Walls - Stone vs Metal vs Armored - Rust

there is a lot of debate in games about Stone 500/500 being better then Metal 200/200. and folks saying skip Metal and go right from Stone to Armored 1000/1000. my understanding is that metal is 200/200 but you can't break it with axes/pickaxe or tools and need C4 so it is stronger then Stone. Wood = tools and/or < 1 C4 Stone = tools and/or 1 C4 ? Metal = only C4 (1x)? Armored = 4 C4 only. is that correct?

[url]http://www.rustafied.com/rust-experimental-guides/#/building-in-rust/[/url] I dont see the point of Metal cause it need double hits but has half the hp...?!

Metal is worthless right now. I've never made anything metal except for a few pillars on a higher floor because I was cheap. At the current rate it seems like metal should have a health of 400-500 and deal twice as much damage to tools. I think armored is actually ok. 3 C4 (unless C4 damage was just changed), or about 30 pickaxes is fair. Using only pickaxes to break one armored wall costs approximately 1500 metal, and 3000 wood. That's expensive!

armored and metal should deal massive damage to tools. Metal Should have more hp. Armored Should withstand more explosive damage/siege damage. C4 Should be reworked cause it doesn't fit the game imo. I would rather see black powder bombs that are thrown several/many times at a wall to blow it up.

from what I read Metal is still better then Stone.

[QUOTE=txiah;47497971]from what I read Metal is still better then Stone.[/QUOTE] Unless they changed something with metal in yesterday's update it takes the same amount of tools to break it as stone, but 1 C4 instead of 2 for stone. If they made metal take the same amount of C4 as stone, and require more tools to break then metal would be a viable upgrade before going to armored.

Real sheet metal is weak. You can punch through it with a knife. If you ask me, it should be lower than wood (log) in terms of HP, but it would deal more damage to your tools. I agree that currently metal is useless. It can pretty easily be defeated with a few pick axes. Considering its cost, it's just not worth it other than perhaps a metal door if you can't afford to armour it right away. Perhaps pillars too. Otherwise, it's useless.

[QUOTE=Crunchmeister;47498105]Real sheet metal is weak. You can punch through it with a knife. If you ask me, it should be lower than wood (log) in terms of HP, but it would deal more damage to your tools. I agree that currently metal is useless. It can pretty easily be defeated with a few pick axes. Considering its cost, it's just not worth it other than perhaps a metal door if you can't afford to armour it right away. Perhaps pillars too. Otherwise, it's useless.[/QUOTE] Depends on the gauge of the sheet. I think 18 gauge metal is about 1/2 an inch thick. You're not stabbing through that with a knife. However, since this is a video game it makes more sense to have the metal tier be the transition between stone and armored.

Yeah. Your average thin sheet metal (as it appears to be in Rust) is the weak stuff. And it acts a lot like it in terms of resistance and hit points, IMO. It's 'accurate', but useless in its current form. And I agree. it should be a transition between stone and armor. It's just not even worth using the way it is currently though. The cost in metal is too high considering its low level of protection. You're betting off skipping by it altogether and just saving up the metal fragments for armor.

The Sheet Metal needs to be better for the solo players. Stone is great but you can destroy it with tools and the Reinforced is way too expensive for a solo player.

[QUOTE=Hickimaru;47507299]The Sheet Metal needs to be better for the solo players. Stone is great but you can destroy it with tools and the Reinforced is way too expensive for a solo player.[/QUOTE] You can destroy sheet metal pretty easily too. A couple of guys with 3 pick axes each can take out a sheet metal wall in a few minutes.

[QUOTE=Crunchmeister;47508087]You can destroy sheet metal pretty easily too. A couple of guys with 3 pick axes each can take out a sheet metal wall in a few minutes.[/QUOTE] I wish I read this earlier, my crew replaced all the stone walls with metal... imo that's kindof BS, metal should still be an upgrade from stone, even if it isn't realistic....

