Legacy Rust - Time to let it go? - Rust

I think it might be time to simply let go of legacy rust via steam altogether. The code will never get updated, we knwo that. There are as of this week people that can teleport, insta kill people by name in pvp and no pvp, and finally no clip through any object without being disconnected for facepunch violations and without the infamous sleeping bag glitch. I think maybe it's time to let it go. Thoughts?

If some people enjoy it, and it has minimal or no resource cost for FacePunch to allow people to play it, why take it away? If the goal is to get more people playing the new rust, the approach should be to persuade them through improved gameplay to switch over, not by turning off the old one and not allowing them to choose. I think the latter might backfire.

There are actually more people playing legacy at this point than the new version. If you load into legacy you can see the thousands of people on those servers. Part of this is because many people can play legacy but not the new Rust because it is not yet optimized for older computers. Why would you want to take away the only option for playing Rust for those people? Plus if so many find it a better game (at this point), why get rid of it? Just leave it as is. Hackers in legacy Rust as much, much less on smaller servers, and some servers either actively ban them, or use Oxide to auto ban hackers. You can have a pretty good experience on legacy, depending on what you are looking for. Not every server is rampant with hackers in legacy.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47075288]There are actually more people playing legacy at this point than the new version.[/QUOTE] Can you please disclose your source? Here is mine I took the top 100 servers from [url]https://www.gametracker.com/search/rust/?&searchipp=50[/url] I trimmed down the list to make them equal length and got the sum. (there were 20 more populated servers for new than legacy) I have 1487 current players for New and 957 for Legacy. This data was taken at about 2:55pm CST [CODE] 102 Procedural Map 234 rust_island_2013 97 Procedural Map 69 rust_island_2013 93 Procedural Map 40 rust_island_2013 75 Procedural Map 40 rust_island_2013 66 Procedural Map 40 rust_island_2013 60 Procedural Map 40 rust_island_2013 56 Procedural Map 35 rust_island_2013 56 Procedural Map 34 rust_island_2013 53 Procedural Map 33 rust_island_2013 53 Procedural Map 31 rust_island_2013 47 Procedural Map 31 rust_island_2013 41 Procedural Map 29 rust_island_2013 36 Procedural Map 22 rust_island_2013 36 Procedural Map 21 rust_island_2013 36 Procedural Map 21 rust_island_2013 35 Procedural Map 20 rust_island_2013 35 Procedural Map 17 rust_island_2013 35 Procedural Map 16 rust_island_2013 34 Procedural Map 15 rust_island_2013 33 Procedural Map 15 rust_island_2013 32 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 28 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 25 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 24 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 24 Procedural Map 12 rust_island_2013 22 Procedural Map 11 rust_island_2013 22 Procedural Map 10 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 10 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 8 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 8 rust_island_2013 20 Procedural Map 7 rust_island_2013 20 Procedural Map 7 rust_island_2013 19 Procedural Map 7 rust_island_2013 18 Procedural Map 6 rust_island_2013 18 Procedural Map 5 rust_island_2013 16 Procedural Map 4 rust_island_2013 15 Procedural Map 3 rust_island_2013 15 Procedural Map 2 rust_island_2013 14 Procedural Map 0 rust_island_2013 13 Procedural Map 0 rust_island_2013 [/CODE]

Steamcharts shows 12K-13K players on Rust total, and it's hard to believe the other 9-10K just have it open but not connected to a server, does gametracker see all servers? I honestly don't know much about site. Edit: After browsing a bit, it seems to only show servers that have been specifically added to its list.

