So I have been playing the game for a while now and been reading through a bunch of threads about the guns being OP and needing to be removed from the game. Well I agree and disagree with this I agree that the guns are very powerful and can be dangerous in the hands of a griefer or bandit. I disagree with the consent complaint of the guns being removed I believe a nice compromise to this would to make the guns not found in crates as a whole but to be found in about 4-5 parts. This would make them harder to obtain and more time consuming to craft.
Please leave feedback about this, your own thoughts.
or they could for now reduce the clip size
Why not make guns a tad more realistic?
Semi-automatics and Automatics generally need to have magazines loaded into them, and these magazines do not magically have ammo inside of them. Have it so players have to carry individual magazines, which have to be loaded with ammo, and once you run out of ammo in those magazines, you have to load them. It would take roughly 10 to 20 seconds for each magazine, so players can't do it magically in battle.
The only guns which are hand loaded are shotguns, revolvers, and bolt action rifles. Even those still take some time to load.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43220153]Why not make guns a tad more realistic?
Semi-automatics and Automatics generally need to have magazines loaded into them, and these magazines do not magically have ammo inside of them. Have it so players have to carry individual magazines, which have to be loaded with ammo, and once you run out of ammo in those magazines, you have to load them. It would take roughly 10 to 20 seconds for each magazine, so players can't do it magically in battle.
The only guns which are hand loaded are shotguns, revolvers, and bolt action rifles. Even those still take some time to load.[/QUOTE]
But then people would load those magazines before going out for a hunt?
So how does it change anything
[QUOTE=Jimbownz;43221169]But then people would load those magazines before going out for a hunt?
So how does it change anything[/QUOTE]
You would only have a few mags (assuming they would be rare too) and if you ran out, you have to load them again.
[QUOTE=Jimbownz;43221169]But then people would load those magazines before going out for a hunt?
So how does it change anything[/QUOTE]
Say you have three loaded magazines, and tons of ammo in the ammo pouch.
You use all three magazines.
You can't load anymore ammo without taking ten seconds to load those magazines. You are now easy prey for whatever you were originally shooting at. If the person you were shooting at has a bolt action rifle, you are gonna get fucked, hard.
Who and when said they removing guns from game ?? oO
Dev said that quite few times: They will remove MODERN weaponry from CRAFTING, so uf you find M4 in Rad City it WILL be far more valuable than it is now cuz home made weapon can be only one shooters, so having automatic weapon.. and not loosing it by shooting everyone on sight witch occur quite often now will be challenge it self.
(Tbo i hope they will add durability to weapons and tools)
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43220153]Why not make guns a tad more realistic?
Semi-automatics and Automatics generally need to have magazines loaded into them, and these magazines do not magically have ammo inside of them. Have it so players have to carry individual magazines, which have to be loaded with ammo, and once you run out of ammo in those magazines, you have to load them. It would take roughly 10 to 20 seconds for each magazine, so players can't do it magically in battle.
The only guns which are hand loaded are shotguns, revolvers, and bolt action rifles. Even those still take some time to load.[/QUOTE]
I really hope no one ever takes this idea seriously
[QUOTE=beardedcap;43221762]I really hope no one ever takes this idea seriously[/QUOTE]
Why not take it seriously? It adds a trade-off for weapons with larger magazines.
I rarely have a gun and I get shot all the time. Weapons are not OP.
[QUOTE=13579;43222268]I rarely have a gun and I get shot all the time. Weapons are not OP.[/QUOTE]
Wait...what? You don't get a gun often and get shot all the time? That makes the weapons not OP? Makes no sense to me :suicide:
Micro-managing your magazines doesn't sound like a very satisfying idea gameplay-wise
[QUOTE=Friedhelm;43222304]Wait...what? You don't get a gun often and get shot all the time? That makes the weapons not OP? Makes no sense to me :suicide:[/QUOTE]
I'm not very good with them. They jump all over the place and I can't seem to control recoil so I just don't use them...well only if I find them. I don't invest in resources to make something I'm not very good at using.
I had a shotgun the other day and died to a fellow with a rock...
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43222499]Micro-managing your magazines doesn't sound like a very satisfying idea gameplay-wise[/QUOTE]
Micromanagement is meant to be a pain in the ass for those which do not prepare.
It can be avoided by using a bolt action rifle or revolver.
meh, I was really enjoying this game, but for the first time I hate 90% of the changes in the dev version. All gun changes including P250s 1 shotting with a headshot, aim moving a little ect just feels unnatural, I hate the new bolt action rifle probably because I'm so used to the way it is atm but for the first time in the past 2 month I just dont really feel like playing anymore.
Please re-phrase your post without using the word "griefer" and/or "bandit". Any other form of those words are not allowed either.
Where does it say that?
I mean.. guns should hurt and they should be nasty. I don't think that should be changed. Making those guns degrade though, very expensive to obtain and maintain and their ammo expensive to produce those are all welcome things. More people using lower-end firearms the pipe shotguns and such would be nice and from what I can tell is the direction we're heading. Military-grade hardware should be very effective but not very common.
Its so upsetting to hear all of these newcomers simply complain more and more about how overpowered guns are when they don't even properly equip themselves to defend. Kevlar/M4 guys aren't fucking invincible. Bring mp5, cloth/leather set, [B]BARRICADES!![/B], Bandages/Medkits, and 50 or so food.
I'm sick and tired of seeing all of these cry babies on this forum when they still have their shit filled pampers on and haven't even played the game long enough to change into big boy underwear. Stop complaining and learn the game. The devs know what needs to be balanced and what doesn't.
