I currently have a suicide base on a server. At first it was all wood, surrounded by pillars. Basically unraidable. After about 2 weeks of collecting and saving, I used the server remove tool and took down the wood base and put up a metal copy of it for fun. All was good for awhile, no one tried to build in, no griefers, then last night that all changed. I logged into the game to find myself in the middle of a field with a rock, bandages, and torch. I quickly ran back to my base to see 2 players jumping 3 stories up to a door they had c4'd. Apparently there is some kind of Large Storage Box super jump glitch to jump super high. (I say it was hacks, but back to the story) I notified the admins and owner of the server that Ive been pretty good friends with. After some discussion with the people that jumped in and the owners they claim that because it was a suicide base, it was just as bad as them exploiting/hacking to jump up to the door. They get to keep my stuff and no one gets banned, even though it states in the rules of the server that exploiting will result in an instant ban.
TL;DR version. My suicide base got hacked/glitched into. Am I wrong to think that hacking and exploiting is on a much much worse level than a suicide base using no exploits and the core game mechanics?
I also make a suicide base out of ease of use. Id much rather build a suicide base than a base with 150 metal doors to open and close every time I want to get in and out of my base. They both take close to the same materials, and are basically equally unraidable.
The list of stuff taken is pretty long, including 50 c4, 1500 LQM, tons of guns, ammo, wood, resources, kev.
if you can design a base that makes it hard for people to raid, props to you.
i hope the admin decides to ban the hackers, the story of large storage box is bull.
suicide bases are an exploit imo. to make it impossible for someone to raid your base is clearly not intended to be a feature of the game.
I don't really have an opinion on them, but apparently a few servers ban suicide bases (last time I was playing).
If it is an exploit, then they need to remove sleeping bags. Which is not going to happen. A suicide base is no different than a regular base. You die outside, you spawn inside. If they remove the suicide command in the f1 console, you can just run into a mutant or jump into the water abyss of doom.
defending and raiding bases is a core mechanic, and the only real endgame. you are attempting to remove a key element of risk and danger from the game. creating a base that is impossible to raid defeats the point of rust.
My view on it is, why go through the annoyance of having to make an 80 floor tower maze with 200 doors to go through when it is basically unraidable as the suicide base? Saves me the 10 minutes of squeaky metal doors opening and closing.
[QUOTE=BateMaster;44189831]My view on it is, why go through the annoyance of having to make an 80 floor tower maze with 200 doors to go through when it is basically unraidable as the suicide base? Saves me the 10 minutes of squeaky metal doors opening and closing.[/QUOTE]
So somebody who supposedly had 50 C4 which is enough for 25 doors think it's ok that he has a base that's completely impenetrable while making a base that A. required the remove tool to even create and B. has a large storage crate sticking through a solid metal door to transfer items.
You exploited the remove tool, the box through a door is also a bug you are abusing IMO and you're angry when somebody uses the crate jump bug to counter it. Admins shouldn't allow these bases.
So your ultimate stance on this is that every single person on a server should make one of these and then raiding no longer exists or only you and your friends should get to have an unraidable base?
This is probably not a coincidence since me and a friend just raided a base exactly as you described, except it was 32 C4 in there, not 50. If you're who I think you are then your friend was also banned for aimbotting :)
[QUOTE=laminblake;44189714]suicide bases are an exploit imo. to make it impossible for someone to raid your base is clearly not intended to be a feature of the game.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Placing barricades on pillars is an exploit. The old glitch of placing sleeping bags into shacks through the cracks in wood is an exploit. Utilizing your camp respawn with a sleeping bag or a bed in order to reach your base is ingenious and does not use any glitches or bad code.
[QUOTE=Kanegasi;44189916]I disagree. Placing barricades on pillars is an exploit. The old glitch of placing sleeping bags into shacks through the cracks in wood is an exploit. Utilizing your camp respawn with a sleeping bag or a bed in order to reach your base is ingenious and does not use any glitches or bad code.[/QUOTE]
What about the fact that he admits to using the /remove tool in order to build his how he did? I'd say that's exploiting the remove tool addon at the very least. Unraidable bases defeat the purpose of the game. I do agree that the barricades on pillars SHOULD be considered an exploit, but I'm always outnumbered in that argument. Admins do nothing about it, players say it's a "game mechanic".
