East Coast 3 has been offline for 4 days. - Rust

I assume Facepunch is just done supporting the old version? A server offline for 4 days with no information as to why? I assume this will be locked, because I'm not supporting your company in this post. You're really amping me up to play your new version of Rust, until you start on another game. Then I can only assume the new Rust will be 100% ignored by your company as well. Way to go Facepunch. Show us consumers why we should play your games. Bravo. *Golf Clap*

Go on another server.

Don't blame FP they don't host the servers. Just find another server.. it can't be more difficult than breathing.

[QUOTE=Takudaku;45121629]I assume Facepunch is just done supporting the old version?[/QUOTE] Correct. [QUOTE]A server offline for 4 days with no information as to why?[/QUOTE] See: Alpha Access [QUOTE]I assume this will be locked, because I'm not supporting your company in this post.[/QUOTE] Nice attitude. Impatience=\=logical argument thread that merits not being locked [QUOTE]You're really amping me up to play your new version of Rust, until you start on another game.[/QUOTE] Again, nice attitude, and again, see: Alpha Access [QUOTE]Then I can only assume the new Rust will be 100% ignored by your company as well. Way to go Facepunch. Show us consumers why we should play your games. Bravo. *Golf Clap*[/QUOTE] Again, nice attitude. You're sure to have some nice responses with a thread like this. But hey, you have some valid points in regards to how Facepunch treats their game development cycles. I mean, [URL="http://steamcharts.com/app/4000"]nobody plays GMod anymore, right?[/URL]

Having a developer that doesn't care about a game sucks no matter what. It's a very shitty way to do business. No matter how far you all have their dicks down your throat. In reference to "Facepunch doesn't host the servers." Yeah, already contacted playrust.eu, they literally told me only FP can fix it as they have administrative control over the server. Try harder.

[QUOTE=Takudaku;45122014]Having a developer that doesn't care about a game sucks no matter what. It's a very shitty way to do business. No matter how far you all have their dicks down your throat. In reference to "Facepunch doesn't host the servers." Yeah, already contacted playrust.eu, they literally told me only FP can fix it as they have administrative control over the server. Try harder.[/QUOTE] Im just gonna take you as a troll and go on with my day.

I would post proof for what I say but I don't care that much. Resolve a official servers IP, it's playrust.eu. Talk to their live help. Not rocket science. FP doesn't care. [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] It's so sad such a good game is being ruined by a company that doesn't give a shit about it's player base. They hide behind the Alpha tag like they didn't make an entire game and were unable to fix it because they are not advanced enough, or too stingy to hire more programmers. The whole Rust thing is a joke, and all you forum bible thumpers are laughable. Where your motivation comes from to defend a company that literally acts like children to their player base is beyond me. Respect is earned, and they are earning none. Sorry your old game sucks, but FFXIV sucked too. They literally scrapped the entire game and remade it into FFXIV: Reborn and now it has 2mil players. While they were remaking it, they kept adding content to the old version, and made it F2P. Learn from a real company FP and stop being so fucking rude to your players.

[QUOTE=Takudaku;45122014]Having a developer that doesn't care about a game sucks no matter what. It's a very shitty way to do business. [/QUOTE] Right because devs who work mon-fri for 8 hours or more don't give a shit about the game. Have you even looked at their [URL="https://trello.com/#playrust"]Trello page?[/URL] [QUOTE]No matter how far you all have their dicks down your throat.[/QUOTE] Actually looking at the facts before coming up with counter-arguments =\= sucking devcock. Stop being an asshole.

So it's okay for the player base to suffer because they want to hoard all their money? Again, shitty business practice. They could hire more people, they could hire an admin for officials, they could do a lot of things. They just don't. That isn't the player bases fault, it's theirs. Your defending a group of people that are doing this for fun and hoard their profits, not a company.

as I have said many times over, this is just a result of bad server maintenance. The servers can no longer handle the load and the high object count crashes the server and since there are no admins, the server doesn't get restarted. There have been official servers down for months at a time already. last month they restated several servers that had been missing only to have them crash and go back down within a week and they are all gone again. Also, the game being in alpha is a bulls**t excuse in regards to this issue. Whether or not the game is in alpha has nothing to do with the fact that no one is maintaining the servers and no one at facepunch seems to have any thoughts on the issue as they don't seem to have ever directly responded to this problem. yes they are hosted by payrust.eu but they aren't responsible for the servers status, only the server owners are, namely facepunch. side note: maybe they should switch to gameservers, they automatically check server status and restart if it's down - if the admin sets this feature up of course) also, maybe we should be thankful that they arent using HFB at least lol. the official servers would never be up at all.

