Anyone who plays Rust has to read this. - Rust

[url]http://thegamesnob.net/2014/01/26/what-is-rust/[/url] Shed a new light on all those hours spent in Rust. And, whether you agree or not, it's great this stuff is starting to get written about games.

Is this your blog, by chance, ramitup? Also, that bibliography is completely useless. "Rust The Oxford English Dictionary Wikipedia Youtube" Thanks, I'll be sure to follow up on those hyperlinked references you didn't leave behind, author. The only YouTube reference is TotalBiscuit's video, where he's referred to as a "proper gaming journalist". [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hVy4WRr.png[/IMG] ...really strengthening your argument there, pseudonymous author. Good start to your essay.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43687528]Is this your blog, by chance, ramitup? Also, that bibliography is completely useless. "Rust The Oxford English Dictionary Wikipedia Youtube" Thanks, I'll be sure to follow up on those hyperlinked references you didn't leave behind, author. The only YouTube reference is TotalBiscuit's video, where he's referred to as a "proper gaming journalist". [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hVy4WRr.png[/IMG] ...really strengthening your argument there, pseudonymous author. Good start to your essay.[/QUOTE] It's not my blog - I came accross it on reddit and thought the Rust community should see it. Also - I think you've taken it too seriously

I'm a writer; it's kind of my field of expertise. However, I'm not going to make you answer for the essay, it just seemed [I]slightly[/I] suspicious that your very first post was linking to this blog that has only one post on it. It's a common pattern for advertising accounts, but it's not always the case.

Yeah I get that - no offence taken. As someone whose area of expertise isn't writing though, I'm still entitled to an opinion about writing. And I think, if you're taking this seriously as an academic piece and not as a piece of interesting games journalism, then however good a writer you are, you're not a particularly good reader.

[QUOTE=ramitup;43687644]Yeah I get that - no offence taken. As someone whose area of expertise isn't writing though, I'm still entitled to an opinion about writing. And I think, if you're taking this seriously as an academic piece and not as a piece of interesting games journalism, then however good a writer you are, you're not a particularly good reader.[/QUOTE] Actually, my honest opinion is that that blog post is so far up its own ass I can't take it seriously at all.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43687722]Actually, my honest opinion is that that blog post is so far up its own ass I can't take it seriously at all.[/QUOTE] irony?

[QUOTE=ramitup;43687750]irony?[/QUOTE] Not a hint. Are you sure you didn't write this essay? I'm not out to offend you or the blog writer. At the same time, welcome to Facepunch, we do things just a little differently here.

I've spent plenty of time reading scientific studies about online gaming and honestly, this blog missed the mark. (I did a number of research papers in college on the topic) Either way, I'm going to agree that this does come across as the author and OP being the same person and the aggressive defense of the article affirms that. good luck though with your blog.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43687772]Not a hint. Are you sure you didn't write this essay? I'm not out to offend you or the blog writer. At the same time, welcome to Facepunch, we do things just a little differently here.[/QUOTE] Hahaha. That's hilarious. "that post is so far up its own ass I can't take it seriously at all" to use your own words!

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;43687704]Stopped reading at Karl Marx, this is going nowhere.[/QUOTE] Same here, I was just wondering if author had actually understood what Karl Marx was talking about, or if he just opened his article with it because "that seems cool".

I am fairly sure I didn't right the essay. The only reason I'm being bullish is because I care about games and feel this kind of article speaks to that. Also, by "irony" I meant "(oh the) irony". Nothing personal, just in you saying "the bibliography is kind of useless" and then to pull a 180 and say "you can't take it seriously", all the while oblivious to the possibility this was the intention of the piece, when you claim to be "a kind of [writing] expert". Perhaps it is you who's too far up their own ass to see anything. (Okay that was kind of personal - apologies, just trying to continue the discourse)

[QUOTE=Valorx;43687795]I've spent plenty of time reading scientific studies about online gaming and honestly, this blog missed the mark. (I did a number of research papers in college on the topic) Either way, I'm going to agree that this does come across as the author and OP being the same person and the aggressive defense of the article affirms that. good luck though with your blog.[/QUOTE] I'm not specifically convinced whether OP is the one post blog author (and frankly, I think I simply do not care that much). Still I find kind of funny (sad?) that the discussion is focused on who's the author and not really the content. Attack ad hominem, argument of authority, this really the lowest form of trolling on the internet. If I had to play this game, I would just laugh at the very notion of writing anything about video game as "research paper" (science nowaday, god help me Sokal!).

