Whats happening with the hackers? - Rust

The hacker Esco who was also the main dupper on the US Server now can blast down over 20 metal doors with in under 1 minute. He also knows where people are and can get from 1 side of the map to the other in under a minute. I will be adding more stuff to a video soon showing that he has a base on one side of the map and can be at our now old base on the other side. Also he knows that we moved to another house we made far away from our original base. It is to coincidental. I have read in the chat about other people in the last week complaining about him, like how he knocked all their doors down at once and killed them. He is a problem and needs to be banned form this game. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("didn't read the sticky, missed the hackers thread" - postal))[/highlight]

Yes I killed him he was 20 c4 on him!

[QUOTE=iDarkZ;42252253]Yes I killed him he was 20 c4 on him![/QUOTE] Yeah he always has that amount on him.

You guys do realize, he has a massive squad, where they al farm and spend ages working on this. It's not that hard to get C4 you guys. You do realize it's only a bit of Sulfur and gunpowder and shit. You guys just need to stop being butthurt and team up with people, get resources and get as good as him.

We are alpha tester instead enjoy going to report bugs in the bug report ... [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] Nop Esco is a duper

Yes, it's ALPHA testing. ALPHA means there are bugs, and are subject to change.

[QUOTE=cammo253;42252268]You guys do realize, he has a massive squad, where they al farm and spend ages working on this. It's not that hard to get C4 you guys. You do realize it's only a bit of Sulfur and gunpowder and shit. You guys just need to stop being butthurt and team up with people, get resources and get as good as him.[/QUOTE] You are really stupid. He came with one person and blew all the doors in my house down. My teammate who was still inside heard 3 explosions before he jumped from the roof and ran to a nearby shack (which is next to the base) and heard no more explosions. After there are no more doors in the house? WTF

[QUOTE=Nickjandrews;42252245]The hacker Esco who was also the main dupper on the US Server now can blast down over 20 metal doors with in under 1 minute. He also knows where people are and can get from 1 side of the map to the other in under a minute. I will be adding more stuff to a video soon showing that he has a base on one side of the map and can be at our now old base on the other side. Also he knows that we moved to another house we made far away from our original base. It is to coincidental. I have read in the chat about other people in the last week complaining about him, like how he knocked all their doors down at once and killed them. He is a problem and needs to be banned form this game.[/QUOTE] We are a very huge group with some of the best players in the game atm We put in a lot of hours making our group grow and stay ahead, and all legit.

The c4 cant be proved, but somethings definitely up with him knowing player locations and getting places fast. I am guessing an esp is involved. Also I'm guessing hes been grabbing ip's of people hes pissed at in order to tell when they log on with a name change. (Course whats wrong with that?)

[QUOTE=RogueNerdy;42252736]We are a very huge group with some of the best players in the game atm We put in a lot of hours making our group grow and stay ahead, and all legit.[/QUOTE] Some of ur group but when 2 people come up to our base and use 3 explosions and all our doors are gone then its suspicious. Esco bad the rest are fine

[QUOTE=RogueNerdy;42252736]We are a very huge group with some of the best players in the game atm We put in a lot of hours making our group grow and stay ahead, and all legit.[/QUOTE] I can confirm this statement, they are probably the largest group on the U.S server and which is why they can easily conduct raids with the manpower and the resources. I did watch Esco (Australian one, if there's more than one?) stream and he wasn't cheating, just had about 5 others with him.

