTE] the idea that they're hypocritical stood out to me I do agree that everyone should dress more suitably in a work place but the idea that make up and making yourself look presentable is 'sexually provocative by nature' sounds absolutely absurd like what
His philosophy on life in general especially about "self-authorship" is actually really intelligent and profound. It's a damn shame that literally everything else he says is hokey at best and maximum edge bigotry for the sake of it at the worst.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53118861]Considering the rise of nazism lite has been almost completely facilitated by the internet, we imho should be calling on operators of services and influential people on the internet to do more to actually vet what kind of content they are signal boosting, and at the same time educating young people to better spot phony information and attempts to deceive them. Shit like the alt right and the tide pod challenge show that its incredibly easy to convince a large amount of people to do incredibly dangerous and or stupid shit, people need to collectively up their game to deal with it.[/QUOTE] The problem with what you're suggesting is that social media is ruled by profit-driven businesses and idiots who think they're leading a group of settlers in the wild west. Both believe they understand the internet better than anyone and will usually ignore anyone who has actually studied what works best for people.
[QUOTE=Cyanlime;53118792]Can we all agree to just stop upholding this crackpot already? [video]https://twitter.com/S_Saeen/status/955889027957297152[/video] (Also, do watch the video in the OP, particularly 5:45 to 7:30 if you're short on time. Very elucidating in terms of the weird pseudo-scientific brand of sexism he pushes.)[/QUOTE] I love how in years, and hours upon hours, of footage of him talking and dealing with complex issues this is the worst thing you can dig up. He is a psychologist. What, do you expect him to not have any connection the notion of unconscious desires? He seems to be attempting to explain why a group which focuses on female rights seemingly does not give as much attention to the areas of the world which are unarguably sexist. Do I agree with him as to why that is case? No. Do I think he must be wrong? No. He is talking about psychological processes occurring in what he sees as people that are ideologically possessed and not actually driven by critical inquiry. As such, it would make sense that he attempt to appeal to less than rational reasons to explain the paradoxical behavior of the aforementioned group. As for the men and women in the workplace thing, he didn't say they can't work together without problems on a general level of statistics, he said that [I]that is an assumption[/I] that needs testing and further support. Furthermore, there is a difference between being presentable and making yourself out to be attractive. I can wear a basic sweater and pants, or I can wear a tight shirt and pants. They both arguably increase the degree to which I am 'presentable', but, presumably, they also differ in the degree to which they are generally taken to be sexually attractive.
if you're dressing up to work then dress up to work unless you dress up to suck dicks below lamp post because it's your work [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Novangel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;53118959]I love how in years, and hours upon hours, of footage of him talking and dealing with complex issues this is the worst thing you can dig up. [/QUOTE] Depending on what they're talking about I either might end up agreeing with him or he's saying something that is as bad as it sounds, possibly even worse. I can totally see why someone would use that clip, it's extremely headline-able. But it doesn't sound that 'slam dunk' I'll think of a context where it could work. If they're talking about feminists that in the 'sjw' crowd that are extremely vocally against men but aren't against certain Muslim heavy countries that actively do in fact oppress women, then I can actually see why he'd say that. There we go Vodkavia, I thought of a context.
[QUOTE=Peon Greenjoy;53118982]if you're dressing up to work then dress up to work unless you dress up to suck dicks below lamp post because it's your work[/QUOTE] wow
Out of curiosity I wanted to check if Peterson worked with any women and hey [url=http://home.psych.utoronto.ca/staff/grad.htm]of course he does[/url] I wonder if they wear makeup and if peterson can't stop thinking dirty thoughts about them.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53118999]Out of curiosity I wanted to check if Peterson worked with any women and hey [url=http://home.psych.utoronto.ca/staff/grad.htm]of course he does[/url] I wonder if they wear makeup and if peterson can't stop thinking dirty thoughts about them.[/QUOTE] He wasn't literally saying they shouldn't be allowed I don't agree with him but Jesus Christ, this thread feels like SH. [editline]9th February 2018[/editline] the only critisizms I'm seeing are "I disagree" Using a clip without context and literally changing everything he said
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