There are literally thousands of other servers to play on. If the devs aren't getting weekly updates out, people flip out because they don't know what's happening. If they post dev logs so people at least know what's happening, people flip out because the official servers aren't being maintained. If they were to maintain the official servers, people would find something else to bitch about. You guys shouldn't buy early access games if you can't handle dealing with bumps in the road. Just because you don't like what alpha access really entails doesn't change it or make it any less valid as a reason behind the issues you're experiencing in an unfinished game. Hope you can understand what I'm saying, I know there's, "devcock down my throat." :rolleyes:

Official servers suck anyways...

[QUOTE=Takudaku;45122107]So it's okay for the player base to suffer because they want to hoard all their money?[/QUOTE] You're choosing to suffer. You could go to another server instead of shitting all over the forums and calling everyone who disagrees with you a cocksucker. They're not working 8 hours a day and getting yelled at by someone no matter how they prioritize for fun, they're doing it because they want to put out a game that they can appreciate and that players can appreciate. I'm defending them because no matter what they do, someone is always shitting on them, and it's exhausting and disgusting. You can't just throw money at issues and have them be fixed forever. That's not how software development works.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;45122182]There are literally thousands of other servers to play on. If the devs aren't getting weekly updates out, people flip out because they don't know what's happening. If they post dev logs so people at least know what's happening, people flip out because the official servers aren't being maintained......... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] alpha,pre-alpha,beta, whatever, we've been through this song and dance many times over this year. It's still not a valid excuse for an issue that can be resolved by having one person check once a day to see if the "OFFICIAL" servers are up and running, it's not exactly rocket science. I'm pretty sure I was b***hing about this before the devblogs ever even started. bump in the road? mysteriously disappearing OFFICIAL resources, for months at a time, is not a bump in the road. It's a damn mountain, an invisible mountain apparently. I've test , betaed, alphed many game just like many other people in the Rust community. This is the only large scale game I have been involved with that does things this way with the nonchalant attitude towards it's user base.

You decided to donate $20 to the development of the game. In exchange, you get early access if you choose to use it-- but ultimately, you get a finished release-copy of the game. Until that full-release copy comes out, you have absolutely no right to complain about anything. At this point you are an alpha tester. So stop making yourself look stupid, sit down, and shut up.

[QUOTE=Takudaku;45122107]So it's okay for the player base to suffer because they want to hoard all their money? Again, shitty business practice.[/QUOTE] In what field is it good business practice to throw money away at every complaint that arises? [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt. Lumpy;45122343]alpha,pre-alpha,beta, whatever, we've been through this song and dance many times over this year. It's still not a valid excuse for an issue that can be resolved by having one person check once a day to see if the "OFFICIAL" servers are up and running, it's not exactly rocket science. I'm pretty sure I was b***hing about this before the devblogs ever even started. bump in the road? mysteriously disappearing OFFICIAL resources, for months at a time, is not a bump in the road. It's a damn mountain, an invisible mountain apparently. I've test , betaed, alphed many game just like many other people in the Rust community. This is the only large scale game I have been involved with that does things this way with the nonchalant attitude towards it's user base.[/QUOTE] If there were no other servers for players to choose from, it'd probably be more of a priority to have those servers up and running. But I don't think it's a priority/something that makes the players suffer when there are literally THOUSANDS of other servers to choose from. If they don't absolutely need them to progress in development, why would they spend the money to hire someone to administrate them? "Hey guys, I know the coffee maker in the break room works BUT THIS ONE AT MY DESK DOESN'T AND I NEED IT RIGHT NOW I HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS TO GET MY COFFEE FUCK YOU GARRY EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS COCK." Something that's not heavily necessary and isn't working would be considered a bump in the road imho. Something like the player movement suddenly breaking and being ignored for months would be a mountain. Sorry if that upsets you.

[QUOTE=Dionysus9;45122356]You decided to donate $20 to the development of the game. In exchange, you get early access if you choose to use it-- but ultimately, you get a finished release-copy of the game. Until that full-release copy comes out, you have absolutely no right to complain about anything. At this point you are an alpha tester. So stop making yourself look stupid, sit down, and shut up.[/QUOTE] Totally disagree. A tester has more right to complain than anyone, that's the point of a tester, find issues and report them. Berating someone for having an opinion that doesn't align with your own, does nothing to help your argument, or his. I can honestly say ive never felt less like a tester in my life. ( bear in mind I love rust even with it's issues and have put in over 2000 hours including about 150, per on 2 official servers and lost glorious structures, simply because they are not doing any maintenance on the servers that are supposed to be official resources)

You bought a licence to play the early access. The official servers don't have to be there for you to play on them in the first place. They aren't even moderated so it wouldn't be a huge loss to the community. Might even see a small decrease in hacker activity on overall servers. Oh no a server went down.. It's hard to take 15 seconds to find another one to reconnect to. It's not rocket science.