Literally the dumbest thread I have ever read. Why you ask? Well, because various members of Esco's team stream as well as upload YouTube videos. If you watch these, you can easily tell they are just good at the game. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42253027]The c4 cant be proved, but somethings definitely up with him knowing player locations and getting places fast. I am guessing an esp is involved. Also I'm guessing hes been grabbing ip's of people hes pissed at in order to tell when they log on with a name change. (Course whats wrong with that?)[/QUOTE] He doesn't know player locations? All they do is run around until they see a base with players/a fire lit, then they get their entire team to go over and raid it. Having the entire map memorized after playing 2-3 months of gameplay is not a hard task. Please, tell me how you think he has [i]"been grabbing ip's of people hes pissed at"[/i] - and how this would achieve anything. They don't magically know who has changed their name - however you [b]can[/b] tell people apart from how they speak and how they chat. [QUOTE=iDarkZ;42252253]Yes I killed him he was 20 c4 on him![/QUOTE] [b][i]HOLY SHIT[/i][/b] - 20 C4?! That's not hard to get at all if you know how to play correctly! Have you seen their base? The amount of wood used is much more astonishing then some silly 20 explosive charges. Also, if you were able to kill them - what happened to their "hacks"? [QUOTE=Nickjandrews;42252398]You are really stupid. He came with one person and blew all the doors in my house down. My teammate who was still inside heard 3 explosions before he jumped from the roof and ran to a nearby shack (which is next to the base) and heard no more explosions. After there are no more doors in the house? WTF[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Nickjandrews;42253075]Some of ur group but when 2 people come up to our base and use 3 explosions and all our doors are gone then its suspicious. Esco bad the rest are fine[/QUOTE] The fuck are you going on about? I've seen them multiple times blow many doors down. Same goes for you, Nick, [i]"You are really stupid"[/i]. Just because you don't hear the sound [b]does not[/b] mean that the explosives aren't going off; maybe you are too far to hear it. Most of the team has no life and farms all day to achieve ultimate amounts of explosives. It's not hard, it's called playing too much. Another form of what I am saying: [QUOTE=cammo253;42252268]You guys do realize, he has a massive squad, where they al farm and spend ages working on this. It's not that hard to get C4 you guys. You do realize it's only a bit of Sulfur and gunpowder and shit. You guys just need to stop being butthurt and team up with people, get resources and get as good as him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bru;42253207]I can confirm this statement, they are probably the largest group on the U.S server and which is why they can easily conduct raids with the manpower and the resources. I did watch Esco (Australian one, if there's more than one?) stream and he wasn't cheating, just had about 5 others with him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RogueNerdy;42252736]We are a very huge group with some of the best players in the game atm We put in a lot of hours making our group grow and stay ahead, and all legit.[/QUOTE] Also, please remember... [QUOTE=cammo253;42252281]Yes, it's ALPHA testing. ALPHA means there are bugs, and are subject to change.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=iDarkZ;42252269]We are alpha tester instead enjoy going to report bugs in the bug report ... [editline]20th September 2013[/editline] Nop Esco is a duper[/QUOTE] Agreed with the first part, however you can't dupe anymore (or, if you can, they definitely don't know how) so that second statement is silly. Even if someone does dupe - it really doesn't matter and no one should be banned for it. Like Garry has stated previously: [img]http://puu.sh/4ppbp[/img] [b][highlight]tl;dr The amount of stupidity in this thread is tremendous. I am not sure whether to cry because it's so sad - or laugh because you're so bad.[/highlight] People work as a team. When you have a massive team that knows a lot about the game (because most of the team played before the game was for sale) as well as put a lot of playtime hours in, it's not hard to stand out. [/b]

Ok ! But please if you find a bug duplication did not used. Tell to garry Thank you and good games

[QUOTE=jackool;42253216] He doesn't know player locations? All they do is run around until they see a base with players/a fire lit, then they get their entire team to go over and raid it. Having the entire map memorized after playing 2-3 months of gameplay is not a hard task. Please, tell me how you think he has [I]"been grabbing ip's of people hes pissed at"[/I] - and how this would achieve anything. They don't magically know who has changed their name - however you [B]can[/B] tell people apart from how they speak and how they chat. [/QUOTE] Well, as far as the benefit to grabbing an ip; in the case that not everyone spouts their every waking thought in general chat all the time, if you say wanted to see when one of a group of people were to log on with the possibility that they changed names, you could grab their ip to compare. Anyway lets take a step back from the ip theory. That was just to spoon feed you the benefits grabbing ips would yield. Now let me start by stating a few facts you can agree or disagree with. 1.Almost every player in the server is within a [B]2km[/B]^2 area of our [B]16km[/B]^2 map. 2. Most players have this [B]2km[/B] area memorized by heart, along with a little of the bordering area. 3. Players outside this area would be increasingly harder to find the farther out they go and the chanced of encountering a player drops drastically. [U]Just benign common knowledge I am sure most of us are familiar with [/U] Now for the story. A user logs off after running [B]3km[/B] out of the [B]2km[/B] spawn with his belongings on his back. He hastily constructs a house and immediately logs off. The user changes their name, and rejoins the next day. Upon going on a trip to the edge of spawn and back. The user's freshly made house is raided by Esco who was angered over; being killed that night raiding the user's base and finding the user's old base abandoned when Esco raided it later, after announcing a personal vendetta against the player. With an esp, if you were to see someone log out [B]3km[/B] away from the [B]2km[/B] spawn, it would be incredibly easy to derive that someone who logs back in the same area with a different name is the same person. As far as feedback, tell me. 1. Do you now understand how grabbing ips can be useful?- [B]#1 priority[/B] 2. Do you think Esco and friends have the other 14km of player-less, resource-less map memorized?

