Updates on hacking / cheating prevention? - Rust

Hi, I'll keep this simple -- Are there any updates regarding hacking / cheating prevention for the Official servers? I've seen nothing official nor any positive news on the issue for months. Am I missing something or is this just not a serious concern right now? Another quick note, [B]I think we are all quite a bit ignorant to how many people are actually hacking in rust[/B]. At first I had assumed I was just lacking in skill compared to some of these guys, but as I've become adjusted to the game, it blows me away how many people are actually using 3rd party programs. Since I've racked up a few hundred hours, I am decent at listening for others, shooting from afar, sneaking up, etc, so I rarely die anymore. If there's a scuffle, I'll usually come out alive. I'll now notice that in an assumed state of rage, people that I kill/own will teleport to me and insta-kill me thru a wall after I wrecked them, or do that awesome hack where they shoot a pistol 200 times in a row from across the map. These are 'average joe' players that play multiple hours a day alongside everyone else, totalling 100s of hours, that are still not banned (and continue to play...). What gives? Is this a lost cause? It really shits on an otherwise decent game.

I have 700h of gameplay and hacking was never a problem for me. Sure, I've seen maybe 5-6 times guys flying around but they got immediately banned. I was also kinda suspected with 3 or 4 guys who would always headshot me and never lose a battle. After some hours, they got banned. Why? Because from these 700h I played, I simply picked 3 servers with very active and fair admins. Servers with active and fair admins are the way you should play at the moment. And about updates regarding hacking, I think we will probably see something new on the next update, which will take place more or less in 2 weeks, according to Garry.

That's nice. What about the official servers?

Official servers have no admins. So no, I would never play there.

The dude with 700 hours is either incredibly naive or full of shit. Every server has hackers. The problem is absolutely rediculous in this game and morons with thier heads in the sand (him) are a huge part of the problem. I am hoping this new anti hack will be wonderful and I have high hopes for it . Although at this point I think some coding improvements further into game development will help more. The only thing worse than the hacking at this point is having to deal with the fuming admin groups on the non official servers. Every single one , no matter what is said further on in this thread abuses on some level. I really wish it wasn't a choice between the two. At least some of the admins are less blatant about it.

[QUOTE=Back Stabbath;44471702]The dude with 700 hours is either incredibly naive or full of shit. Every server has hackers. The problem is absolutely rediculous in this game and morons with thier heads in the sand (him) are a huge part of the problem. I am hoping this new anti hack will be wonderful and I have high hopes for it . Although at this point I think some coding improvements further into game development will help more. The only thing worse than the hacking at this point is having to deal with the fuming admin groups on the non official servers. Every single one , no matter what is said further on in this thread abuses on some level. I really wish it wasn't a choice between the two. At least some of the admins are less blatant about it.[/QUOTE] I'm at 400 hours and I can say the same as Shavasku - I haven't had a real issue with hackers. Just don't play on obscurely populated servers and you'll be fine. There have been 2-3 incidences where I was killed through my wall but other then those isolated incidents I haven't really noticed anybody sticking out as a hacker on the servers I play on.

400 hours here and every server has a hacker. A lot of normal players use aimbot and shoot a few times and if they can't hit activate it. Honestly, if its getting this bad they should just do what they did in Goldeneye. Make it so the gun autoaims to your target, or add autoaim to the game and increase armor. It still amazes me how many actual cheaters post videos about how good they are.

I have had experienced tons of hackers in the official servers and tons of admin abuse in the community servers, both are as annoying as each other. My last play through I went back to official servers as even when there is no admin abuse I have seen community servers populations just die overnight and the game needs a decent amount of players to be any fun. Overall I would say the official server experience just felt more genuine to how rust felt when i first played it in the browser, but the hacking was so ridiculous, I'm now waiting of EAC to be activated before I invest time in my next play through.

[QUOTE=Back Stabbath;44471702]The dude with 700 hours is either incredibly naive or full of shit. Every server has hackers. The problem is absolutely rediculous in this game and morons with thier heads in the sand (him) are a huge part of the problem. I am hoping this new anti hack will be wonderful and I have high hopes for it . Although at this point I think some coding improvements further into game development will help more. The only thing worse than the hacking at this point is having to deal with the fuming admin groups on the non official servers. Every single one , no matter what is said further on in this thread abuses on some level. I really wish it wasn't a choice between the two. At least some of the admins are less blatant about it.[/QUOTE] No, man. I'm not trolling or anything. From these 700h, I have played like maybe 5 or 6 different servers. In one of them, there were hackers everywhere and I could identify there were no admins within the first hour. Also, I asked the community of the server about it and they said it was a hackfest. So I just moved to search for another server. Every server I logged in, I would ask the community if the admins were active/fair. I ended up playing on 3 servers for most of my 700h and the amount of problems with hackers I had were simply very, very small. You have to find the right servers. I mean, there are kids who are admins and will abuse, but there are also adult people who love the game and will do their best to be good admins. You just have to find these servers.