[QUOTE=chicken-;44189924]What about the fact that he admits to using the /remove tool in order to build his how he did?[/QUOTE]
I think you mis-read his post. He used the remove tool to tear down his wood base, and re-build it as a metal base.
[QUOTE=laminblake;44189714]suicide bases are an exploit imo. to make it impossible for someone to raid your base is clearly not intended to be a feature of the game.[/QUOTE]
Who said unraidable was not intended. IMO if everyone can do it it's OK.
If someone gains an advantage using outside hacks it's wrong.
If it's a glitch it should be reported so it can be fixed. (It is an alpha,we should be helping to fix things)
If you have not guessed Chicken- was one of the "exploiters" who jumped up and placed c4 on the door 3 stories off the ground.
I used no exploits to make that base. The remove tool is not even needed to make the base in the first place. You can just as easily chop down wood stairs with a pickaxe. So good day sir. HighLord agree'd with us that you guys were at fault and offered to replace all our items but we refused.
For a survival game wilfully committing suicide seems a little odd.
I see it as an exploit and a bit sad.
[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190048]If you have not guessed Chicken- was one of the "exploiters" who jumped up and placed c4 on the door 3 stories off the ground.
I used no exploits to make that base. The remove tool is not even needed to make the base in the first place. You can just as easily chop down wood stairs with a pickaxe. So good day sir. HighLord agree'd with us that you guys were at fault and offered to replace all our items but we refused.[/QUOTE]
It was a metal base, wasn't aware you could pickaxe metal stairs down, if so I apologize. Your base is still unfair to others and ruins an entire portion of the game. Why should you get an unraidable base while others don't? Explain. How much of that metal was obtained by your friend who got caught cheating during my raid? You blow it way out of proportion too, all I said to you in chat was that I used an exploit to counter your exploit (crate through a solid metal door, base that's completely unraidable to anybody besides using this jump glitch). You went off accusing me of hacking when it turned out it was YOU who had the hacker on your team. I used nothing outside what's already in the game and would NEVER even THINK of using it on anybody besides those with a stupid suicide base that can't be raided any other way.
The admin said he was not giving you back your shit, I was there when he said it, you said it yourself, no punishment because he knew this was a grey area and apparently since he's your friend he wouldn't just put his foot down on these stupid bases.
So answer one simple question, would it be fun if every single player on the server had the same base and nobody could ever raid? Doesn't that seem to affect the overall gameplay and ruin an entire aspect of it? hmmm? You guys talked a lot of smack to those who accused your buddy of cheating, turns out they were all right.
I could not care less about a suicide bases. If you enjoy suiciding 20 times each evening, well then we cant change it. I always camp at such bases, wait till they put their stuff into the box, take the stuff. If Im in a bad mood I destroy the placed box, that always brings some joy to the owner. :v:
It was initially made of wood. I would of not of made a metal one if there was no remove tool. As for your "box through the door" argument, that door isnt even needed and if it was an issue I would of removed it.
Like I said in the other post, he never contributed anything. He basically used our resources and that was it. Me and my girlfriend play mostly during early hours of the day when resources are plentiful. Its not hard to collect metal ore and smelt it.
I know suicide bases are unethical, but with the current level of hackers and exploiters, its the only design that doesn't get raided every other day.
[QUOTE=CN.Kane;44190139]I could not care less about a suicide bases. If you enjoy suiciding 20 times each evening, well then we cant change it. I always camp at such bases, wait till they put their stuff into the box, take the stuff. If Im in a bad mood I destroy the placed box, that always brings some joy to the owner. :v:[/QUOTE]
If you enjoy camping outside somebody's base forever since it's impossible to raid by legit means then, same logic. Again, what if everybody had one of these bases, we all then have to camp outside eachother's bases and hope one of us is coming home with a small amount of loot we might be able to steal?