[QUOTE=Sgt. Lumpy;45122428]Totally disagree. A tester has more right to complain than anyone, that's the point of a tester, find issues and report them. Berating someone for having an opinion that doesn't align with your own, does nothing to help your argument, or his. I can honestly say ive never felt less like a tester in my life. ( bear in mind I love rust even with it's issues and have put in over 2000 hours including about 150, per on 2 official servers and lost glorious structures, simply because they are not doing any maintenance on the servers that are supposed to be official resources)[/QUOTE] As a tester you have every right to send in complaints to the dev team, but they also have every right to prioritize what needs to be done as opposed to catering to specific people who want to play on one specific server when it's not a necessity. If the game were finished, it'd be more understandable to want the official servers up and running. IMO the devs have better things to do than to babysit.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;45122366]In what field is it good business practice to throw money away at every complaint that arises? [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] If there were no other servers for players to choose from, it'd probably be more of a priority to have those servers up and running. But I don't think it's a priority/something that makes the players suffer when there are literally THOUSANDS of other servers to choose from. If they don't absolutely need them to progress in development, why would they spend the money to hire someone to administrate them? "Hey guys, I know the coffee maker in the break room works BUT THIS ONE AT MY DESK DOESN'T AND I NEED IT RIGHT NOW I HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS TO GET MY COFFEE FUCK YOU GARRY EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS COCK." Something that's not heavily necessary and isn't working would be considered a bump in the road imho. Something like the player movement suddenly breaking and being ignored for months would be a mountain. Sorry if that upsets you.[/QUOTE] Official servers are considered by at least some of us, to mean they are Official. They added the Official choice to the UI, they made Official servers, and the word Official in and of itself signifies that we should be able to depend on them at least being available for use in some capacity. They should remove them altogether or treat them as official resources. In any game similar to this setup, if an official server is unavailable, it it typically reported in someway, or at the very least not ignored by the developer in the first place. No one is saying there are not other options. you are sick of peopel bashing the devs? I'm sick of people answering everything with "oh its an alpha get over it" as a bulls**t cop-out for every issue, large or small. [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=TheQuagmire;45122434]You bought a licence to play the early access. The official servers don't have to be there for you to play on them in the first place. They aren't even moderated so it wouldn't be a huge loss to the community. Might even see a small decrease in hacker activity on overall servers. Oh no a server went down.. It's hard to take 15 seconds to find another one to reconnect to. It's not rocket science.[/QUOTE] round and round we go!!!!! Same old excuses. Fact is, some people prefer official server, they dont need a reason why( maybe because it's official and new players recognize this word as having great importance, maybe they dont like the server they play on being wiped every week, maybe they are tired of abusive admins and rather deal with hackers, there are countless reasons to like or dislike official servers). Some people invest time in the game to build things they want to see, only to see them destroyed. Part of the game you say!, Absolutely! If an opponent takes the time to make c4 and come and blow up someones pretty little house, then so be it. thats the game. to lsoe 50 hours, 100 hours, or even 5 hours progress simply because someone cant go oh hey servers down, and click a button... some of us find this beyond frustrating. they make friends, enemies, etc in a specific community, then bam server disappears and they have to start all over. Well surprise, surprise, not all of us play this game like a glorified battlefield clone. Some of us actually like to build and take great pride in doing so. there is more to this game than shooting nakeds in the face for some of us.

[QUOTE=Sgt. Lumpy;45122494]you are sick of peopel bashing the devs? I'm sick of people answering everything with "oh its an alpha get over it" as a bulls**t cop-out for every issue, large or small.[/QUOTE] I'm sick of people dismissing alpha as a legitimate stage in software development because they want everything to be perfect right this second. The early access label is there for reason. I can understand that people want the game to be perfect and finished, but people's expectations won't always align with what the devs decide to prioritize and calling people names and forumshitting absolutely won't change that. (looking at you, OP.) At least you have the common decency to project your complaints in a civilized way, Sgt. For that, I respect you. And I respectfully disagree with some of your opinions, as entitled to them as you are.