[QUOTE=Valorx;43687795]I've spent plenty of time reading scientific studies about online gaming and honestly, this blog missed the mark. (I did a number of research papers in college on the topic) Either way, I'm going to agree that this does come across as the author and OP being the same person and the aggressive defense of the article affirms that. good luck though with your blog.[/QUOTE] I wish - I'm just gonna stop posting now - would be interested to see what pople thought of this as a piece of games journalism though (it's obviously not an academic piece)

[QUOTE=ramitup;43687829]I am fairly sure I didn't right the essay.[/QUOTE] You're not 100% sure? Do you think it's possible that you have a split personality that registered thegamersnob.net, set up a Wordpress blog, and wrote a pretentious piece trying to use Rust as an allegory for what the author believes is Marxist ideals? Is that what's keeping you from being utterly confident? I'm 100% sure I'm not (insert any blogger here). You're taking this fairly seriously and personally if you're a completely disinterested party. I've been careful to keep my criticism of the blog post and your thread behaviour separate and distinct.

Can an admin please prevent this troll from ruining the thread before it's begun? Guy is so desperate to pin me down with his petty drivel, you'd have thought he had a chip on his shoulder about the piece or something. Thx

He probably found it here. [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/1w7vhz/so_rust_then_what_is_it_its_a_game_its_a/"]http://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/1w74s6/mindblown_rust_article_is_best_ever_written_about/[/URL] Ironically the author on the subreddit also claimed to have not written it, and appears to have been banned for spamming since then.

like I said - reddit. (seen your edit now) Can we have a normal discussion now?

I'm a Marxist and this blog post makes me ill.

I do believe this falls under 'spam' since you made this account today and your first post was a link to some blog.

Didn't realise - apologies. At least my post was to something new and relevant though. What about all the egos in here that have offered nothing? That's spam in my book. I won't be coming back anyway. Enjoy all the posturing and sophistry from these clowns.

So, I've not researched this response, nor do I have references for it, but this blog is not really talking about Rust, but about social implications of our actions while in an online game. It utilizes events and strategies within Rust to support a socialist perspective that people steal/kill/hoard resources, and that these are traits of "Capitalism". This is not really a blog about gaming at all. Rust is only a tool used to support the author's pre-determined perspective. The reality is that online gaming allows people to exhibit traits that they wouldn't in "Real life". We can all kill indiscriminately in Rust because we know that there are no PERMANENT and physical repercussions. We steal because we know that these items hold no REAL or physical value. The author uses the example of his time being worth $10 an hour and so anytime someone steals from him, that person is stealing $10 from him. The flaw in this example though is that the author is not spending an hour harvesting or crafting or building. He is spending an hour playing a game. That is the flaw in this who "thesis". This is just a game. We can pull some social references from it, but when you try to boil down the fundamentals of human nature and use a video game as your foundation for argument, you will have an unsteady foundation. Let's not get into a political debate on a game forum though, ok? Socialism vs. Capitalism should exist on a different board.

It doesnt really matter to me if ramitup wrote it or not. I'll take him at his word, though. As a 5 minute pop-culture read about a video game, I enjoyed the blog. It's obvious that the author was using a pretentious essay as a device. See [URL="http://www.focus.de/kultur/diverses/ausstellungen-kuenstler-stellt-karl-marx-unterhose-aus_aid_722550.html"]Heiligen Unterhosen[/URL]. The very open mechanics of Rust are what make it great. You have the freedom to play how you want, but other people have the freedom to force you to play it how they want. It's genius, and it deserves a pretentious essay.

I wrote it. Got a problem? come at me bra / deal with it / next meme here. :zoid: [editline]27th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43687595]I'm a writer; it's kind of my field of expertise. However, I'm not going to make you answer for the essay, it just seemed [I]slightly[/I] suspicious that your very first post was linking to this blog that has only one post on it. It's a common pattern for advertising accounts, but it's not always the case.[/QUOTE] I read this aaaaaand [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTSGp4UdEvQ[/url] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Reaction video" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=CaptainAwesom;43688769]Got a problem?[/QUOTE] Yes. Take criticism seriously and don't be an ass about it. And we also don't like memes here.

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;43688955]Yes. Take criticism seriously and don't be an ass about it. And we also don't like memes here.[/QUOTE] Who is "we"?

[QUOTE=klinkvonstal;43688985]Who is "we"?[/QUOTE] Facepunch in general.

Litterary merits aside, it was a different take on the subject, and I kind of enjoyed it.. Thanks for posting it up... *ducks back behind the parapet*

[QUOTE=darth-veger;43688992]Facepunch in general.[/QUOTE] Ok, so "SouthParkMGT; Gold Member" is Facepunch in general? That's confusing.

[QUOTE=klinkvonstal;43689261]Ok, so "SouthParkMGT; Gold Member" is Facepunch in general? That's confusing.[/QUOTE] Yes, I am the leader of Facepunch and my ego is so high that I refer to myself as "we". Like Nikolai the Second. And you better stop being a smartass and obey.