Back when the dutch auction sold keys, NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT GUNS EVER. Now since there are new players crying their freaking minds out and wanting some sort of compensation or handicap for them we're just suppose to go from a [B]HARDCORE GAME[/B] to some Hello Kitty Online game because they don't understand how to succeed? Get fkn real with yourself.
Removing the M4 or reducing clip size isn't going to change a damn thing other than bandits will now use the current strongest obtainable gun and continue their raids. Just stop please... Man I'm getting heated lol.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43220153]Why not make guns a tad more realistic?
Semi-automatics and Automatics generally need to have magazines loaded into them, and these magazines do not magically have ammo inside of them. Have it so players have to carry individual magazines, which have to be loaded with ammo, and once you run out of ammo in those magazines, you have to load them. It would take roughly 10 to 20 seconds for each magazine, so players can't do it magically in battle.
The only guns which are hand loaded are shotguns, revolvers, and bolt action rifles. Even those still take some time to load.[/QUOTE]
There are some bolt action rifles that use a clip.
People complain because when you give automatic weapons that have pinpoint accuracy with no bullet drop to compensate to people who play competetive fps games, people get pooped on.
[QUOTE=Chikun;43226887]People complain because when you give automatic weapons that have pinpoint accuracy with no bullet drop to compensate to people who play competetive fps games, people get pooped on.[/QUOTE]
Or players who run around in the open stark naked not thinking that they may be hunted. Next time, instead of dead sprinting to the next wood pile to gather, use a little tact and scope out the area first.
[QUOTE=Chikun;43226887]People complain because when you give automatic weapons that have pinpoint accuracy with no bullet drop to compensate to people who play competetive fps games, people get pooped on.[/QUOTE]
Cod/BF4 is so competitive. MLG4lyfe.
OT :
>MFW all of these people complaining about guns being op because they can't properly play the game.
Guns are not op. A gun in real life takes one-three bullets to kill someone so give them some slack there, especially on the Kevlar. If you have armor on IRL then I don't think you will be killed by one bullet.
the guns are not op. you can easily run away when you are at a medium range and someone is shooting at you. Iam not sure about the damage-balancing, but for me its hard to shoot someone done moving. And i think there should be an crosshair at a normal bow. Its hard to aim at zombies sometimes without. Maybe there is a way to put a better bow in the game (metal?) and dont add an crosshair, but have better damage. So this would be good without destroying balancing, because the bow isnt good at fighting other players.
[QUOTE=Sifer_uk;43223239]meh, I was really enjoying this game, but for the first time I hate 90% of the changes in the dev version. All gun changes including P250s 1 shotting with a headshot, aim moving a little ect just feels unnatural, I hate the new bolt action rifle probably because I'm so used to the way it is atm but for the first time in the past 2 month I just dont really feel like playing anymore.[/QUOTE]
I actually disagree with you but you bring up a good point. "because I'm used to the way it is atm"
The developers are always changing the game just because you are enjoying the game right now doesn't meant it cant be better than it is.
TL:RD
The game is in alpha. AKA "Not finished" or "going to change".
You sound like a 60 year old "Why did they change things, I can't watch my porn on my vcr anymore".
I think you guys are missing the fact that it's still a gun.. If i shoot someone with a real M4 in real life they will also die pretty fast, i think removing them from the game is a horrible idea, but that doesn't fix the problem its self, instead of punishing the people who worked to get those guns by making them worst.. just make them work harder to get them in the first place and maybe add some kind of sway when aiming, if you add things to make the weapons more realistic, they will eventually balance them self's out as-well.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43220153]Why not make guns a tad more realistic?
Semi-automatics and Automatics generally need to have magazines loaded into them, and these magazines do not magically have ammo inside of them. Have it so players have to carry individual magazines, which have to be loaded with ammo, and once you run out of ammo in those magazines, you have to load them. It would take roughly 10 to 20 seconds for each magazine, so players can't do it magically in battle.
The only guns which are hand loaded are shotguns, revolvers, and bolt action rifles. Even those still take some time to load.[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't you just carry FMJ's in your bag? If I can carry 2500 logs in my bag, how is 5 FMJ's less realistic? I got a backpack right here, and it sure looks like they would "realistically" fit. If you could somehow only have 1, why wouldn't people just carry 5 guns with the clip loaded and ready to go assigned to different buttons on their hotbar? Extra guns would = the new ammo.
Guns are just fine the way they are atm in terms of power, although they are way to easy to make
making a gun should be way harder, a berreta / m4 should be a very rare late game item,
people should be using slings and bows early game, pipe shotguns and hand-cannons mid game, and p250 and M4 late game,
right now its very easy to get a berreta m9 within half an hour, which makes no sense,
nerfing guns is stupid, because its a fucking gun, go take a 9mm to the face and tell me that one shot head-shots are stupid
[QUOTE=Sowhat160;43227004]Cod/BF4 is so competitive. MLG4lyfe. [/QUOTE]
CS and Delta Force
#rekt
Seriously though, I don't think some of these people have played an fps before. Glad headshots do more damage, the m4 is going to be obsolete.
[QUOTE=XheadJr;43227173]I think you guys are missing the fact that it's still a gun.. If i shoot someone with a real M4 in real life they will also die pretty fast, i think removing them from the game is a horrible idea, but that doesn't fix the problem its self, instead of punishing the people who worked to get those guns by making them worst.. just make them work harder to get them in the first place and maybe add some kind of sway when aiming, if you add things to make the weapons more realistic, they will eventually balance them self's out as-well.[/QUOTE]
Remember this is a video game. Want realistic gunplay? Play arma. I also think removing them from the game is a horrible idea. They need work on balance, more weapons, and reasons not to shoot someone.
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