Maybe they should take more than 15 seconds to decide what server they join. Talk to the admins of the server. Get involved you know? Every server I have ever been on I have gotten in touch with the admins to know about the state of the server. Any plans they had, any concerns or wipes planned. You know simple stuff it doesn't require rocket science to do this. Than again it's easy to half ass everything, and start a argument over nothing legitimate.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;45122612]I'm sick of people dismissing alpha as a legitimate stage in software development because they want everything to be perfect right this second. The early access label is there for reason. I can understand that people want the game to be perfect and finished, but people's expectations won't always align with what the devs decide to prioritize and calling people names and forumshitting absolutely won't change that. (looking at you, OP.) At least you have the common decency to project your complaints in a civilized way, Sgt. For that, I respect you. And I respectfully disagree with some of your opinions, as entitled to them as you are.[/QUOTE] OK, right and I get you, I really do ( and I agree with the first line there and I do nto feel liek that's what I'm doing here). This is the thing. Yes, totally it's alpha and some stuff is just going to be straight up f***ed ( and it is, hence the entire new branch :) ). No problem. Thing is, this isn't a software/game issue we are talking about. We are talking about the availability of Official company resources, provided to the users to play on, to play that alpha. Are there other servers available, Yep. Still not the point. If they had called them something other than official, then people like myself would probably not have the same expectations of them that we currently do.

[QUOTE=Sgt. Lumpy;45122494]round and round we go!!!!! Same old excuses. Fact is, some people prefer official server, they dont need a reason why( maybe because it's official and new players recognize this word as having great importance, maybe they dont like the server they play on being wiped every week, maybe they are tired of abusive admins and rather deal with hackers, there are countless reasons to like or dislike official servers). Some people invest time in the game to build things they want to see, only to see them destroyed. Part of the game you say!, Absolutely! If an opponent takes the time to make c4 and come and blow up someones pretty little house, then so be it. thats the game. to lsoe 50 hours, 100 hours, or even 5 hours progress simply because someone cant go oh hey servers down, and click a button... some of us find this beyond frustrating. they make friends, enemies, etc in a specific community, then bam server disappears and they have to start all over. Well surprise, surprise, not all of us play this game like a glorified battlefield clone. Some of us actually like to build and take great pride in doing so. there is more to this game than shooting nakeds in the face for some of us.[/QUOTE] We've all had to switch servers at one point or another. It sucks, but that's part of the experience. Construction and destruction doesn't just apply to building and stocking up, it's a re-occuring theme in the interactions between Rust's player base across all servers. It sucks hearing, "alpha, move to another server," not because it's a cop-out, [U]but because it's the bottom line.[/U] No getting around it, shit's gonna stop working sometimes while the game isn't finished. Once the game finishes, if they're still offering official servers and they stop working for months at a time, I'll be right there by your side asking the devs what the fuck is happening. But IMHO, they have more important shit to work on. [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt. Lumpy;45122685]OK, right and I get you, I really do ( and I agree with the first line there and I do nto feel liek that's what I'm doing here). This is the thing. Yes, totally it's alpha and some stuff is just going to be straight up f***ed ( and it is, hence the entire new branch :) ). No problem. Thing is, this isn't a software/game issue we are talking about. We are talking about the availability of Official company resources, provided to the users to play on, to play that alpha. Are there other servers available, Yep. Still not the point. If they had called them something other than official, then people like myself would probably not have the same expectations of them that we currently do.[/QUOTE] But again, they have a finite amount of company resources, and using them on maintaining official servers when there's still a whole game to be made seems like an improper prioritization. They called them official when they first started. Maybe they're phasing the official servers out? Maybe they're sourcing them over for the new build? We don't know. We may hear about it in the future, we may not. That's Alpha. That's the bottom line.

[QUOTE=TheQuagmire;45122659]Maybe they should take more than 15 seconds to decide what server they join. Talk to the admins of the server. Get involved you know? Every server I have ever been on I have gotten in touch with the admins to know about the state of the server. Any plans they had, any concerns or wipes planned. You know simple stuff it doesn't require rocket science to do this. Than again it's easy to half ass everything, and start a argument over nothing legitimate.[/QUOTE] Again. This has absolutely nothign to do with what you are talking about. this isn't a debate about what servers a person should chose, or how they chose them. It's about having that choice in the first place and having official resources unavailable or suddenly taking them away with no mention of why or for how long periods of time, is extremely detrimental to that availability. [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=hippowombat;45122703] But again, they have a finite amount of company resources, and using them on maintaining official servers when there's still a whole game to be made seems like an improper prioritization. They called them official when they first started. Maybe they're phasing the official servers out? Maybe they're sourcing them over for the new build? We don't know. We may hear about it in the future, we may not. That's Alpha. That's the bottom line.[/QUOTE] All conjecture, personal opinions, and guesses. People often say that maybe they are phasing them out, maybe they are using them for testing, maybe this maybe that. Point is, we don't know as they also do not respond to the issue. We know they read these forums, therefore at some level they are ignoring it. This is like the whole "official" GSP issue. They made a point to lock down the server files and only approve a handful of providers to use those files. then for some reason they chose not to make a public of who those GSP's were and people often think the list on the wikia is the official facepunch list. Easily solved by posting the information in an official capacity, yet they choose not to. I personally find this mindboggling. Why go through all that trouble, then not really care about it? and why call them official servers, if they arent being maintained like official resources should? ( maintenance, not administration I do not expect them to hire active admins ever)

