What is Griefing - Rust - Facepunch Forum

We've all heard the term thrown around, but I am trying to understand what the common consensus it is for this game. What is that little line that differentiates strategy and Griefing?

Griefing is intentional misuse of the game to cause grief to other players, as the name would imply.

When you raid someone's house and replace the doors with your own, or do something similar that does not directly gain you anything, but seriously ruins someone else

Strategy: Blowing down the walls of an enemy's base and raiding it. Griefing: Exploiting bugs in the building placement rules to fill the enemy's base with walls and foundations, making it unusable and possibly trapping people in corners when they log back in, requiring them to destroy their sleeping bag and then suicide to get out.

There is difference I think from building stairs or whatnot to get into someone's base and making the base unusable. The latter being griefing.

when the strategy is not beneficial

[QUOTE=Maegis.AVON;43972321]When you raid someone's house and replace the doors with your own, or do something similar that does not directly gain you anything, but seriously ruins someone else[/QUOTE] Eh, not really. As long as it's fully raided then replacing the doors with your own is just a way to prevent them from re-building and forcing them to move off your territory. But the people who don't actually raid it and just place down their own doors for shit and giggles, THAT is griefing.

Griefing is typically used to describe the excessive lengths raiders go to just to make their targets angry, or to force them out. Includes: Replacing all doors in your base (replacing them with unlocked doors might even be more perturbing than replacing them with locked doors, come to think of it). Destroying your stairs and putting in ceilings. Building a box around your house with no doors so you can't escape. Destroying all your storage boxes. Filling your house with spike walls. Dropping pillars on foundations you haven't built on yet.

i wouldnt know. i just get murdered every time on my first day of survival.

The only time I was griefed I had a shelter built around me and a door put on. I was then told to dance naked and if I did they would let me out. At first I was super pissed so I suicided rather than take the humility. Then my real life buddy that with me had the same guys do it to him. They asked him to dance naked and he did and he invited one of them in to dance naked with him. I respawned and snuck up and was going to grief them back when I saw a guy looking through a hole in the wall so he could watch my buddy and his friend dance naked. I've never laughed so hard in a game before. Too funny...my friend and I were on steam chat and it was a riot. The other guys were laughing pretty hard too.

can admin know who placed stuff? is there an ID on those items? can they ban people who do it?

But making someone's base unusuable is a strategy. If I don't want you around my house, I guess I 'grief' you intill you leave. Kill you over and over, place doors and walls in your house. It's fun being territorial in this game, and it DOES matter, there's not enough resources to go around on a mildly populated server.

[QUOTE=NightfallTH;43972684]can admin know who placed stuff? is there an ID on those items? can they ban people who do it?[/QUOTE] Admins can do whatever they want, but banning for playing the game is pretty absurd unless the server has specific rules on this.

[QUOTE=NightfallTH;43972684]can admin know who placed stuff? is there an ID on those items? can they ban people who do it?[/QUOTE] There isn't, I played on one server though that would ban you if you blocked people in, forcing you to get creative in claiming your piece of the map. It was fun though.

The term came to prominence in Minecraft. I would define "griefing" as intentionally destroying another players work. Whether that is raiding or just to be mean, I would consider both to be "griefing." Did you cause the other player grief over his ruined work? Yes? That's griefing.

[QUOTE=Dionysus9;43973857]The term came to prominence in Minecraft. I would define "griefing" as intentionally destroying another players work. Whether that is raiding or just to be mean, I would consider both to be "griefing." Did you cause the other player grief over his ruined work? Yes? That's griefing.[/QUOTE] The term predates Minecraft. Even back in 2004/5 there was an infamous rogue on my Vanilla WoW server named Griefer and the term was widely known. It came to prominence probably with UO or Everquest or some other 90s multiplayer game, but it was already a popular term when I started gaming.

[QUOTE=G3wd B3rg3r;43972775]But making someone's base unusuable is a strategy. If I don't want you around my house, I guess I 'grief' you intill you leave. Kill you over and over, place doors and walls in your house. It's fun being territorial in this game, and it DOES matter, there's not enough resources to go around on a mildly populated server.[/QUOTE] This is the tough on. I can see a valid strat of putting walls in, since those are destructible to some degree - doors as well. Where I'd draw the line is when folks put pillars in or about your house, and same with ceilings in the middle. Those are indestructible, and it feels like using a loophole in the game mechanics to make hours and hours of someone's work go the way of the do-do.