I wonder if there is way way to scrape it from in game? Even so, it is still more of a telling metric than just guessing. I was worried that having it sorted by rank might skew so I re-ran it sorting on #players [url]https://www.gametracker.com/search/rust/?&searchipp=50&sort=c_numplayers&order=DESC[/url] 1597 New 1244 Legacy [CODE] 105 Procedural Map 234 rust_island_2013 95 Procedural Map 60 rust_island_2013 79 Procedural Map 57 rust_island_2013 74 Procedural Map 54 rust_island_2013 68 Procedural Map 50 rust_island_2013 58 Procedural Map 47 rust_island_2013 55 Procedural Map 43 rust_island_2013 52 Procedural Map 40 rust_island_2013 48 Procedural Map 38 rust_island_2013 48 Procedural Map 34 rust_island_2013 47 Procedural Map 31 rust_island_2013 45 Procedural Map 29 rust_island_2013 41 Procedural Map 28 rust_island_2013 38 Procedural Map 28 rust_island_2013 38 Procedural Map 26 rust_island_2013 37 Procedural Map 25 rust_island_2013 37 Procedural Map 23 rust_island_2013 35 Procedural Map 20 rust_island_2013 32 Procedural Map 20 rust_island_2013 31 Procedural Map 20 rust_island_2013 31 Procedural Map 19 rust_island_2013 30 Procedural Map 19 rust_island_2013 30 Procedural Map 17 rust_island_2013 30 Procedural Map 17 rust_island_2013 29 Procedural Map 16 rust_island_2013 29 Procedural Map 16 rust_island_2013 26 Procedural Map 16 rust_island_2013 26 Procedural Map 15 rust_island_2013 25 Procedural Map 15 rust_island_2013 24 Procedural Map 15 rust_island_2013 22 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 22 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 22 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 14 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 21 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 20 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 20 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 18 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 16 Procedural Map 13 rust_island_2013 15 Procedural Map 12 rust_island_2013 15 Procedural Map 12 rust_island_2013 [/CODE]

[QUOTE=utilitron;47075857]I wonder if there is way way to scrape it from in game? Even so, it is still more of a telling metric than just guessing.[/QUOTE] Previous comparisons would take the 'x number of players on y servers' from the legacy server screen and compare 'x' to the number of total players on the steam charts page. I haven't checked recently but I bet it's getting closer.

[QUOTE=StryfeKhaos;47076081]Previous comparisons would take the 'x number of players on y servers' from the legacy server screen and compare 'x' to the number of total players on the steam charts page. I haven't checked recently but I bet it's getting closer.[/QUOTE] Would be more beneficial to compare the players in each app rather than vs steam charts. Not sure how steam is calculating this data. Steam charts gets it's data from [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/stats/"]here[/URL] Rust is currently the #15 game on steam.

[url]http://www.playrusthq.com/stats[/url] This takes into account players [I]actually on the servers[/I] and playing. It updates every 30 minutes. Use those numbers to compare against Steam Charts, and you have your Legacy vs Experimental/Live numbers.

[QUOTE=iDyn;47076178][url]http://www.playrusthq.com/stats[/url] This takes into account players [I]actually on the servers[/I] and playing. It updates every 30 minutes. Use those numbers to compare against Steam Charts, and you have your Legacy vs Experimental/Live numbers.[/QUOTE] Steam stats: 12,874 current players PRHQ stats: 6,682 current new-Rust players Legacy players and people on the title: 6,192 New and old are roughly at parity, if this number is at all representative.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47076199]Steam stats: 12,874 current players PRHQ stats: 6,682 current new-Rust players Legacy players and people on the title: 6,192 New and old are roughly at parity, if this number is at all representative.[/QUOTE] I'll get it crawling and plotting Legacy. It might make a good comparison graph! (Also worth noting that with the new UI, we can see how many players there are in total for each server category. PRHQs gives slightly higher than in the game client so I need to check that out.)

Total Players: [img]http://files.facepunch.com/garry/2015/February/04/2015-02-04_22-27-43.png[/img] Total On New Version: [img]http://files.facepunch.com/garry/2015/February/04/2015-02-04_22-29-30.png[/img] We don't keep stats on legacy - but I guess you can work it out by subtracting. I dunno how accurate any of these stats are tho. I don't know how reliable the stats from the server crawling sites are because of the fake player counts.

When you run the legacy Rust app, and you see the servers, are these both new Rust and legacy Rust servers? What happens if you try to join a new Rust server using the legacy App and vice versa. A few weekends ago the legacy app showed 14K players online (which I am guessing is both versions). I find it pretty interesting that so many people are still playing legacy. I have a feeling a lot of old Rust players do not get good FPS or performance on the new Rust. For me that is one of the big factors that keep me playing on legacy. I can't see graphics at high settings on new Rust.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47077240]When you run the legacy Rust app, and you see the servers, are these both new Rust and legacy Rust servers? What happens if you try to join a new Rust server using the legacy App and vice versa. A few weekends ago the legacy app showed 14K players online (which I am guessing is both versions). I find it pretty interesting that so many people are still playing legacy. I have a feeling a lot of old Rust players do not get good FPS or performance on the new Rust. For me that is one of the big factors that keep me playing on legacy. I can't see graphics at high settings on new Rust.[/QUOTE] If you haven't tried since the update last weekend give it another shot. I think there was some optimization done. A wipe alone couldn't explain how much smoother it runs for me now. Strangely it runs smoother on "faster" than "fastest" for me and I only realized recently, so my improvement might be partly that.