[QUOTE=Sgt. Lumpy;45122726]Again. This has absolutely nothign to do with what you are talking about. this isn't a debate about what servers a person should chose, or how they chose them. It's about having that choice in the first place and having official resources unavailable or suddenly taking them away with no mention of why or for how long periods of time, is extremely detrimental to that availability.[/QUOTE] Server's can't be up 24/7 things will happen, and they will go down for any number of reasons. You aren't the one paying for them to have them up 24/7 either. You bought the right to use the software, not the right to run servers other people pay for. Just like any other server you join, and if you get banned what do you do? you move on. It Cannot be any more difficult of a choice when a server goes down. You just find another one to play on. It's not rocket science. You don't sit there for four days wondering what happened to the server you were on. It went down oh no. It's not like you lost money on something you paid for. You never owned the server in the first place.

[QUOTE=TheQuagmire;45122844]Server's can't be up 24/7 things will happen, and they will go down for any number of reasons. You aren't the one paying for them to have them up 24/7 either. You bought the right to use the software, not the right to run servers other people pay for. Just like any other server you join, and if you get banned what do you do? you move on. It Cannot be any more difficult of a choice when a server goes down. You just find another one to play on. It's not rocket science. You don't sit there for four days wondering what happened to the server you were on. It went down oh no. It's not like you lost money on something you paid for. You never owned the server in the first place.[/QUOTE] Can't be up 24/7? Absolutely. there are servers that have been down for months. This has nothing to do with community or modded servers, that other people own. This is about the Official servers provided for users, by the company. You are still missing the point. It's not like you lost anything? You certainly did. Time, one of the most valuable commodities on the planet. You seem to be a person that places either no value on your time or maybe you have no pride in what you build or accomplish in the game other than killing every person you see. Not all of us play like that. But again, that is not what this conversation is about.

[quote] It's not like you lost anything? You certainly did. Time, one of the most valuable commodities on the planet. [/quote] You waste your (time) doing these idiotic replies. Like I'v said several hundreds of times not just on these forums but others.. find another server; you don't have to waste you "precious" time arguing over server(s) that you don't own. You could join any other server like a normal person, and continue to play.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;45122703]We've all had to switch servers at one point or another. It sucks, but that's part of the experience. Construction and destruction doesn't just apply to building and stocking up, it's a re-occuring theme in the interactions between Rust's player base across all servers. It sucks hearing, "alpha, move to another server," not because it's a cop-out, [U]but because it's the bottom line.[/U] No getting around it, shit's gonna stop working sometimes while the game isn't finished. Once the game finishes, if they're still offering official servers and they stop working for months at a time, I'll be right there by your side asking the devs what the fuck is happening. But IMHO, they have more important shit to work on. [editline]16th June 2014[/editline] But again, they have a finite amount of company resources, and using them on maintaining official servers when there's still a whole game to be made seems like an improper prioritization. They called them official when they first started. Maybe they're phasing the official servers out? Maybe they're sourcing them over for the new build? We don't know. We may hear about it in the future, we may not. That's Alpha. That's the bottom line.[/QUOTE] I think prioritizing those that support you is worth 1 person spending a 1% of their time to make sure the OFFICIAL servers are taken care of. I'm SURE they could even get a trustworthy volunteer. Do the MODS on this forum take away from facepunch working on the new rust alpha? Are they not prioritizing because they are spending finite resources monitoring different forums rather than having 100% of their effort go to development? Maybe ask a few mods to help with servers as well? I'm glad you guys understand what alpha means, because you are missing a lot of other points being made.

Sorry you lost your stuff, Lumpy. You'll enjoy rebuilding once you get over the initial shock. As others have said, its happened to all of us. I check every day to see if US Central 1 has come back up. The amount of stuff we lost when it disappeared was epic. I agree its a little weird the devs don't tell us what is happening to the official servers, but I'd much rather they keep their nose to the grind stone and keep cranking out progress on the new code. We all knew this build was not going to last forever. Wipes happen. Server closures happen. Keep your chin up and soldier on. This is Rust.