hahaha esco doesnt hack. guys on my team, has he duped? yup... has he n stepped? yup... does he hack? no... will he get banned? no.... people who find exploits use them. they get reported, then they get fixed. as garry said himself. breaking the game is the goal of an alpha so they can fix it. they wont ban people for doing their job. i dont like esco even though he is on my team. with that said it still doesnt make him a hacker. i dont even know why i bothered to reply. when OP makes comments like "he crosses map in 2 minutes" its just ignorant and stupid. your just pulling shit out of your ass because your to bad to cope with the fact that you lose.

Cant wait for some respectable anti-cheat engine for game breakers like Esco at launch. But this is Alpha, and the dev team is small, though not short of financial resources since Garry is a millionaire; hopefully in due-time.

I don't run with esco, but I have seen him and his group in-game. Just before the last wipe, I ran to his base and single handedly broke in and killed a bunch of his people with 30 C4 that I farmed up / looted from another base, a full set of kevlar and an M4/Shotgun. Eventually they managed to follow me into their base (even though I blew out the stairs they were smart enough to rebuild them) and finally tracked me down and overwhelmed me. All of that was legit, they weren't cheating or exploiting anything, just using superior numbers vs guerrilla tactics. Nobody in his group speed hacked, he didn't track my IP and hunt me down, nothing happened other than I raided them and laughed and died (after killing esco personally twice, a small band of his groupies got me). I think a LOT of people in this game are just really not very good at it and they blame every single death on hacks or bullshit. Is it cheesy that a bunch of people need to roll around in huge zergs to survive? Sure, it's kinda lame and not something I would personally do, but it's also smart because in games like this, much like it would most likely be in real life given a similar scenario, people band together for strength in numbers. He's not a cheater, he's just a dude who has a reputation and now because people talk about him so much, new players constantly want to join him and it becomes self perpetuating. In sum, haters gonna hate, I've screwed with him and his group before and I saw nothing illegitimate.

prepare for another tl;dr post :v: [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373]Well, as far as the benefit to grabbing an ip; in the case that not everyone spouts their every waking thought in general chat all the time, if you say wanted to see when one of a group of people were to log on with the possibility that they changed names, you could grab their ip to compare. [/QUOTE] Tell me, how do you think he is grabbing these IPs? The only way I can see that being possible is them being in range of VOIP. Chat data doesn't send the IP with it - it sends a name, and their message. Data of players that are out of range of yourself isn't broadcasted - this would create extra, pointless stress. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] Now let me start by stating a few facts you can agree or disagree with. 1.Almost every player in the server is within a [B]2km[/B]^2 area of our [B]16km[/B]^2 map. [/QUOTE] There are plenty of people outside of the road-region and way outside the map. Esco is not the only one finding players outside of the main region - many of his team scouts out the various outside regions for structures they haven't raided. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] 2. Most players have this [B]2km[/B] area memorized by heart, along with a little of the bordering area. [/QUOTE] Wrong. I have this entire map region memorized: [URL]http://www.playrust.net/RustMap.jpg[/URL] from landmarks and anyone outside of this region is crazy because no wood piles, rocks, or NPCs spawn out there. Plus, like I've already said, they have people scouting out regions. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] 3. Players outside this area would be increasingly harder to find the farther out they go and the chanced of encountering a player drops drastically. [/QUOTE] Again, wrong, because there are multiple players searching around in these further, outside regions scouting the place out. Not just Esco. There is power in multiple people. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] [U]Just benign common knowledge I am sure most of us are familiar with [/U] [/QUOTE] Your common knowledge was wrong. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] Now for the story. A user logs off after running [B]3km[/B] out of the [B]2km[/B] spawn with his belongings on his back. He hastily constructs a house and immediately logs off. The user changes their name, and rejoins the next day. Upon going on a trip to the edge of spawn and back. The user's freshly made house is raided by Esco who was angered over; being killed that night raiding the user's base and finding the user's old base abandoned when Esco raided it later, after announcing a personal vendetta against the player. [/QUOTE] Esco doesn't just raid people who he "was angered over" - like I said, the team scouts out multiple locations and raids them [B]for no specific reason[/B] other than to gain resources. After this, however, they may become angered with whichever team that they are raiding and try even harder to raid them. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] With an esp, if you were to see someone log out [B]3km[/B] away from the [B]2km[/B] spawn, it would be incredibly easy to derive that someone who logs back in the same area with a different name is the same person. [/QUOTE] Do you understand how Unity, or game programming in general works? Entities that are much further than the render distances aren't sent to the client, meaning there is no way for them to show on the ESP because the necessary clientside information isn't there. So people who are "3km away" wouldn't even be on the ESP. You realize how much unnecessary load it would take if ALL THE ENTITIES on the server were sent to the client? [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] 1. Do you now understand how grabbing ips can be useful?- [B]#1 priority[/B] [/QUOTE] That wasn't really my point. My point is [B]how[/B] he would be doing this - Esco isn't some amazing programmer who knows exactly what he's doing. He isn't some hacker. He's just a guy who plays a game. Even then, how would it be useful? They aren't exactly attacking specific targets - like I've already stated a few times they scout out the map for structures that look interesting enough to raid. The other thing that may happen is a player may attack/kill a teammate on Esco's team, and other teammates who were around the region will follow that player. Once their location is found, they bring everyone there. [QUOTE=DeadRisen;42254373] 2. Do you think Esco and friends have the other 14km of player-less, resource-less map memorized?[/QUOTE] As I have already stated, multiple people scout out regions outside of the main areas with resources. If a structure is found, the teammate will tell everyone else which direction (North/East/South/West) as well as any landmarks around the location. Then, they setup sleeping bags and prepare for battle. I'm finished with these essay-type paragraph posts in this thread. Especially because you barely know what you are talking about. Esco does not hack. The end. Also, read the post above for even more insight from another Rust player.

