Additional Anti Hack Program - Rust

In the status update Garry says, "We don’t want to force you to install an obstrusive third party program." To be honest why would we care? I don't care at all if I would have to download some "obstructive" third party program if it meant the game would be rid of hackers. Does anyone feel the same way? If not why would you not want to install a anti hack program that could possibly remove a majority of the hackers?

I feel that VAC is doing a fine job banning the hackers. No reason to have additional anti-hack measures. Thats what admins are for.

Meh, I wouldn't be against it if it's a fixer, as long as it has been adequately tested before they toss it on me, I got nothing to hide.

[QUOTE=jonnymad;43733686]Meh, I wouldn't be against it if it's a fixer, as long as it has been adequately tested before they toss it on me, I got nothing to hide.[/QUOTE] Agreed.

Only problem I see is that likely we would essentially be alpha testing the anti-cheat software as well, which could get kinda messy. Plus some people are barely scraping playable, and having an additional background program has the potential to push them over the edge.

It does not have to be required. If someone wants to not download or install it they can play on a "hack" server. I would rather the devs put the effort into new content than chasing cheaters. It seems like 3rd party app would take a lot less time and effort.

Like Punkbuster, which has detected [B]itself[/B] in the past? Yeah no thanks. I'll wait for VAC to start making the bodies hit the floor in a long line.

Actually, a third party program is a great idea. Better yet, a third party program that does [B]nothing[/B]. I mean, we can say it does something. But just the thought that there's something "running" and catching their artificial aiming tools and forcing them to spend another $20.... Cause right now, they just server hop. If they thought, oh shit, I'ma have to drop another $20 every time I log in... It's going to turn away many cheaters. Even if it does nothing at all. Psychological warfare.

This poll has confusing language. I voted "Yes" meaning I don't want to deal with the hassle of installing some sort of Punkbuster (PB sucks) style software.

A 3rd party program? Seriously? No! 1) VAC is the cheat detection system with the less false bans (see for example the post about PunkBuster above). 2) What will this 3rd party program do? Scan my RAM and send statistics to a server? If I would be a hacker I would just code my own program as a replacement, not scanning my RAM and sending fake statistics. Please, just keep VAC and fix exploits. There's nothing more needed.

[QUOTE=V10lator;43734005]A 3rd party program? Seriously? No! 1) VAC is the cheat detection system with the less false bans (see for example the post about PunkBuster above). 2) What will this 3rd party program do? Scan my RAM and send statistics to a server? If I would be a hacker I would just code my own program as a replacement, not scanning my RAM and sending fake statistics. Please, just keep VAC and fix exploits. There's nothing more needed.[/QUOTE] You're wrong about #2. Most "hackers" aren't actually hackers, they just pay the real hackers $15 a month. They're just lousy small dick cheaters who pay other people to hack for them because they're not even smart enough to cheat on their own.

Dont need it vacs good enough

Best anti-hack = daily updates. Updates that have different memory addresses from previous updates. = Cheat down for updating , = next to 0 cheaters. No one will pay for a hack they can't use.

If it can be installed trough steam I wouldn't mind to be honest. Otherwise I would prefer not to, but I would do it anyway when it was needed.

VAC is a good anti cheat, its just the lack of admins and mods on the official servers. I have yet to see one on the official servers in fact

i think everything that helps should be done, aslong (like Mr. Newman says) there is no false positive wave, im ok with whatever (exept PB was always and will always suck) but honestly i think VAC does a grate job, sure they dont ban them if he hacks today, but he get flaged, and no one knows if he is flaged or not (@luck^eh Psychological warfare deluxe) im sure who ever hacks has always that little voice inside his had wich asks: am i now flaged? or maybe now?" xD atleast i hope that becouse they deserve it. but there are always thos hackers who just dont care about annything. at least Facepunch cares about Hackers and thats what counts for me :3

We already have an "obstructive" anti cheat called VAC. You know, the anti cheat that scans your C: drive as soon as you start up steam.

[url]http://playrust.com/[/url] [QUOTE]Cheating Well over 1,000 people have been VAC banned from Rust for cheating. We have also done a lot of work on both the client and server to make some cheats impossible. That’s not to say that cheating is eradicated. That’ll never happen. Even if we somehow manage to totally stop software based cheats.. people will still be wrapping dental floss around their monitor to form a crude crosshair. But it should now be pretty clear and obvious to people that VAC is active and if you cheat you stand a good chance of being banned. So don’t. [B]We have been looking at other cheat solutions. Things like Punkbuster don’t really appeal to us. We don’t like the idea of forcing you guys install a cheat client on your PC to play Rust. Especially since VAC is already installed and works just as well. There are serverside solutions like Fairfight – which do appeal.. but we’re not so sure of their effectiveness or accuracy. The last thing we want to do is ban legitimate hard working players. It’s an area we will continue to test and review.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=13579;43735148]Best anti-hack = daily updates. Updates that have different memory addresses from previous updates. = Cheat down for updating , = next to 0 cheaters. No one will pay for a hack they can't use.[/QUOTE] from what ive read from admitted code kiddies, some of those programs get hourly updates. Or at least very very very frequent updates. The game would have to dynamically change memory locations on the fly in order to really be ahead of the game

would not install Admining > anti cheat tools

bring it on.. if it helps to get rid of cheaters. Im all in.

