I just saw a stream today where someone where raiding a house.
When they got to the loot room with all the chests they took all the stuff they could use.
When they where done they opened all the chests and tossed everything out they didnt need, just to be mean to the person who owned it.
They did it like it was the most normal thing to do. Is it really?
I compare it to the days where if you find the cupboard you could destroy the hole base just to be mean or troll or whatever...
That was a serious problem and they kinda solved that.
I understand that raiding is a part of the game, but doing it like that is just disrespectful...
[QUOTE=Psynatron;49133737]I just saw a stream today where someone where raiding a house.
When they got to the loot room with all the chests they took all the stuff they could use.
When they where done they opened all the chests and tossed everything out they didnt need, just to be mean to the person who owned it.
They did it like it was the most normal thing to do. Is it really?
I compare it to the days where if you find the cupboard you could destroy the hole base just to be mean or troll or whatever...
That was a serious problem and they kinda solved that.
I understand that raiding is a part of the game, but doing it like that is just disrespectful...[/QUOTE]
If someone has both access to [I]your[/I] tool cupboard and loot room, what even makes that house yours any more? It's their base now, they can do as they please.
Everything not taken during a raid is something your rivals can use against you. Emptying loot rooms is a sound preemptive strategy, not griefing.
[QUOTE=joejoejoey04;49133783]If someone has both access to [I]your[/I] tool cupboard and loot room, what even makes that house yours any more? It's their base now, they can do as they please.[/QUOTE]
If it where there intention to actually take over the house and use it themselves, then yeah, they should do what they want. But it wasnt there intention. They just wanted to be idiots?
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kurogo;49133841]Everything not taken during a raid is something your rivals can use against you. Emptying loot rooms is a sound preemptive strategy, not griefing.[/QUOTE]
I understand that aswell. And it makes sence.
But the stuff they where tossing was not something they really could use against you.
Remember, they took all the stuff that where worth something.
Welcome to Rust. Taking all of someone's stuff away from them during a legitimate raid is a completely acceptable tactic if you want to make enemies. If that means more than you can carry, on the floor it goes so it can despawn.
Why would you [I]help them[/I] by leaving them resources when you're [I]breaking into their base and stealing their good shit[/I]?
If this kind of gameplay is shocking to you, perhaps round-based shooters with automatically-provided loadouts might be more your style. Like TF2. Nobody can steal from you in TF2.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49133915]Welcome to Rust. Taking all of someone's stuff away from them during a legitimate raid is a completely acceptable tactic if you want to make enemies. If that means more than you can carry, on the floor it goes so it can despawn.
Why would you [I]help them[/I] by leaving them resources when you're [I]breaking into their base and stealing their good shit[/I]?
If this kind of gameplay is shocking to you, perhaps round-based shooters with automatically-provided loadouts might be more your style. Like TF2. Nobody can steal from you in TF2.[/QUOTE]
Then why did they change the house griefing problem?
Removing someones house should be acceptable aswell then.
You know the game isn't finished yet, right? You're playing a partially-built system. And, if you can authorize yourself on someone's cupboards, removing their house [I]is[/I] acceptable.
Because it isn't their house anymore.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49134258]You know the game isn't finished yet, right? You're playing a partially-built system. And, if you can authorize yourself on someone's cupboards, removing their house [I]is[/I] acceptable.
Because it isn't their house anymore.[/QUOTE]
But they removed the ability to just remove the house...
If it was acceptable why did they make that change.
If it wasnt the path they wanted to go they wouldnt have removed the option.
And they said themselves it was a problem...
So it have nothing to do with "the game is not finished yet".
[QUOTE=Psynatron;49133874]If it where there intention to actually take over the house and use it themselves, then yeah, they should do what they want. But it wasnt there intention. They just wanted to be idiots?
[editline]17th November 2015[/editline]
I understand that aswell. And it makes sence.
But the stuff they where tossing was not something they really could use against you.