I don't know why, but people seem to keep opening up to me about cheating after we play together for a while. Possibly because I'm very passive and don't set out to kill people, they tend to be like why didn't you try and kill me? *much confusion* and so trust builds. Anyway, my steam list is only 20 or so rust players, I deleted 5 yesterday who all had been banned. About half I had no idea about while the others just opened up to me for whatever reason. There's two more that I know off who are actively hacking on my friends list using public free hacks found all over google. Its a bit of a joke that they haven't been banned yet, its well over a month now. People hear hacker and assume the worst kind of scum who just KOS and trolls people, quite a few of these guys were down to earth and passive like me. Perhaps they just wanted a small edge. Either way, I'm slowly realising there are vastly more cheaters than I first thought.

[QUOTE=moomoomoo;44473562]I don't know why, but people seem to keep opening up to me about cheating after we play together for a while. Possibly because I'm very passive and don't set out to kill people, they tend to be like why didn't you try and kill me? *much confusion* and so trust builds. Anyway, my steam list is only 20 or so rust players, I deleted 5 yesterday who all had been banned. About half I had no idea about while the others just opened up to me for whatever reason. There's two more that I know off who are actively hacking on my friends list using public free hacks found all over google. Its a bit of a joke that they haven't been banned yet, its well over a month now. People hear hacker and assume the worst kind of scum who just KOS and trolls people, quite a few of these guys were down to earth and passive like me. Perhaps they just wanted a small edge. Either way, I'm slowly realising there are vastly more cheaters than I first thought.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I opened this thread about. "non-grief" based hackers, the ones that do it reactively, i.e. in retaliation for getting raided or when they're upset about losing. They're all over the place and never end up actually getting banned. Why is this?? Facepunch?

[QUOTE=gerbs;44471255]Hi, I'll keep this simple -- Are there any updates regarding hacking / cheating prevention for the Official servers? I've seen nothing official nor any positive news on the issue for months. Am I missing something or is this just not a serious concern right now?[/QUOTE] Cheatpunch was implimented the second week of February banning thousands of cheaters and is still catching them. A third anti-cheat measure EAC is also in the works to be implemented into Rust. Not to mention the VAC waves are still happening. If you haven't heard any updates regarding cheat prevention or positive news for months then you haven't been paying attention.

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44474240]Cheatpunch was implimented the second week of February banning thousands of cheaters and is still catching them. A third anti-cheat measure EAC is also in the works to be implemented into Rust. If you haven't heard any updates regarding cheat prevention or positive news for months then you haven't been paying attention.[/QUOTE] I've been paying attention. I play the game a few hours a day. It is still [b]absolutely littered[/b] with hackers; especially those who come out of the woodwork randomly and not just terrorizing servers. The game play has not changed at all, every time I log in and get into a gameplay session, I run into at least one hacker within 15-20 minutes. Why has this not yet been fixed? They can claim they've implemented 3 different cheating solutions. Actions speak louder than words. None of it has been effective to PREVENT cheating. It's thus far been a whole lot of retroactive bullshit that hasn't yet made a significant difference.

[QUOTE=gerbs;44474253]I've been paying attention. I play the game a few hours a day. It is still [b]absolutely littered[/b] with hackers; especially those who come out of the woodwork randomly and not just terrorizing servers. The game play has not changed at all, every time I log in and get into a gameplay session, I run into at least one hacker within 15-20 minutes. Why has this not yet been fixed? They can claim they've implemented 3 different cheating solutions. Actions speak louder than words. None of it has been effective to PREVENT cheating. It's thus far been a whole lot of retroactive bullshit that hasn't yet made a significant difference.[/QUOTE] Well, if you find any online games that are hacker free please let us know. You know who I bet has this whole hacker thing figured out? EA and Activision! They're AAA companies and they both make over 4 billion a year.

We have just launched a server with a custom plugin that requires players to have 25+ played hours in Rust in order to join the server. If they don't that cannot join. Why? Most hackers play on fresh steam/rust accounts that have little to no played time on them. From our testing its not very likely to have a hacker have more than 50+ hours on the server but we lowered requirement to 25+. If anyone wants to take a look - 142.4.219.215:28035 Goal is to have the server as clean as possible with 24/7 active admins and this plug-in.

[QUOTE=Kry0n;44474436] Most hackers play on fresh steam/rust accounts that have little to no played time on them. [/QUOTE] Did you read thru this thread at all? The main discussion is towards the fact that the players hacking blend in with everyone else and are going on for months without being banned. The last 10+ hackers I've been killed by all have well over your silly 25+ requirement. Even if it was 300 it wouldn't matter. [url]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198089462995/[/url] [url]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198084109569/[/url] [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/ForsakenVengance/[/url] Those are just an example from the last 24 hours of hackers I've been killed by.. Notice the hundreds of hours. And they still continue to play, and hack, and nothing happens. Ineffective 'requirements' like hour restrictions will do nothing. Also, according to the server rules - [b]- ADVERTISING YOUR RUST SERVER IN RANDOM THREADS IS ALSO A BAD IDEA AND BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN. Unless the thread was specifically made to request server suggestions, DON'T do it. [/b]

The server I play on is moderated by 3 guys that use hacks, say what you will about that but nobody can tell a hacker better than a hacker, they dont engage in pvp or anything and there has literally been no issues with hackers since the server went live, they also can see who is building in rocks and take care of that

[QUOTE=Atorias;44476470]The server I play on is moderated by 3 guys that use hacks, say what you will about that but nobody can tell a hacker better than a hacker, they dont engage in pvp or anything and there has literally been no issues with hackers since the server went live, they also can see who is building in rocks and take care of that[/QUOTE] This is a shitty excuse to play with hacks. Also it supports the argument that players are [b]required[/b] to pick between Rust w/ Hacking (public servers) or Rust w/ Power-hungry Admins (private servers), or in your case both.

