• Walt Disney Recycled Animations #1
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[video=youtube;pbjVjZrrE3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjVjZrrE3w[/video]
Expected to see Robin Hood take up 40% of the video Was not disappointed
dunno why this is going around again. Same channel put it on YT last year: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjVjZrrE3w[/url]
[QUOTE=Brt5470;51141075]dunno why this is going around again. Same channel put it on YT last year: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjVjZrrE3w[/url][/QUOTE] Oh woah I didn't know this, I just saw it trending on Reddit and enjoyed it. I'll edit the post to have the original Youtube upload instead.
I think they just have (had) a large library of film of people doing various movements and then used that to rotoscope the animation. Hence they probably even didn't think about it when taking same source film for doing those kind of choreographic actions.
Part 2: [video=youtube;cmOo_pYMG1U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmOo_pYMG1U[/video] [sp] it's not like there was an annotation in part 1 or anything [/sp]
[QUOTE=BlackPhoenix;51141439]I think they just have (had) a large library of film of people doing various movements and then used that to rotoscope the animation. Hence they probably even didn't think about it when taking same source film for doing those kind of choreographic actions.[/QUOTE] Considering one of the movies they recycled animation from was made in 1937 and they made Robin Hood 36 years later in 1973, it's entirely probable.
i sure as heck wouldnt want to have to redraw those every film
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51141841]i sure as heck wouldnt want to have to redraw those every film[/QUOTE] They still redrew it, just traced it over the sameness source video.
Frame-by-frame animation is tedious as fuck, i don't blame them. and no, this was probably all completely intentional. If you've got a source video of, say, "Boy climbing up and down hill, rocks," and you know you've used it to generate keyframes for a previous feature, then to copy and edit those keys is an easy go-to that could save weeks of work. It can also come in handy in a big way if the previous idea for a shot didn't work out and you need something to fill in time, as a patch.
And they could get away with it too. It was before home video so the only time you ever saw them was in theaters or if it aired as a special on TV so few people would ever notice. Rotoscoping from their library makes sense. Also IIRC the 70's through mid-80's were a "rough" time for Disney so I'm sure budget was a concern.
it also doesn't help that the shots are shot exactly the same in terms of how far the camera is from the frame and how it moves in the scene. it's definitely traced vs. just redrawing motions from the archives.
What gets me is how the dancing ripped from Cinderella and Snow White is elegant and rambunctious in its own way which fits the setting, but then the main character and that fucking bear get involved and suddenly they're doing this jazzy dancing and style that doesn't really mesh well with the medieval styling attempts.
when I was younger i honestly thought that balloo from the jungle book and the bear in robin hood were the same character
Its not that bad once you realize that most old animations begins with actors being rotoscoped first(for things like dancing or complex stuff) Maybe thats why old animation looks so smooth? Its like mocap for 2d. also: [t]http://i.imgur.com/GTuBuJd.jpg[/t][t]http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/1/1f/GoofyMeme.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130921170757[/t]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/C7PVLEV.png[/img]
I personally don't think it hurts the movie in the long run, but when I first found out Robin Hood recycled so much animation I was very disappointed. Its always been one of my favorite Disney movies.
It's weird that they'd bother making an entire frame-by-frame movie and decide to save on making new choreographies, but I guess it was better than cutting corners on animation quality Some of these just look so shameless though, not even an attempt to hide it and there's way too many for them to be just a nod to the other movies
IIRC the reason they did this is because at the time, Disney was having financial problems. They did this to save money. Frankly, I don't blame them. It was expensive to film reference back then.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;51144209]What gets me is how the dancing ripped from Cinderella and Snow White is elegant and rambunctious in its own way which fits the setting, but then the main character and that fucking bear get involved and suddenly they're doing this jazzy dancing and style that doesn't really mesh well with the medieval styling attempts.[/QUOTE] I dunno, I thought Lady Marianne's dance looked much better than Snow White. To be fair, everything looks better than snow white, I always get Uncanny Valley chills when watching that movie.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51151323]I dunno, I thought Lady Marianne's dance looked much better than Snow White. To be fair, everything looks better than snow white, I always get Uncanny Valley chills when watching that movie.[/QUOTE] I always loved the dwarfs, but found the other humans to be kinda creepy, even as a kid.
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