Thanks plantfood! I will try it.

I let it go along ago and started playing New Rust. At this point, why wouldn't you? With explosives returning in the next update, New Rust is now essentially Legacy with a fresh coat of paint and less hackers. Even the classic Legacy map will be added back in as an option with entirely new assets at some point. So, the game will be essentially Legacy 2.0 at that point. Why some people still play Legacy right now baffles me, to be honest. I get that New Rust isn't exactly a 1:1 copy of Legacy in terms of mechanics, but its so similar, yet improved, that I really don't see why people are still clinging to it so much.

I have two games for the price of one, I like it that way. No need to change it, no one gets hurt. Hackers still enjoy it there.

I dont care if it doesnt get updated to me its still better than experimental and if experimental doesnt become more like legacy ill be playing legacy for every [editline]5th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=cinderstar;47077240]When you run the legacy Rust app, and you see the servers, are these both new Rust and legacy Rust servers? What happens if you try to join a new Rust server using the legacy App and vice versa. A few weekends ago the legacy app showed 14K players online (which I am guessing is both versions). I find it pretty interesting that so many people are still playing legacy. I have a feeling a lot of old Rust players do not get good FPS or performance on the new Rust. For me that is one of the big factors that keep me playing on legacy. I can't see graphics at high settings on new Rust.[/QUOTE] its not about fps its about the gameplay on legacy is so much better raiding is fun on legacy its not just wacky wack wack to get into a base

Personally, legacy is the game I actually bought. Current rust is an added bonus =OP Keep legacy, there is a sort of Je ne sais quoi ... Let's just say it's what drew me here in the first place. (thinking back in retro now, when I bought the game I had no idea zombies were present until one of those mother f'rs came out of no where and killed me. Good times!)

[QUOTE=Travis10123;47079113]I dont care if it doesnt get updated to me its still better than experimental and if experimental doesnt become more like legacy ill be playing legacy for every [editline]5th February 2015[/editline] its not about fps its about the gameplay on legacy is so much better raiding is fun on legacy its not just wacky wack wack to get into a base[/QUOTE] I agree. I prefer the legacy gameplay at this point, and think it is better. But at some later point I expect new Rust to become better. For me, it is not there yet. Also, the fact that legacy runs much better on my PC makes me prefer it.

old rust was able to get good fps and it didn't need to look shit to get that decent 60+ @ 1080p. new rust looks like crap just trying to keep it above 20fps, and lowering gfx makes it looks so bad I swear source environments could look better, I'd like to think its all that fucking waving grass that I don't give a shit about seeing, maybe garry plans on adding crawling through grass as feature. Optimization and settings are not where they need to be whatever the cause for such fps though, seems like the new unity5 engine chokes cpu doing other shit that the gpu barely gets much work sent its way if only unity was better for multicores. And no way is new Rust better than old Rust, its got this fartsy design to it where legacy Rust didn't give a shit that you could craft a modern looking weapons and shoot bears carrying fucking backpacks, just don't care for the artwork. [quote]New Rust is now essentially Legacy with a fresh coat of paint and less hackers.[/quote] The 'fresh' coat of paint is like looking at modern art, its shit and has no meaning, I don't even care for random gen, its not exactly generating interesting maps, you seen one you've seem them all, its kinda like legacy only every server has its own 'seeded' variation on it. Sure its scenic, and fucking boring, also game feels like a walking simulator, why can't I build a raft, or make some sort of vehicle, maybe when there is more wildlife and non player made structures in the world it will be better. Also stats don't account for the fact most users can't be arsed to change steam game versions generally.. to see that many still opting to play legacy should say something.