Remember, they took all the stuff that where worth something.[/QUOTE]
When a group decides they are going to raid, they accept the fact that they are going to make enemies. The only chance of survival after this is to make yourself as powerful as possible and your enemies as weak as possible. That means tossing everything you can't carry on the ground.
[QUOTE=Psynatron;49134327]But they removed the ability to just remove the house...
If it was acceptable why did they make that change.
If it wasnt the path they wanted to go they wouldnt have removed the option.
And they said themselves it was a problem...
So it have nothing to do with "the game is not finished yet".[/QUOTE]
Because it was horribly imbalanced...because the game isn't finished yet and a lot of the tools that you will need to properly defend your base haven't been implemented yet?
And the tool cupboard was a very quick fix to serve as "good enough" until the devs have worked through their priority list far enough to get to balancing building and raiding properly?
It absolutely has every bit to do with the game being unfinished. Don't assume that anything you're playing now is firmly set in stone. Balance is a constantly shifting point with every update. That's alpha for you.
One of the people I watch play use to replace all the stuff he took with bones and broken tools.
Would that be okay?
i don't see the problem. yes it would hurt to some back to NOTHING after a raid, but then your defenses were obviously lacking. what they did to take all your stuff is irrelevant; if they could carry everything, they would probably take it home and dump it on the ground there since it would be safer.
and it could be worse; they left the chests. they could have lobbed a spare c4 or 2 to wreck the chests and all the loot room.
if i raid some noobs i wont despawn. i will probably just take the wood and stone and leave their stone hatchet and bows.
but if someone have been killing me or is a threat to me, i will make sure to block their house and despawn all their loot. They started by killing me and stealing from me, i will do everything in my power to stop them moving forward. i dont do it to be a dick, i do it to 1. increase my chance of survival and 2. because they deserved it.
they removed the ability to remove a house after getting on the tool cupboard because it was too easy to raid any base once you got the cupboard
JUST DESTROY EVERYTHING WITH YOUR HAMMER WHO CARES IF THEY SPENDED HOURS ON THIS SHIT!!!
If someone can get access to your tool cupboard and loot rooms so easy then you deserve to have your stuff thrown on the floor :D
-sincerely guy who does this.
Ask yourself what's worse, the guy who guts your house and encourages you to move and rebuild, or the guy who leaves half your gear, replaces your walls, but also manipulates a section of your building for easy access later... or adds an appropriately-named sleeping bag to the pile you and your friends wisely placed next to your loot boxes?
when im raiding bases I sometimes leave hatchet and pickaxe in chest. So when the owner comes, he can start gathering resources right away. It is something like messege "Thx for loot, i will come for more in the future" :)
[QUOTE=guru80;49138956]when im raiding bases I sometimes leave hatchet and pickaxe in chest. So when the owner comes, he can start gathering resources right away. It is something like messege "Thx for loot, i will come for more in the future" :)[/QUOTE]
just amend a map to say it outright lol
I wished the paper note worked. I would always leave a well penned thank you note. Manners cost nothing.
Lol yes I'd love the note to work too! Imagine the possibilities!
To Psynatron, tbh mate that used to really piss me off too. My base was raided and they placed wood walls everywhere, half blocks on doors, the full works rendering it completely useless. I kicked off about it on here and someone changed my opinion. He said, what the raiders did is REMOVE your base, i.e. remove YOU from the area so you're no longer a threat. I say fair play tbh. If it's a small shack, I tend not to kill the sleeper or remove the bag, and try to leave something.
True griefing is running around, shooting people without any interest in what their carrying and despawning their inventory so it's gone by the time you return to the body. Now that gets on my tits!
[QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;49139280]I wished the paper note worked. I would always leave a well penned thank you note. Manners cost nothing.[/QUOTE]
Something I did do to a guy I raided was replace his sheet metal door and code lock, then left a sign saying "at least you're still alive" with the code to the lock on it.
[QUOTE=Kurogo;49145226]Something I did do to a guy I raided was replace his sheet metal door and code lock, then left a sign saying "at least you're still alive" with the code to the lock on it.[/QUOTE]
i'm so doing that!
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