The reality of this issue is that you can't stop people from playing how they are going to play. I tried to enforce no griefing once, and it didn't work and probably never will. With no real tools to stop them, find out who it even was, or the ability to remove items makes it impossible to do much about it. Most of the playerbase understood the rules, and didn't grief, but they also did not build their house to battle any grief bandits out there. So when it happens, and it did, they get angry at the fact that I can't do anything about it, or know who did it. I really got sick of logging on, and in the first minute have 10 people ask me to TP to them to look at their house and how it was griefed and what I would do. These are also the people who get angry that they got raided and leave the server. If your house gets raided/griefed, build a new house. I'm tired of babysitting whiners, so my new rule, is no rules. Play and raid how you want as long as you are not cheating. If Facepunch doesn't want you to play in a manner that they don't see appropriate they will alter the game in upcoming patches. But you have to find all the loop holes before you fix them.

[QUOTE=FlippyT;43972337]Eh, not really. As long as it's fully raided then replacing the doors with your own is just a way to prevent them from re-building and forcing them to move off your territory. But the people who don't actually raid it and just place down their own doors for shit and giggles, THAT is griefing.[/QUOTE] Yeah the "make them miserable" strategy has some downfalls that if everybody did it all the time you would have a great server population of 1. I actually go by the code that if you live next to me you are neighbor and I don't raid neighbor's. Now if that person is killing you all the time then have at it but there has to be provocation in my opinion to be a jerk.

In simple terms, Griefing is just pissing people off for[B] teh lulz!11[/B] Such as the old teleporter glitch in TF2 which would trap you in the map untill someone else kills you

I understand trying to get someone to move but you can destroy most of a home w/o placing unnecessary pillars/stairs/etc. Take a house down to the foundation/pillars seems acceptable to me but when you make something unusable that is my line for griefing.

I find it funny that people complain of specific actions in an "open world environment" type game.

[QUOTE=-Truth-;43972329]There is difference I think from building stairs or whatnot to get into someone's base and making the base unusable. The latter being griefing.[/QUOTE] Why ? Thats not griefing. Destroying a base can be very important. Dont make lame excuses for yourself. Oh and if it means unusable, than yes, of course. Somehow i got the impression, that even attacking you is griefing, but its not hello kitty, you should put some effort into the game, maybe.

[QUOTE=G3wd B3rg3r;43972775]But making someone's base unusuable is a strategy. If I don't want you around my house, I guess I 'grief' you intill you leave. Kill you over and over, place doors and walls in your house. It's fun being territorial in this game, and it DOES matter, there's not enough resources to go around on a mildly populated server.[/QUOTE] lol, you are a piece of sh*t, ruining other peoples experience cuz you need to make yourself feel good raiding: part of the game pvping: part of the game killing naked people: part of the game resskilling over and over: part of the game griefing, placing pillars on someones hard work so they have to call an admin and you have your power-fantasy with your co/** out: not part of the game I spit on you

[QUOTE=PoppinHeads;43974931]I find it funny that people complain of specific actions in an "open world environment" type game.[/QUOTE] Because some of the mechanics are broken and the map is small.

[QUOTE=Warm;43975067]Because some of the mechanics are broken and the map is small.[/QUOTE] It's Alpha...hence the small map and broken mechanics.

griefing is a silent scream for love.

[QUOTE=NightfallTH;43975065]lol, you are a piece of sh*t, ruining other peoples experience cuz you need to make yourself feel good raiding: part of the game pvping: part of the game killing naked people: part of the game resskilling over and over: part of the game griefing, placing pillars on someones hard work so they have to call an admin and you have your power-fantasy with your co/** out: not part of the game I spit on you[/QUOTE] Really? If I just hatcheted your fucking boxes and blew down everything would you be just as pissed? This game is DESIGNED to destroy other people's shit, making it unsuable via a pillar/new doors/cieling rather then a hatchet, grenades, and c4 has the SAME outcome. If you didn't want to lose shit maybe this game isnt for you. I doubt it'll be as easy with the ownership thing they're putting it in, but trust me, someone will find a way to surround your house, and really grief you by trapping you and fucking with you. I don't do it to piss anyone off, well, not personally. Only to make them move, You have problems if you can't find the logic in that, and if you're really that mad you have to spend 30 minutes to build another house somewhere. It's funny cause I never get raided, I only make 1x1 houses, and have about 3-4 on the server I play on. I just think you don't know how to play right.

[QUOTE=RallyCar;43974347]Yeah the "make them miserable" strategy has some downfalls that if everybody did it all the time you would have a great server population of 1. I actually go by the code that if you live next to me you are neighbor and I don't raid neighbor's. Now if that person is killing you all the time then have at it but there has to be provocation in my opinion to be a jerk.[/QUOTE] I 100% agree, the server me and my crew played on was 50 people max and my crew was about 25 strong, and it seems like the rest was griefers, we got tired of it and left, now that server lost half of its population and eventually the rest will get sick of dealing with each other as well. as far as the neighbor thing goes i 100% agree, why piss of someone who's setting up shop right next to you that you could trade with and have as an ally for when other people try to harass you

I admit it. I grief people. Why? Because I can. Same reason that stacked kevlar guys kill spawn noobs...because they can. Get it over it, or find a new game. Either way, doesn't matter to me.