[QUOTE=Kooglio;47080223]old rust was able to get good fps and it didn't need to look shit to get that decent 60+ @ 1080p. new rust looks like crap just trying to keep it above 20fps, and lowering gfx makes it looks so bad I swear source environments could look better ... Also stats don't account for the fact most users can't be arsed to change steam game versions generally.. to see that many still opting to play legacy should say something.[/QUOTE] Pretty much everything you said is true. New Rust looks worse than legacy when you turn down the view distance to try to get a decent FPS. Of course you will be attacked for daring to say some things are still better in legacy. And people will say you are rude and whining and dismiss your post because you used "fuck" - which is stupid as all fuck. You pretty much nailed a lot of problems with new Rust at this point. And yes, we know it will get better.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47079981]I agree. I prefer the legacy gameplay at this point, and think it is better. But at some later point I expect new Rust to become better. For me, it is not there yet. Also, the fact that legacy runs much better on my PC makes me prefer it.[/QUOTE] Looking at the latest changes to rust experimental gives me hope but we shall see [editline]6th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kooglio;47080223]old rust was able to get good fps and it didn't need to look shit to get that decent 60+ @ 1080p. new rust looks like crap just trying to keep it above 20fps, and lowering gfx makes it looks so bad I swear source environments could look better, I'd like to think its all that fucking waving grass that I don't give a shit about seeing, maybe garry plans on adding crawling through grass as feature. Optimization and settings are not where they need to be whatever the cause for such fps though, seems like the new unity5 engine chokes cpu doing other shit that the gpu barely gets much work sent its way if only unity was better for multicores. And no way is new Rust better than old Rust, its got this fartsy design to it where legacy Rust didn't give a shit that you could craft a modern looking weapons and shoot bears carrying fucking backpacks, just don't care for the artwork. The 'fresh' coat of paint is like looking at modern art, its shit and has no meaning, I don't even care for random gen, its not exactly generating interesting maps, you seen one you've seem them all, its kinda like legacy only every server has its own 'seeded' variation on it. Sure its scenic, and fucking boring, also game feels like a walking simulator, why can't I build a raft, or make some sort of vehicle, maybe when there is more wildlife and non player made structures in the world it will be better. Also stats don't account for the fact most users can't be arsed to change steam game versions generally.. to see that many still opting to play legacy should say something.[/QUOTE] 10/10 on your modern art comparison that is exactly how I feel about experimental

[QUOTE=iDyn;47076309]I'll get it crawling and plotting Legacy. It might make a good comparison graph! (Also worth noting that with the new UI, we can see how many players there are in total for each server category. PRHQs gives slightly higher than in the game client so I need to check that out.)[/QUOTE] Awesome. Let me know if you want any help.

[QUOTE=Kooglio;47080223]The 'fresh' coat of paint is like looking at modern art, its shit and has no meaning[/QUOTE] Ahh, it's the, "My uneducated opinion is worth just as much as your educated one." idea. You sure you're not American?

[QUOTE=frank_walls;47082346]Ahh, it's the, "My uneducated opinion is worth just as much as your educated one." idea. You sure you're not American?[/QUOTE] Maybe his opinion[I][B] is[/B] [/I]worth just as much as yours.

[QUOTE=Kooglio;47080223]Also stats don't account for the fact most users can't be arsed to change steam game versions generally.. to see that many still opting to play legacy should say something.[/QUOTE] Erm... There's a popup window where you choose the version every time you launch the game [editline]5th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kooglio;47080223]I'd like to think its all that fucking waving grass that I don't give a shit about seeing, maybe garry plans on adding crawling through grass as feature.[/QUOTE] It's not the grass. This has been stated (with profiling information provided to prove that it's not the grass) over and over again.

[QUOTE=cinderstar;47082434]Maybe his opinion[I][B] is[/B] [/I]worth just as much as yours.[/QUOTE] Why? Also, while it may have been implied, I didn't mean my opinion was more valuable.

Very simple answer to this question, NO. Rust Legacy and New Rust are NOT the same game whatsoever and the New Rust doesn't in any way [B]replace[/B] Legacy in the eyes of Legacy players so you shouldn't take it away imo, they paid 20 bucks for it. Removing the choice would be seriously rude. [editline]6th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rahu X;47078997] Why some people still play Legacy right now baffles me, to be honest. I get that New Rust isn't exactly a 1:1 copy of Legacy in terms of mechanics, but its so similar, yet improved, that I really don't see why people are still clinging to it so much.[/QUOTE] In one word: PVP. PvP is the main reason for the majority of Legacy players to still play Legacy. It works well in general, well balanced (except for shotgun range maybe), hitscan and has a lot of competitiveness to it making groups of players compete against each other basically. For me personally if PvP isn't changed in the New Rust it will never replace Legacy for me, not even close.

i wouldn't like it removed entirely, but i appreciate that no further work is being put into it. i like to go back and play legacy sometimes for nostalgia;)