[QUOTE=Insanity8016;47702983]metal should still be an upgrade from stone, even if it isn't realistic....[/QUOTE] Sheet metal IS better than stone, (although not MUCH better). I think the confusion comes from the fact that Stone has [B]500 hp[/B], whereas Sheet metal has [B]300 hp[/B], so it appears to be weaker. However almost all of the tools do twice as much damage to stone as to metal, so those [B]300 hp[/B] for Sheet metal are equivalent to about [B]600 hp[/B] when compared to stone. The only thing that Sheet metal is more susceptible too is C4, but with everything else, pick axes, hatchets, guns, spears, etc, the Sheet Metal is still stronger.

Sheet ain't all that bad. It's over twice as resistant to tools as stone (you do 1/2 damage to sheet with a pick and 2.5 to stone, so tool wise a stone wall is 250 hits and sheet is 600 hits. C4 is good against sheet and bad against stone... I feel its pretty balanced considering sheet is cheaper to make. You choose between c4 and tool resistance... Ultimately both should be temporary steps to armored anyways. As for armored being too expensive for solo players thats bs.. I made a 100% armored cave base solo in 2 days last wipe, that was hundreds of upgrades, you just have to focus on farming like there is no tomorrow and keep them 20 forges fed. It resisted 3x 20+ c4 attacks and i lost zippo.

One also needs to add that Sheet metal costs 150 metal pieces. That means you need to cut wood, process metal ore. And only then you can place a wall, that for all intensive purpose is just as weak as wood against C4 & Rockets. While Stone walls are not as strong against tools like sheet metal wall's, it still takes a healthy 3 to 4 minutes with 3 people beating on a stone wall to beat it down ( and a lot of pickaxes ). Add to that, that stone is "cheap", a byproduct of mining any ore stone. So you can easily add more walls as a defense. On the server i play NOBODY makes there base out of sheet metal. Its always: Stone -> Stone/Armored ( first floor ) -> Full armored. C4/Rockets are too easy to get on a server after a few days ( especially for the clans ), that nobody bothers to hatched a base ( unless its a one wall base ). You can tell the newbies a mile away when you see a sheet metal base. It also makes no sense how C4 does 350 damage against armored walls and 250 damage against stone walls. It add's to the confusion for new players. And then you have the "range" for C4/Rocket blasts, that bypass any objects in there path ( damage is calculated based upon a range and not based upon how many objects / walls in its path ). Easier to calculate but maximizes the damage. So anybody with a sheet metal base will get raided so fast... I always found the fact that sheet metal is a "upgrade" from stone walls in the building upgrade menu just silly. Not only that, at times you accidentally upgrade a wall to sheet metal ( when your doing a lot of walls and have some metal in your inventory ). So annoying.

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47498246]Depends on the gauge of the sheet. I think 18 gauge metal is about 1/2 an inch thick. [/QUOTE] 18 gauge sheet metal is 0.08 inches thick.

The problem with sheet is that it's a waste of metal. If you can't afford to make armored, it's better to just use your metal on guns and explosives rather than upgrading your house.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47712769]The problem with sheet is that it's a waste of metal. If you can't afford to make armored, it's better to just use your metal on guns and explosives rather than upgrading your house.[/QUOTE] I always end up with more metal than i need once my first base is secured and armored. I use sheet like i used doors in legacy, as bait to blow c4! Works great and its bone cheap. Never on sensitive stuff of course.

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[QUOTE=txiah;47497226]there is a lot of debate in games about Stone 500/500 being better then Metal 200/200. and folks saying skip Metal and go right from Stone to Armored 1000/1000. my understanding is that metal is 200/200 but you can't break it with axes/pickaxe or tools and need C4 so it is stronger then Stone. Wood = tools and/or < 1 C4 Stone = tools and/or 1 C4 ? Metal = only C4 (1x)? Armored = 4 C4 only. is that correct?[/QUOTE] c4 deals 300 damage, but it used to require 3 c4 for an armored piece, i should do more testing!

[QUOTE=Cst;47715645]c4 deals 300 damage, but it used to require 3 c4 for an armored piece, i should do more testing![/QUOTE] 350 to sheet and armored, 250 to stone, its kinda weird how its balanced.