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[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190153]It was initially made of wood. I would of not of made a metal one if there was no remove tool. As for your "box through the door" argument, that door isnt even needed and if it was an issue I would of removed it.
Like I said in the other post, he never contributed anything. He basically used our resources and that was it. Me and my girlfriend play mostly during early hours of the day when resources are plentiful. Its not hard to collect metal ore and smelt it.
I know suicide bases are unethical, but with the current level of hackers and exploiters, its the only design that doesn't get raided every other day.[/QUOTE]
So you admit your metal base required the remove tool to even achieve your unraidable base. You admit it's unethical but complain when somebody uses an unethical bug to counter your unethical base. I'm sorry but I think you should've taken it like a man and stop complaining when somebody exploits your exploit. "A base that doesn't get raided every other day", you want a base that can NEVER be raided. I was raided ONCE in my compound of bases that I made in legit ways, the only time I was raided was using the stupid pillar/barricade stair thing which I'd call an exploit. I even REFUSE to use that because it's cheap and lame and the only time I've ever used the crate jump was on your base but I'm being blamed for the other base that got raided in similar fashion. You guys deserved it, you feel you deserve to not be raided ever while everybody else has to actually defend their stuff.
[QUOTE=chicken-;44190113]It was a metal base, wasn't aware you could pickaxe metal stairs down, if so I apologize. [/QUOTE]
He said you can pickaxe wooden stairs down, not metal stairs. You can achieve a wooden suicide base by initially using wooden stairs to get up to where you want to build the rooms with loot and then picking them down and putting center pillars.
[QUOTE=chicken-;44190113]Why should you get an unraidable base while others don't? Explain.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh? You can make your own suicide base, just build it. They are very easy to build and there are several visual tutorials on how to do so. Basically you are in the position of "I don't have a M4 but you do, this is unfair!" which is completely unreasonable.
[QUOTE=chicken-;44190164]So you admit your metal base required the remove tool to even achieve your unraidable base. You admit it's unethical but complain when somebody uses an unethical bug to counter your unethical base. I'm sorry but I think you should've taken it like a man and stop complaining when somebody exploits your exploit.[/QUOTE]
He has repeated that he only used the remove tool to make the metal base by removing the original wooden base. A wooden suicide base is just as unraidable as a metal suicide base and does not need the remove tool at all.
Reading comprehension is required. You need to actually read the posts you are replying to.
Its the severity of the exploit. If my suicide base is an exploit, (which using core game mechanics isn't exploiting) how is that hurting anyone? There are literally over 100 bases on that server to raid. I'm pretty much a hoarder on rust, I like to accumulate stuff and pretty much not use it. Its my playstyle. You never seen my name pop up in the kill logs cause I'm a friendly player.
Now using an exploit/hack to raid peoples bases IS hurting other people. You are bypassing their efforts to make their home safe to take everything they have worked for.
[QUOTE=nakieon;44190203]Don't be stupid, he has repeated that he only used the remove tool to make the metal base. A wooden suicide base is just as unraidable as a metal suicide base.
Reading comprehension is required. Next time actually read the posts you are replying to.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't change the fact that it's lame and ruins an entire aspect of the game. Exploit regardless and I hope the devs finally do something about it because every other person is going to start youtubing how to do this instead of playing the game in a legit fashion.
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[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190216]Its the severity of the exploit. If my suicide base is an exploit, (which using core game mechanics isn't exploiting) how is that hurting anyone? There are literally over 100 bases on that server to raid. I'm pretty much a hoarder on rust, I like to accumulate stuff and pretty much not use it. Its my playstyle. You never seen my name pop up in the kill logs cause I'm a friendly player.
You are bypassing their efforts to make their home safe to take everything they have worked for. Now using an exploit/hack to raid peoples bases IS hurting other people[/QUOTE]
The cheater on your team that went around destroying people with your gear seemed to hurt some people. Were you offering all those people some of your gear you were hoarding in your impenetrable base?