[QUOTE=gerbs;44477406]This is a shitty excuse to play with hacks. Also it supports the argument that players are [b]required[/b] to pick between Rust w/ Hacking (public servers) or Rust w/ Power-hungry Admins (private servers), or in your case both.[/QUOTE] Or they can just not play for a while. Nobody is forced to play Rust.

[QUOTE=Back Stabbath;44471702]The dude with 700 hours is either incredibly naive or full of shit. Every server has hackers. The problem is absolutely rediculous in this game and morons with thier heads in the sand (him) are a huge part of the problem. I am hoping this new anti hack will be wonderful and I have high hopes for it . Although at this point I think some coding improvements further into game development will help more. The only thing worse than the hacking at this point is having to deal with the fuming admin groups on the non official servers. Every single one , no matter what is said further on in this thread abuses on some level. I really wish it wasn't a choice between the two. At least some of the admins are less blatant about it.[/QUOTE] While some of your points are valid, do you ever have anything nice to say? You don't speak for [I]everyone ever[/I], so saying things like, "no matter what is said further on this thread [insert your argument here] trumps everything because [I]this is my experience,"[/I] or, "morons with their heads in the sand," just makes you [I]look [/I]like a dick. I'm another idiot with my head in the sand who hasn't had more than 2 or 3 isolated instances of hackers on community servers in the past few months, (260 hours) and while I have had issues w/ admin abuse, I've found several servers where admin abuse is either so slight that it's not an issue or it's non-existant, [B]seriously[/B]. Not trying to be rude, but I've seen other posts you make, and you come off as [I]very [/I]abrasive.

i play on north america 1 and 4 both servers have almost as many hackers a reg players .. it is a giant problem. I refuse to quit because of them but it is very frustrating. Gen Geddy is a hacker on na1 that controls all airdrops and gives out hacks to his minons. So he has built an entire clan of hackers. I keep playing and I cant wait for the day that these guys all get banned.

UK 3 had oneday 18 hackers online, this is unplayable. Either live with hackers or abusive admins on private servers.

I only have about 170 hours and though its been a few weeks since I played I didn't notice much for hackers at all. Low pop servers seem to be hacker free and for the most part have decent admins or at the very least non active admins, I've only been on one server with an abusive admin. Again this just the perspective of someone who plays on servers with 15 or less people on average. For a lot of others they wont be satisfied with 50 or more players and that tends to attract hackers.

on the offiziall Server german 2 are two hackers playin for over 3 weeks still not banned hope this hack shit stops soon dont make fun to Play this game anymore

Facepunch, any updates here? Or...?

Any updates on hacking/cheating prevention or are we still waiting?

[QUOTE=gerbs;44527859]Any updates on hacking/cheating prevention or are we still waiting?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://playrust.com/friday-devblog-3/"]Devblog[/URL] was yesterday, wasn't mentioned so we're waiting. I imagine once the hardcode issues are fixed the next focuses will be content and hack prevention.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;44528056][URL="http://playrust.com/friday-devblog-3/"]Devblog[/URL] was yesterday, wasn't mentioned so we're waiting. I imagine once the hardcode issues are fixed the next focuses will be content and hack prevention.[/QUOTE] This is what I disagree with... Hack prevention needs to be "baked-in" right from the get-go, otherwise it'll be a pathetic whack-a-mole effort to patch what the hackers break into. Proper server-side verifications, code obfuscation and encryption would go an enormous way to stopping the basically amateur-level hacks that are being sold now.

[QUOTE=RustBubba;44529642]This is what I disagree with... Hack prevention needs to be "baked-in" right from the get-go, otherwise it'll be a pathetic whack-a-mole effort to patch what the hackers break into. Proper server-side verifications, code obfuscation and encryption would go an enormous way to stopping the basically amateur-level hacks that are being sold now.[/QUOTE] Agreed, gotta have the grains planted first before you can bake the bread though. They just started with some crappy grains so they're replacing them with better ones right now.

[QUOTE=RustBubba;44529642]Proper server-side verifications ... would go an enormous way to stopping the basically amateur-level hacks that are being sold now.[/QUOTE] Rust doesn't have serverside verification right now because: a) it would slow down the updates even more, and b) it would be a big hit on the already-bad server performance The devs are well aware of their options, but some things require a lot of work before they're ready to pull the trigger. Think of how pathetic it is to buy hacks for an [I]alpha[/I].