With so many people hacking, should we not all just hack? - Rust

With so many people hacking this game and since neither Facepunch, VAC and admins can keep on top of them. Should we all just start hacking? If everyone hacks, who has the advantage? Today on a server i had a guy hit me bang on every time from 200m with an m4 while I was sprinting and weaving (By weaving i mean sprinting in 1 direction and using the mouse to make you move left and right, like a snake), between a supply drop, He wasn't spraying and praying, it was individual shots. I've never seen a single streamer or video of a player legitimately able to do this. You miss more then you'd hit in this above case. Just fed up with the no recoil, aim botting, seeing through walls and crates crap.

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849381]With so many people hacking this game and since neither Facepunch, VAC and admins can keep on top of them. Should we all just start hacking? [/QUOTE] That's dumb. Sorry but its true.. I got a little over 200 hours played in this game and me personally have seen 2-3 obvious hackers. Then I've seen people get banned for cheating but yea, personally I've only seen 2-3... Maybe find a decent server with active admins and you would have a better time playing this game. Edit: Oh and yea, more than 50% of the people you claim are cheating are probably just better players than you are.

So where did you get your logic? Opposite day? [QUOTE=Ashton187;43849381]With so many people hacking this game and since neither Facepunch, VAC and admins can keep on top of them. Should we all just start hacking? If everyone hacks, who has the advantage? Today on a server i had a guy hit me bang on every time from 200m with an m4 while I was sprinting and weaving (By weaving i mean sprinting in 1 direction and using the mouse to make you move left and right, like a snake), between a supply drop, He wasn't spraying and praying, it was individual shots. I've never seen a single streamer or video of a player legitimately able to do this. You miss more then you'd hit in this above case. Just fed up with the no recoil, aim botting, seeing through walls and crates crap.[/QUOTE]

Go ahead and hack. It's your account that'll carry a red badge of shame (VAC ban) permanently if you do.

Okay, get a cheat if you feel that way.

[QUOTE=Swaap;43849417]That's dumb. Sorry but its true.. I got a little over 200 hours played in this game and me personally have seen 2-3 obvious hackers. Then I've seen people get banned for cheating but yea, personally I've only seen 2-3... Maybe find a decent server with active admins and you would have a better time playing this game.[/QUOTE] I know its dumb, but there is a point where its futile to fight against it. Urinating in the wind, you only get your legs wet. Kinda the same thing here, you fight the hackers and they just keep coming. With each new patch there is more and more. I just can't escape the feeling that this problem will never be resolved to an acceptable level.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43849430]Go ahead and hack. It's your account that'll carry a red badge of shame (VAC ban) permanently if you do.[/QUOTE] I don't want to, this is the frustrating thing. When in Rome, do as they do.

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849458]I know its dumb, but there is a point where its futile to fight against it. Urinating in the wind, you only get your legs wet. Kinda the same thing here, you fight the hackers and they just keep coming. With each new patch there is more and more. I just can't escape the feeling that this problem will never be resolved to an acceptable level.[/QUOTE] it's rampant because everything is clientside, making it super easy to hack. this is so they can bug fix easier and make the game better in the end. The more people exploiting and being reported the more exploits are removed. as soon as they change it to server side it'll shit on the numbers. [QUOTE=Ashton187;43849482]I don't want to, this is the frustrating thing. When in Rome, do as they do.[/QUOTE] so uhhh whats this threads use then?

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849482]I don't want to, this is the frustrating thing. When in Rome, do as they do.[/QUOTE] And get punished just like Roman cheaters. How about you play a different game that's actually [B]fun[/B] for a month instead? Rust won't be going anywhere. Gmod's been supported for 7+ years on Steam, and Facepunch Studios is not in dire financial straits and looking to stave off bankruptcy or anything. It'll be waiting when you come back.

[QUOTE=J!NX;43849498]so uhhh whats this threads use then?[/QUOTE] Heh, its labelled as a rant. I'm just so annoyed at being killed by hackers. The OP was just the last straw for me. Pushed me to the point of just giving up for a few months.

I was farming some woods, and a guy shot me to death from a very far range using MP5. I typed "wew" in chat. And the guy who killed me replied "<my ign> is hacking!!!!" And I got banned from the server instantly. Went to menu, find and join other server. End of story. Never thought about hacking, not even once. You must be really really dumb young man.

Just rise above it and hone them skillz, if you kill a hacker it feels like 10x more of an accomplishment and they get 10x more pissed off. Fuck hackers if they feel the need to waste money on outside programs that just means they can't play hardcore like everyone else.

[QUOTE=lockdown45;43849589]Just rise above it and hone them skillz,[/QUOTE] Thats the hardest part. Its so deflating to be killed by one knowing there is probably nothing you can do or will be done about it.

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849613]Thats the hardest part. Its so deflating to be killed by one knowing there is probably nothing you can do or will be done about it.[/QUOTE] It sucks but you can't just sink to their level or you become no better than they are. Piss on em dood they'll get what's coming. I disagree with a lot of things my government does and feel the same way sometimes, like wtf can I do I'm just one person. It all will work out in the end just have faith even if that very faith is blind as a bat.

[QUOTE=anazhd;43849562]I was farming some woods, and a guy shot me to death from a very far range using MP5. I typed "wew" in chat. And the guy who killed me replied "<my ign> is hacking!!!!" And I got banned from the server instantly. Went to menu, find and join other server. End of story. Never thought about hacking, not even once. You must be really really dumb young man.[/QUOTE] and this is why I don't play rust.

mining, chopping, pretty sure no one near me or at least not that I aware of in that vast grass land, all the sudden someone pop behind me with a shotgun and... you know the ending. climb to the top of a remote mountain, stand there, thinking how should I build the base; while I'm still thinking, someone shot me with M4... the F?! How the hell someone will know I'm at such remote location?! rage. there is absolutely no progress been made for the pass few days. keep getting screwed if not by cheaters then douchbag. I start to wonder why I play this for.

[QUOTE=digitalifeles;43849921]mining, chopping, pretty sure no one near me or at least not that I aware of in that vast grass land, all the sudden someone pop behind me with a shotgun and... you know the ending. climb to the top of a remote mountain, stand there, thinking how should I build the base; while I'm still thinking, someone shot me with M4... the F?! How the hell someone will know I'm at such remote location?! rage. there is absolutely no progress been made for the pass few days. keep getting screwed if not by cheaters then douchbag. I start to wonder why I play this for.[/QUOTE] Go play something else for a few weeks or a month, and then come back to Rust and see how it's doing. No, seriously. Games are for having fun. If you're not having fun, play something else. Rust's still very much in alpha, and fairness and balance are things on the to-do list and not actual concepts that exist in-game already.

If we all follow this mentality we just end up with Combat Arms. If you don't know what Combat Arms is, I envy you.

Just walk away. This is far from a finished game. Go play some TF2 or something else. Wait until you get the urge in a month or two and then try again. It will be a whole new game to discover and learn.

[QUOTE=Ramirez77;43850172]If we all follow this mentality we just end up with Combat Arms. If you don't know what Combat Arms is, I envy you.[/QUOTE] Oh god. That game was actually pretty fun until everyone was hacking.

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849381]With so many people hacking this game and since neither Facepunch, VAC and admins can keep on top of them. Should we all just start hacking? If everyone hacks, who has the advantage? Today on a server i had a guy hit me bang on every time from 200m with an m4 while I was sprinting and weaving (By weaving i mean sprinting in 1 direction and using the mouse to make you move left and right, like a snake), between a supply drop, He wasn't spraying and praying, it was individual shots. I've never seen a single streamer or video of a player legitimately able to do this. You miss more then you'd hit in this above case. Just fed up with the no recoil, aim botting, seeing through walls and crates crap.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and get VAC'd like the rest :D Your true aim just gets WORSE by hacking. But you will get BETTER by just playing legit.

I don't hack if I find a server has hackers I move to another server. I also don't KOS. I'll fight back when attacked. I passed many logged out bodies on the ground. Would of been easy pickings but I wouldn't want that done to me. Besides that bodies on the ground are usually noobs.

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849458]I know its dumb, but there is a point where its futile to fight against it. Urinating in the wind, you only get your legs wet. Kinda the same thing here, you fight the hackers and they just keep coming. With each new patch there is more and more. I just can't escape the feeling that this problem will never be resolved to an acceptable level.[/QUOTE] Look dude, its not about who is better at the game or who gets more kills/gear/money/wins. Its about who enjoys the game more and who has more fun playing the game. I know this because I hacked on a game, yes I was one of the best but it wasn't as fun as becoming the best through training, so go right a head, hack and you'll get bored of the game soon enough. While playing Rust legitly you can make a lot of friends and a lot of enemies, you will get into wars and loose your stuff but its part of the game. So keep playing and let Valve and FacePunch get the hackers in their own time.

[QUOTE=Dark Cupid;43850404]Oh god. That game was actually pretty fun until everyone was hacking.[/QUOTE] There was a time when people weren't Hacking? O_o All I remember from that game was Hacks every match and people whining when you picked up their Pay2Win gun. Seriously, everyone whined about you "using their gun", weirdest shit ever.

[QUOTE=Ashton187;43849381]With so many people hacking this game and since neither Facepunch, VAC and admins can keep on top of them. Should we all just start hacking? If everyone hacks, who has the advantage? Today on a server i had a guy hit me bang on every time from 200m with an m4 while I was sprinting and weaving (By weaving i mean sprinting in 1 direction and using the mouse to make you move left and right, like a snake), between a supply drop, He wasn't spraying and praying, it was individual shots. I've never seen a single streamer or video of a player legitimately able to do this. You miss more then you'd hit in this above case. Just fed up with the no recoil, aim botting, seeing through walls and crates crap.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and hack boy, watch what happens within a couple weeks.

[QUOTE=Ramirez77;43851383]There was a time when people weren't Hacking? O_o All I remember from that game was Hacks every match and people whining when you picked up their Pay2Win gun. Seriously, everyone whined about you "using their gun", weirdest shit ever.[/QUOTE] Before the game absolutely exploded and was limited to this forum, I do believe that there were hardly any cheaters/hackers in the game. At least, I never really saw any.

Lol why dont you just leave a deep and meaningful message to the valve anti cheat team explaining how you think its ok to hack because others do be sure to leave your steamid

[QUOTE=Xenoman;43850352]Just walk away. This is far from a finished game. Go play some TF2 or something else. Wait until you get the urge in a month or two and then try again. It will be a whole new game to discover and learn.[/QUOTE] It only took them 2 months to add door codes and remove zombies.. I hardly can see it being a "Whole New Game". That actually made me laugh.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;43851580]Before the game absolutely exploded and was limited to this forum, I do believe that there were hardly any cheaters/hackers in the game. At least, I never really saw any.[/QUOTE] They're talking about Combat Arms, not Rust, there. There were hackers in Rust; my first time playing Rust back in the bad old webplayer days culminated in me finally getting a pistol from a radtown, and then a speedhacker running up, clipping through me, and killing me from behind. But they were just using Cheat Engine, literally, and there weren't nearly as many as before the population spiked into the stratosphere. [editline]9th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BlissfulKunt;43852516]It only took them 2 months to add door codes and remove zombies.. I hardly can see it being a "Whole New Game". That actually made me laugh.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]06.02.14 Zombies Were Removed Yep. We did it. We decided we couldn’t hold off any longer. The longer we keep zombies in – the more complaints we’d get about removing them. We are forcing ourselves to deal with it. We are no longer a zombie survival game! They’ve been replaced with red bears and wolves. You hate them. We know. They’re just plugging a gap for now. All will be revvvealed. Wildlife Was Improved no longer exploitable by walking backwards fears hostile wildlife reacts to gunshots hostile wildlife retreats if it cannot find a path to you wildlife should not jump up and switch to random angles anymore removed white wolf Resource Objects Were Improved added new models for wood & stone resources wood & stone resources change model to indicate their quantity added another stone resource – contains mostly stone Other Changes fixed bugs with the level (such as rocks intersecting buildings) the ‘oil tank’ area has been modified with cover workbenches make you craft faster when standing next to them added new player animations improved melee attack animations added locked backpacks and lockpicks test ( off by default ) when you die your backpack is locked for everyone else but you for a time someone else can use a lockpick tool to bypass this time lockpick tools are a default blueprint you can’t use lockpicks on doors the amount of time the backpack is locked for is per-server and can be set to 0 footstep sounds will never play the same sound as the one previously played grass textures have been improved 24.01.14 Shared Doors You can now set a passcode on a door and share it with other people. Once they’ve entered the passcode they can open and close the door until you change it. This also works on gates. In addition, you can set a door to be unlocked so anyone can use it without a passcode. Grass Improvements Grass runs twice as fast as it used to Grass looks way better Grass shouldn’t flicker on ATI cards anymore (but let us know if it does) Grass has improved sound effects Beds & Bags Sleeping bags now reset the use timers of all your other sleeping bags in a 100m radius. This prevents base “zerging” Beds were added! – These can only be placed inside a house with a roof and act like the old sleeping bags did Other changes and fixes added vsync option rcon now receives msgid 4 containing all console output opening boxes no longer resets decay – old things should actually disappear now added hud indication so you know when you’re voice chatting fixed exploit where mouse sensitivity reduced weapon sway added a delay to repairing objects after they have been damaged metal structures now need metal to repair instead of wood fixed random headshot sound that would happen when shooting near the top of inanimate objects camp fire particles are no longer visible at long range (should help with performance) you can only repair something 5 seconds after it last took damage 20.01.14 An attempt was made to fix ghost/desync Fall damage & suicide exploit fixed Reduced lag when entering areas with lots of objects in them (big structures) Rubber banding/network correction is a bit smarter Laser/Flashlight on bolt action rifle/revolver are now fixed and point forward 09.01.14 fixed open door hack fixed noclipping added revolver – default blueprint removed 9mm pistol as a default blueprint added metal bars you can put in windows quality slider has much more of a significant impact on performance (needs work, maybe tomorrow) disabled cursor hack for linux, which should hopefully fix crazy cursor issues. server -datadir is now used for config files. Server owners should move their cfg folder inside. -datadir default is now “serverdata/”. If not using -datadir previously, server owners should move their saves into the new folder. added server rcon, runs on queryport and uses the same protocol as source servers console now reports an error when command isn’t found console variables now show their values when typed into the console changing a console variable will now print the change ‘ban’ now accepts a second optional argument, reason ‘banid’ now accepts <username> <argument> ‘status’ now shows the connected players ‘banlist’ shows all banned users ‘banlistex’ shows all banned users, with names and reasons ‘removeid’ unbans a user by steamid ‘say’ allows the server admin to talk to all connected clients research kit no longer requires paper research kit has a random amount of uses (1-3) shelters now use a single mesh instead of compound colliders made explosives require metal to craft improved pipe shotgun sound lowered shadow distance to a realistic level, should help with jittery shadows weapon sounds are slightly randomized so each shot isn’t identical to the last stopped looting through walls adjusted clock sycronization fix attempt to ghosting servers start up faster pipe shotgun now visibly ejects a shell on reload bolt action bullets are visible during reload fixed bug where respawning frequently could cause you to get stuck and have to reconnect due to invisible respawn screen. bruteforce rcon guessing is punished 19.12.13 Doors will no longer fly away You can’t stand inside doors and shoot out any longer Fixed Metal Doors not setting their rotation properly Shelters can be placed closer together than they used to be able to Resource nodes respawning should no longer cause server-wide lag Deployables placed on inside (new) shelters should no longer destroy when the shelter is destroyed Added some missing death effects for shelters and doors Should be easier to squeeze sleeping bags into shelters now Spike walls can be placed closer together, you can overlap them a little bit now to seal gaps easier You can now right click to rotate structures for the one guy without a mousewheel :D Servers can now specify a minimum amount of players for airdrops to occur – airdrop.min_players ( default 50 ) Fixed shotguns not damaging deployables Fixed some serverside performance issues Fixed explosive charges not dealing direct damage to structure components – They will now deal their damage regardless of their position relative to what they are placed directly on Fixed explosions doing too much damage to things with compound colliders (shelters namely) Fixed weapon animations while aiming for some weapons (Shotgun) Fixed exploit allowing you to place deployables in mid-air Fixed being able to put wood boxes inside people/yourself You can place stuff on the road now Kevlar is harder to produce Made ammo much harder to craft Research kits are now one time use Increased headshot damage multiplier Added Bolt Action Rifle Weapons now play a dry fire sound when you try and fire them empty Added aim sway to some weapons, experimental Added a small ‘lazy aim’ cone for weapons Shotgun and bolt action rifle no longer stay aimed while actioning the weapon Small Stash is a default blueprint, and is easier to craft Spike wall returns more damage Spike wall has more melee armor New death screen (WIP) Known Issues: Lasersight and Flashlight go off to the left on the Bolt Action Rifle unless a silencer is also added Death messages are weird and can tell you a bear killed you with a shotgun o

whitetail, i know you have the best of intentions and I fully agree with you on the games progress, but that wall of patch notes made me pop a blood vessel, too much text :v: If you do join a well administrated server, Hackers will be rare. I caught a couple headshotting a little too often to be legitimate, but apart from a couple of obvious aimbotters every now and then, the server I play on is mostly clean.