To get rid of suicide bases they would need to remove SLEEPING BAGS. which is NOT going to happen. Like I said before, there is not 1 way to prevent someone from making a suicide base.
[QUOTE=chicken-;44190154]If you enjoy camping outside somebody's base forever since it's impossible to raid by legit means then, same logic. Again, what if everybody had one of these bases, we all then have to camp outside eachother's bases and hope one of us is coming home with a small amount of loot we might be able to steal?[/QUOTE]Why forever, after a while you know who is the owner. Look if he is online, people which are that paranoid that they build such dumb bases, they most likely wont go far away for farming (might loose 100 wood). It wont take long, maybe 5 minutes, if they dont return within 5 minutes, just go do something else. Its a game after all.
[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190240]To get rid of suicide bases they would need to remove SLEEPING BAGS. which is NOT going to happen. Like I said before, there is not 1 way to prevent someone from making a suicide base.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't stop me from knowing it's completely lame and would never stoop to that level of play because it defeats the point of the game. Go play on a PVE server if you don't use your gear to kill and just want to hoard stuff.
They could easily block this by making ceilings require walls or doorways to be placed. The only reason this is unraidable is because your ceilings go out further than the doorway and therefor nobody can get on top and lean over to place c4.
[QUOTE=chicken-;44190225]Doesn't change the fact that it's lame and ruins an entire aspect of the game. Exploit regardless and I hope the devs finally do something about it because every other person is going to start youtubing how to do this instead of playing the game in a legit fashion.
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The cheater on your team that went around destroying people with your gear seemed to hurt some people. Were you offering all those people some of your gear you were hoarding in your impenetrable base?[/QUOTE]
[editline]10th March 2014[/editline]
Wasn't your buddy BabyDeluxe caught cheating also? I suppose you didn't know that he was either right?
Like I said before multiple times, I had no clue he was a hacker, I don't even remember his name. He basically only came on when we were off.
[QUOTE=BateMaster;44190251][editline]10th March 2014[/editline]
Wasn't your buddy BabyDeluxe caught cheating also? I suppose you didn't know that he was either right?
Like I said before multiple times, I had no clue he was a hacker, I don't even remember his name. He basically only came on when we were off.[/QUOTE]
No, in fact he was not caught cheating, nobody on my team was caught cheating lol. Do you make a habit of giving access to your base for people you "don't even remember the name" of?
[QUOTE=chicken-;44190225]Doesn't change the fact that it's lame and ruins an entire aspect of the game. Exploit regardless and I hope the devs finally do something about it because every other person is going to start youtubing how to do this instead of playing the game in a legit fashion.[/QUOTE]
Suicide bases are completely legit and if you put some thought into it, you can raid them completely legit as well without using an exploit such as the crate jump. Also, I've edited my post (the one you replied to) with multiple quotes from you that make no sense, please re-read it.
Just because you think something is lame doesn't mean it is an exploit or unfair emergent gameplay of the game. For example, I think M4s, airdrops, and crafting C4 are unfair or need tweaking, but do I try to enforce that opinion onto other people? No. You shouldn't either.
[QUOTE=nakieon;44190273]Suicide bases are completely legit and if you put some thought into it, you can raid them completely legit as well without using an exploit such as the crate jump. Also, I've edited my post (the one you replied to) with multiple quotes from you that make no sense, please re-read it.
Just because you think something is lame doesn't mean it is an exploit or unfair emergent gameplay of the game. For example, I think M4s, airdrops, and crafting C4 are unfair or need tweaking, but do I try to enforce that opinion onto other people? No. You shouldn't either.[/QUOTE]
Trust me, there is no way to raid his base by legit means, if so please prove it. It's not the basic one that's posted all over the place where there easy means of jumping on pillars or getting on the ceiling. It's absolutely not possible.
Comparing this to "you have an m4 and I don't" is just ridiculous. I defended my base with pipe shotguns to start like most legit players do and built up as I went along. Didn't need an unraidable base to defend and build up. Again I challenge you to prove his base was raidable by legit means, cuz I know it wasn't and many others have claimed that and failed.
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