[QUOTE=13579;43735148]Best anti-hack = daily updates. Updates that have different memory addresses from previous updates. = Cheat down for updating , = next to 0 cheaters. No one will pay for a hack they can't use.[/QUOTE] You are entirely correct as long as devs dont get predictable. But the other side of the coin is the kids (and most ofthe people paying for the 3rd party program) are gonna keep plunking down their money to the cheat makers. Most kids are just people without learned filters. They want to win so they cheat because there is no swift slap to the back of the head for unfair behavior. A 3rd party program may provide that slap.

[QUOTE=Rufus66;43735051]Dont need it vacs good enough[/QUOTE] vac is good, but like Garry said, what good does it do if they are not banned for another week when they are on the server now being annoying? I was just saying what harm will it do in downloading an extra 3rd party anti-hack? Not only would they get VAC banned, but also taken out of the server within a few minutes not a week(s).

[QUOTE=UltraMankill;43737411]vac is good, but like Garry said, what good does it do if they are not banned for another week when they are on the server now being annoying? I was just saying what harm will it do in downloading an extra 3rd party anti-hack? Not only would they get VAC banned, but also taken out of the server within a few minutes not a week(s).[/QUOTE] VAC works like that for a reason. It delays development of the cheats, so that the amount of hacks is released. Basically, VAC attempts to catch the big fish rather than the small fish. Though, it should be up to the community to create anti cheats. Look at CS:GO for instance, it has various various free-to-use anticheats which work very well at limiting most features such as no recoil, speedhacks, unusually fast aim, ect.

[QUOTE=Cronus06;43737629]VAC works like that for a reason. It delays development of the cheats, so that the amount of hacks is released. Basically, VAC attempts to catch the big fish rather than the small fish. Though, it should be up to the community to create anti cheats. Look at CS:GO for instance, it has various various free-to-use anticheats which work very well at limiting most features such as no recoil, speedhacks, unusually fast aim, ect.[/QUOTE] Exactly so the combination of VAC and another anti hack would both ban people in the moment while the VAC would do it for a longer period of time. [editline]31st January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43733776]Like Punkbuster, which has detected [B]itself[/B] in the past? Yeah no thanks. I'll wait for VAC to start making the bodies hit the floor in a long line.[/QUOTE] I never said VAC was bad. VAC is good at doing what it does, but it doesn't ban hackers right then in there. So it means oh lets go play for a while, find a hacker and quit for a month or so before playing again. By then there will already be more hackers. So why not have an additional one there and ready to ban hackers while they are doing their hacks. [editline]31st January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Cronus06;43735943][url]http://playrust.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Why are you quoting what I quoted and was the point of the thread?

We don't even need a banning system, let VAC handle that. Add a lightweight detection system that simply kicks on suspicious activity. Every aimbot kill = kick, that will deter people from using the hacks, especially when VAC will eventually ban them anyway.

[QUOTE=Sailor_bob;43736799]You are entirely correct as long as devs dont get predictable. But the other side of the coin is the kids (and most ofthe people paying for the 3rd party program) are gonna keep plunking down their money to the cheat makers. Most kids are just people without learned filters. They want to win so they cheat because there is no swift slap to the back of the head for unfair behavior. A 3rd party program may provide that slap.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MrSandman70;43736548]from what ive read from admitted code kiddies, some of those programs get hourly updates. Or at least very very very frequent updates. The game would have to dynamically change memory locations on the fly in order to really be ahead of the game[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=13579;43735148]Best anti-hack = daily updates. Updates that have different memory addresses from previous updates. = Cheat down for updating , = next to 0 cheaters. No one will pay for a hack they can't use.[/QUOTE] I love how dumb you fuckers are, you have literally 0 programming experience past "HEY I CAN USE COUT WOWIE ^____^" seriously shut the fuck up literally nobody in the universe uses static addresses for 99.999999% of things because guess what signature scanning allows you to ~not have to update for each update~, the only reason there is ANY downtime is because some coders like to check and make sure there's not been any new protection added in, which takes minutes to do

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