[QUOTE=jackool;42255608] Your common knowledge was wrong. [/QUOTE] Well, from the start, my post on player location methods were simply theories. Can't really blame that part for having holes in it (and yes, the render distance issue does knock a hole in the long distance esp locator theory). In regards to my second post, my main goal was describing the benefits one would have from associating an ip with a name in response to your question. PS Actually the common knowledge I listed is still correct. Sorry about the spoon feeding comment, I was just a bit flustered. [QUOTE=jackool;42255608] There are plenty of people outside of the road-region and way outside the map. Esco is not the only one finding players outside of the main region - many of his team scouts out the various outside regions for structures they haven't raided. Wrong. I have this entire map region memorized: [URL]http://www.playrust.net/RustMap.jpg[/URL] from landmarks and anyone outside of this region is crazy because no wood piles, rocks, or NPCs spawn out there. Plus, like I've already said, they have people scouting out regions. Again, wrong, because there are multiple players searching around in these further, outside regions scouting the place out. Not just Esco. There is power in multiple people. [/QUOTE] 1.Almost every player in the server is within a [B]2km[/B]^2 area of our [B]16km[/B]^2 map. [QUOTE=jackool;42255608] Wrong. I have this entire map region memorized: [URL]http://www.playrust.net/RustMap.jpg[/URL] from landmarks and [U]anyone outside of this region is crazy[/U] because no wood piles, rocks, or NPCs spawn out there. [/QUOTE] 2. Most players have this [B]2km[/B] area memorized by heart, along with a little of the bordering area. -This ones a bit more of an opinion, but looking at point 1, wouldn't you guess that this would be true about most players? 3. Players outside this area would be increasingly harder to find the farther out they go and the chanced of encountering a player drops drastically. [QUOTE=jackool;42255608] Wrong. I have this entire map region memorized: [URL]http://www.playrust.net/RustMap.jpg[/URL] from landmarks and [U]anyone outside of this region is crazy because no wood piles, rocks, or NPCs spawn out there.[/U] Plus, [I]like [B]I've already said, they have people scouting out regions.[/B][/I] [/QUOTE] I think this still supports the statement that the farther from the resources you go, the less likely somone is to cross paths with you. Start with ones you approve of and move to the ones you disagree with.

Honestly, I'm not here to argue but if you find a bug in a game it's not a reason to abuse it. Yes this is alpha and we are here to find these bugs, but is it a reason to abuse it I don't think so. I'd prefer if the person that found these bugs would just report them here on the forum and not abuse it, but hey it's humanity we are talking about, ofc some will abuse.

[QUOTE=DeadRisen;42253027]The c4 cant be proved, but somethings definitely up with him knowing player locations and getting places fast. I am guessing an esp is involved. Also I'm guessing hes been grabbing ip's of people hes pissed at in order to tell when they log on with a name change. (Course whats wrong with that?)[/QUOTE]True, I hate hackers :suicide: