Admins should get more power against hackers! - Rust

Hello boys en girls, So I became admin of an server 3 weeks ago. Really like it helping people en filtering en scanning out the hackers. But in my opinion we do not have enough power to do our jobs correctly. The point is, when you go ghosting someone they always know you're there. They hear you drop when you TP on them, they still see a floating name tag. Most of the time I try to ghost, people say hey who's there? So they know. And second thing is, it's almost impossible to find out if someone is using aimbot. You get a lot of people saying; hey I got shot from long range with a P250 in the head. So when that guy does it couple of times in a row, I go ghosting but you can never tell. The jump/fly hackers are easy, but most hackers are smart these days. They only use there hacks for a couple seconds and then turn m off. So what I think we need as admins is: - The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. - Something to detect aimbotters. We now have a rule that everybody with a fresh VAC ban ( less then 1000 days ago ) gets banned. But the ones just started cheating are hard to get. What are you're thoughts? Bas.

Flying spectator mode is getting implemented next patch which will be a great help against the fight of people blatantly hacking. However with Garry's new netcode we may see some minor hicups such as extreme rubber banding and warping creating the illusion of speedhacking and possible floating due to poor prediction code which I have seen in the alphas of a couple MMOs. First person spectator mode would be great for catching hackers depending on the tick rate of the server, but I have a feeling Rust is a low tick rate (around 10?) which would result in all first person cams looking very jerky in aiming scenarios, not just hackers.

- The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. If they cheat they can see you anyway.

[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;44665259]- The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. If they cheat they can see you anyway.[/QUOTE] Obviously ESP's will always stay there seeking for us (admins and mods) looking for them hehe. Now, the thing would be the Spectator mode where you wouldn't be a Player but a Entity not registred by ESP's.

[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;44665259]- The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. If they cheat they can see you anyway.[/QUOTE] Oké i'm not aware of what all the hacks can do...

[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;44665259]- The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. If they cheat they can see you anyway.[/QUOTE] They could stop the server sending packets of anyone wearing the invisible gear, which is impossible to bypass through hacks.

I couldn't agree more. I was playing last night and was killed by a hacker using god mode and jumping 20 feel in the sky. Lost my 9mm, shotgun (not pope shot gun). full kevlar, ect. He was also managing to chat with our names, so it would be like "-insert name-: I love penises!". We need more admins like you :)

[QUOTE=rapefruit;44665847]They could stop the server sending packets of anyone wearing the invisible gear, which is impossible to bypass through hacks.[/QUOTE] Would be awsome since the invisible suit is kinda useless now.

The way it is now, an admin's most comprehensive toolbox includes purchasing hacks to keep up with the hackers, given the rampant and evolved nature of them now, particularly with the slower update cycle, giving the hack coders more time to work with the current version. The worst part about this is that admins are supporting hackers in a way by purchasing these to combat this on their servers and it is sad that they do not have proper tools to enforce properly instead. Get with it, facepunch.. if you need to contract outside help to bring some of these systems up to speed, don't hesitate to. You obviously have the money to & your user base will benefit greatly from this. What is to lose?

Well i'm never ever gonna download hack's, I get where you're going but I'm not going to get banned just to get hackers.

U can catch hacker by rcon, if there is many messages with "kicked for violation"-it is a hacker, also u can tp in other locations with new version of rcon. Just keep distance where player can not see ur name tag and keep on eye on him, if he will attack u or turn into ur side-he is a cheater. Another trick is to tp a couple of times for "hacker@", time to time, about 2-5 minutes. If he use private cheats, he will use jump or SH, and u will see it on second/third tp. I've catched 3 players like that, and 1 by distance of name tag. So be smarter than cheater ))

[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;44665259]- The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. If they cheat they can see you anyway.[/QUOTE] Add this to the list... -No aggroing animals You have no idea how many times I've been found because some dumbass bear wanted to chew on my ass...lol

[QUOTE=UltraKot;44667013]U can catch hacker by rcon, if there is many messages with "kicked for violation"-it is a hacker, also u can tp in other locations with new version of rcon. Just keep distance where player can not see ur name tag and keep on eye on him, if he will attack u or turn into ur side-he is a cheater. Another trick is to tp a couple of times for "hacker@", time to time, about 2-5 minutes. If he use private cheats, he will use jump or SH, and u will see it on second/third tp. I've catched 3 players like that, and 1 by distance of name tag. So be smarter than cheater ))[/QUOTE] I rated it "dumb" because if it says "kicked for violation" it's usually because people get glitched in doors or someone places a barricade on them or boxes on the sleeping bags not because they fly/speed hack + you can tp to any location by having a list of coordinates with each , this was working since the game was released so again that's nothing special , if the player is a cheater it doesn't matter if you are at the other side of the map he can still see you with the ESP,the methods you listed here work with the "amateur" hackers which aren't that many anymore,most of them learnt. There are better methods but I won't post them here as it's unsafe.

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;44664808]Hello boys en girls, So I became admin of an server 3 weeks ago. Really like it helping people en filtering en scanning out the hackers. But in my opinion we do not have enough power to do our jobs correctly. The point is, when you go ghosting someone they always know you're there. They hear you drop when you TP on them, they still see a floating name tag. Most of the time I try to ghost, people say hey who's there? So they know. And second thing is, it's almost impossible to find out if someone is using aimbot. You get a lot of people saying; hey I got shot from long range with a P250 in the head. So when that guy does it couple of times in a row, I go ghosting but you can never tell. The jump/fly hackers are easy, but most hackers are smart these days. They only use there hacks for a couple seconds and then turn m off. So what I think we need as admins is: - The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. - Something to detect aimbotters. We now have a rule that everybody with a fresh VAC ban ( less then 1000 days ago ) gets banned. But the ones just started cheating are hard to get. What are you're thoughts? Bas.[/QUOTE] there is an Server plugin that automatic bans aimbotters unfortanly i dont know the Name of it

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;44664808]Hello boys en girls, So I became admin of an server 3 weeks ago. Really like it helping people en filtering en scanning out the hackers. But in my opinion we do not have enough power to do our jobs correctly. The point is, when you go ghosting someone they always know you're there. They hear you drop when you TP on them, they still see a floating name tag. Most of the time I try to ghost, people say hey who's there? So they know. And second thing is, it's almost impossible to find out if someone is using aimbot. You get a lot of people saying; hey I got shot from long range with a P250 in the head. So when that guy does it couple of times in a row, I go ghosting but you can never tell. The jump/fly hackers are easy, but most hackers are smart these days. They only use there hacks for a couple seconds and then turn m off. So what I think we need as admins is: - The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. - Something to detect aimbotters. We now have a rule that everybody with a fresh VAC ban ( less then 1000 days ago ) gets banned. But the ones just started cheating are hard to get. What are you're thoughts? Bas.[/QUOTE] Theres a plugin for rust++ called autobanhackers or something like that. it takes max range of the guns and auto bans if it sees someone shoot further than that. pretty handy i would say. theres other ones too like anti-grief,anti-aimbot,anti-speedhack etc on search the plugins list if you have ftp access to you server or maybe ask the owner about it.

So this night I was scanning through the player list, I came a cross a guy with 2 VAC bans 80 days old. So I banned him we ban all VAC bans, then his mates asked why I banned him. They where playing for a couple of days. They said he just bought the game and was playing for 1 hour. I said he got 2 VAC's we ban everyone with a VAC. They said; but he hassen't cheated. Ofcorse he diden't cheat, he was playing for 1 hour. But once a cheater always a cheater. Then he said he cheated in Dayz so now I'm really sure he was a potential threat. If you gonna hack in games like that. Then his mates where like, yeah everybody cheats and diden't you ever cheat? I said no, what's the point? You ruin you're own game. After that they looked up my Facebook or so and asked how my wife was and stuff like that. I'm really a nice guy but don't go there, so I banned them all. We don't need people like that on our server. Then I got a message from the guy I banned first saying he's not a cheater, I said he is. And should search a server where they like VAC banned people. Then this guy starts over admin abuse, lol what you have played for 1 hour how the hell can you say I abuse? The rest of the server 30 peeps at that moment where on my hand tho! XD Kids these days....

If you are really dedicated and willing you could get a fresh steam account and esp just to catch hackers on that. It makes detecting cheaters a lot easier. I know a lot of the successful high pop servers have admins that have esp themselves

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;44673638]So this night I was scanning through the player list, I came a cross a guy with 2 VAC bans 80 days old. So I banned him we ban all VAC bans, then his mates asked why I banned him. They where playing for a couple of days. They said he just bought the game and was playing for 1 hour. I said he got 2 VAC's we ban everyone with a VAC. They said; but he hassen't cheated. Ofcorse he diden't cheat, he was playing for 1 hour. But once a cheater always a cheater. Then he said he cheated in Dayz so now I'm really sure he was a potential threat. If you gonna hack in games like that. Then his mates where like, yeah everybody cheats and diden't you ever cheat? I said no, what's the point? You ruin you're own game. After that they looked up my Facebook or so and asked how my wife was and stuff like that. I'm really a nice guy but don't go there, so I banned them all. We don't need people like that on our server. Then I got a message from the guy I banned first saying he's not a cheater, I said he is. And should search a server where they like VAC banned people. Then this guy starts over admin abuse, lol what you have played for 1 hour how the hell can you say I abuse? The rest of the server 30 peeps at that moment where on my hand tho! XD Kids these days....[/QUOTE] ikr and also its if a admin plays on the server normally = admin abuse even though you have recon off everything off not logged in your just playing normal. ppl are just dumb and jelly [editline]28th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=kirbies;44673668]If you are really dedicated and willing you could get a fresh steam account and esp just to catch hackers on that. It makes detecting cheaters a lot easier. I know a lot of the successful high pop servers have admins that have esp themselves[/QUOTE] why would u buy hacks just to esp on your own server seems dumb someone could make a plugin for that shit not risk getting vac ban because you want to get others vac ban.

Spectator mode, i made a thread too. Its all we need.

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;44673638]So this night I was scanning through the player list, I came a cross a guy with 2 VAC bans 80 days old. So I banned him we ban all VAC bans, then his mates asked why I banned him. They where playing for a couple of days. They said he just bought the game and was playing for 1 hour. I said he got 2 VAC's we ban everyone with a VAC. They said; but he hassen't cheated. Ofcorse he diden't cheat, he was playing for 1 hour. But once a cheater always a cheater. Then he said he cheated in Dayz so now I'm really sure he was a potential threat. If you gonna hack in games like that. Then his mates where like, yeah everybody cheats and diden't you ever cheat? I said no, what's the point? You ruin you're own game. After that they looked up my Facebook or so and asked how my wife was and stuff like that. I'm really a nice guy but don't go there, so I banned them all. We don't need people like that on our server. Then I got a message from the guy I banned first saying he's not a cheater, I said he is. And should search a server where they like VAC banned people. Then this guy starts over admin abuse, lol what you have played for 1 hour how the hell can you say I abuse? The rest of the server 30 peeps at that moment where on my hand tho! XD Kids these days....[/QUOTE] Sorry but thats just a bad mentality. I understand that some people will continue to hack but the whole "once a cheater always a cheater" isn't true at all. I used to cheat in rust when i first started but i have since stoped because I have much more fun playing legit. I have no plans to ever cheat again. You're acting as if people are incabable of change.

It's just our policy, VAC ban is server BAN. Sure there are people who don't cheat but the experience I got with fresh VAC banned people hade us made that that rule. I'm not going to babysit al those VAC banned people. We have hade an explosion of hackers last week and had to come up with something. Sure it's discrimination, but I want to keep our server playable for legit players. I spent my time seeking for hackers who haven't been VAC'd yet. It's a day time job. If I have to check all the VAC ban people to (because they all ready cheated so I think the risk is higher) there would not be enough hours in a day. We let VAC banned people in with VAC bans older then 1000 days. It doesn't stay on you're profile for nothing 'you are marked' Everybody playing on our server agrees with how we handle VAC bans. Plus the fact that he already cheated twice and Rust is a pretty hard game to get settled. I bet after being killed a 100 times loosing al gear being raided a couple time he wil turn to hacks. I rather ban a VAC banned person who doesn't cheat then let one guy ruin our community. The damage one hacker can do is amazing, people will leave if they lose there stuff again and again to hackers. We are a small 50 slot server wich was full everyday then the admins weren't interested in Rust anymore big clans left at a point the server was dead, then a mate and I became admin. Since then it only went up. Because of our super active admin'n, now yesterday we hit 50/50 once again and all players thank us for that. But it takes some rigorous steps. And if one turns to hacks most of the time the damage is already been done before they get caught, we want to be a step ahead.

[QUOTE=Bastwiest;44674453]It's just our policy, VAC ban is server BAN. Sure there are people who don't cheat but the experience I got with fresh VAC banned people hade us made that that rule. I'm not going to babysit al those VAC banned people. We have hade an explosion of hackers last week and had to come up with something. Sure it's discrimination, but I want to keep our server playable for legit players. I spent my time seeking for hackers who haven't been VAC'd yet. It's a day time job. If I have to check all the VAC ban people to (because they all ready cheated so I think the risk is higher) there would not be enough hours in a day. We let VAC banned people in with VAC bans older then 1000 days. It doesn't stay on you're profile for nothing 'you are marked' Everybody playing on our server agrees with how we handle VAC bans. Plus the fact that he already cheated twice and Rust is a pretty hard game to get settled. I bet after being killed a 100 times loosing al gear being raided a couple time he wil turn to hacks. I rather ban a VAC banned person who doesn't cheat then let one guy ruin our community. The damage one hacker can do is amazing, people will leave if they lose there stuff again and again to hackers. We are a small 50 slot server wich was full everyday then the admins weren't interested in Rust anymore big clans left at a point the server was dead, then a mate and I became admin. Since then it only went up. Because of our super active admin'n, now yesterday we hit 50/50 once again and all players thank us for that. But it takes some rigorous steps. And if one turns to hacks most of the time the damage is already been done before they get caught, we want to be a step ahead.[/QUOTE] Honestly i completely understand where you're coming from. The truth is hackers in rust are just insane. 1000 days since last vac is a little long though, but whatever you feel you need to do yo keep your server free of hackers is understandable. Although there certainly different circumstances for each individual i guess i can see why you wouldn't have time to weed through them all lol.

It's like getting a job with a criminal record...

So recently I found out about another glitch people can use, it's the glitching inside a rock one. I was checking someone who was suspected of hacking, so I TP'ed on him. I found my self standing on 2 or 3 foundations a couple large wood storages and a couple sleeping bags. I thought that's odd, why do you build such a thing. Until the guy moved and I followed, suddenly I was standing between the rocks!? I just came out of a rock say what!? So did some youtube-ing and it's a common glitch. It was near Portugal close to the road. But I don't know exactly wich large rock it was. So now I have to try the glitch my self on every rock there. -_- So what I also like to add to the list is something for admins to noclip or at least something so we can look through the rocks.

Rock glitching has been around for a while now and there are a TON of rocks you can build in on the map. It's near impossible to catch every person building in one. And as far as the anti hack mods....Well once the new coding comes out those mods will no longer work.

[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;44665259]- The ability to remove our name tag (maybe automatic when wearing invisible gear) - The ability to make no moving sound. If they cheat they can see you anyway.[/QUOTE] it's the point ... if they see you, give admins any clue that they can see you (following you, saying gtfo admin, stuff like that ... which happens 90% of the time when people have ESP), you know they ARE cheating. but this way when someone isnt cheating, you sure 100% that he cant hear/see you.

[QUOTE=Reneb;44764129]but this way when someone isnt cheating, you sure 100% that he cant hear/see you.[/QUOTE] If players are smart enough to use their hacks sparingly and in ways that don't draw attention (and despite the average intelligence of script-kiddies being on par with a potted plant, there are plenty who get this concept) then they're smart enough to pretend they don't see you when their ESP tells them you're there but they can't see your body. The admins need more power to fight abusers, but it needs to come in the form of analytical tools like detailed action/state/creation logs and CLI remote checks... NOT better god powers.