This game is in Alpha. Which means the purpose of it is to be played and throw feedback at the devs and hope they incorporate our feedback into the game . But so far I'm not seeing this . I mean nearly everyone spat on the idea of third person , and it's being added. People thought dinosaurs would be really cool , and we get told that they're not letting us "dictate" what goes into the game; the game that we bought to feel like we were part of the development of . But so far I have not felt like this . I feel like what we want isn't really being established into the game... they are doing what they want and giving us the middle finger. I guess only time will tell, but I'm slowly starting to regret my decision on this purchase. I mean it's only twenty dollars but still ... why can't the devs show some love ?
Buying into an alpha doesn't make you a developer. It makes you a bug tester.
They have the option to listen to their userbase but they're going to do what they want with [I]their[/I] game.
Sarcastic translation of the question:
*We payed 20 bucks, We own the dev team now. So why don't they implement our 200 page game design document ?*
[QUOTE=Lebowski;44804241]Buying into an alpha doesn't make you a developer. It makes you a bug tester.
They have the option to listen to their userbase but they're going to do what they want with [I]their[/I] game.[/QUOTE]
Buying a alpha doesn't even make you a tester, if they wane do closed beta next it's there call.
All you bought is a alpha game to support the team and to let them know you like the concept nothing more ...
no rights, no promises, no time frame, they ow you nada ... not even a finished game.
All you own is a broken alpha game and some dreams.
Garry wants to show Steam how easily exploitable the early access thing is. He can sit there and do nothing for five more years and after that he can say the game is finished. It would be totally legal and if someone complained about it here those people with unreasonable high post counts would spam the same old quotation of early access rules which pretty much say developers owe you nothing and you agreed to that.
You basically gave away Your money and now You should praise garry for every little update he does cuz he as well can do none.
[QUOTE=LordHater;44804435]Garry wants to show Steam how easily exploitable the early access thing is. He can sit there and do nothing for five more years and after that he can say the game is finished. It would be totally legal and if someone complained about it here those people with unreasonable high post counts would spam the same old quotation of early access rules which pretty much say developers owe you nothing and you agreed to that.
You basically gave away Your money and now You should praise garry for every little update he does cuz he as well can do none.[/QUOTE]
um no
garry and facepunch studios co are making rust because it's the game they want to make
not the game all you 12 year olds want
There are many people who think their thoughts are the only ones that matter, the idea of the egocentrism...when others find their egocentric ideas are shared they sometimes coalesce...oftentimes people are unaware of the world outside of themselves...
that said, it is only an idea...nothing is set in stone and neither is the vision, direction or theme of Rust (not that I know of).
The game may end up PVP only fps when it's done with none of the primitive elements SOME of us love.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44804504]um no
garry and facepunch studios co are making rust because it's the game they want to make
not the game all you 12 year olds want[/QUOTE]
Then they should wait with charging money for the game until it's finished to the point said 12yos can decide properly if they like the game or no. It's obvious kids are gullible and will look at early access games as thou they were finished, especially when they have to pay a full price.
Early access program should get some serious restrictions. Right now it's "Yes you got a free ipad, but there was that little annotation that said ur mouth is going to be sewn to someone's ass". Selling an underdeveloped game for it's full price with a rule that it can end up as a completely different game ignoring opinions of people that bought it is just ridiculous. Rust dev team is abusing this rule so hard. They are either incompetent or they are trying to change their target playerbase in order to get more money from new people.
I expect server owners to be able to toggle third person and I think enemies will be integrated through the item editor in the future. This will mean that not only will servers have there own generated maps and item rule sets but also the possibility for server owners to configure the type of enemy NPC. Each server will hopefully have the potential to be an entirely different experience. I believe Garry/Facepunch aren't listening to people at the moment because they have more knowledge of building the core of a game than the general folks making posts like this on the forums.
[QUOTE=LordHater;44804733]Then they should wait with charging money for the game until it's finished to the point said 12yos can decide properly if they like the game or no. It's obvious kids are gullible and will look at early access games as thou they were finished, especially when they have to pay a full price.
Early access program should get some serious restrictions. Right now it's "Yes you got a free ipad, but there was that little annotation that said ur mouth is going to be sewn to someone's ass". Selling an underdeveloped game for it's full price with a rule that it can end up as a completely different game ignoring opinions of people that bought it is just ridiculous. Rust dev team is abusing this rule so hard. They are either incompetent or they are trying to change their target playerbase in order to get more money from new people.[/QUOTE]
What is actually so hard about this?
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I want an answer.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44804760] I want an answer.[/QUOTE]
No dude, You want some fresh air and some sun. Both can be found outside of ur basement.
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I'm half/half about 3rd person. I think it'll encourage people to use foliage and other kinds of tactics which depend on your ability to know when you're concealed.
[QUOTE=LordHater;44804435]Garry wants to show Steam how easily exploitable the early access thing is. He can sit there and do nothing for five more years and after that he can say the game is finished. It would be totally legal and if someone complained about it here those people with unreasonable high post counts would spam the same old quotation of early access rules which pretty much say developers owe you nothing and you agreed to that.
You basically gave away Your money and now You should praise garry for every little update he does cuz he as well can do none.[/QUOTE]
Why are you here, in the Rust sub-forums, if that is truly what you believe? I find it reprehensibly sad that someone with so little faith in a developer would actually spend their free time on a site revolving around said developer.
[QUOTE=Pretty Boy;44804214]This game is in Alpha. Which means the purpose of it is to be played and throw feedback at the devs and hope they incorporate our feedback into the game . But so far I'm not seeing this . I mean nearly everyone spat on the idea of third person , and it's being added. People thought dinosaurs would be really cool , and we get told that they're not letting us "dictate" what goes into the game; the game that we bought to feel like we were part of the development of . But so far I have not felt like this . I feel like what we want isn't really being established into the game... they are doing what they want and giving us the middle finger. I guess only time will tell, but I'm slowly starting to regret my decision on this purchase. I mean it's only twenty dollars but still ... why can't the devs show some love ?[/QUOTE]
And i say thank god for the middle finger. If it was up to sqeakers, Rust would become a Dinosaur Call of Duty.
[QUOTE=Pretty Boy;44804214]This game is in Alpha. Which means the purpose of it is to be played and throw feedback at the devs and hope they incorporate our feedback into the game . But so far I'm not seeing this . I mean nearly everyone spat on the idea of third person , and it's being added. People thought dinosaurs would be really cool , and we get told that they're not letting us "dictate" what goes into the game; the game that we bought to feel like we were part of the development of . But so far I have not felt like this . I feel like what we want isn't really being established into the game... they are doing what they want and giving us the middle finger. I guess only time will tell, but I'm slowly starting to regret my decision on this purchase. I mean it's only twenty dollars but still ... why can't the devs show some love ?[/QUOTE]
lol you have NO SAY over what happens to the game. Quit acting so entitled just because you paid $20. I guess because its in alpha people get this warped idea that they control the game but wake up, you dont.
[QUOTE=ceasetobe;44805406]lol you have NO SAY over what happens to the game. Quit acting so entitled just because you paid $20. I guess because its in alpha people get this warped idea that they control the game but wake up, you dont.[/QUOTE]
I never said I control the game ... and i never said i felt entitled . I just thought that these ideas that were mostly wide spread accepted among the community would be implemented at some point or another.. I'm mostly just bummed about no dinos. tbh
[QUOTE=LordHater;44804435]Garry wants to show Steam how easily exploitable the early access thing is. He can sit there and do nothing for five more years and after that he can say the game is finished. It would be totally legal and if someone complained about it here those people with unreasonable high post counts would spam the same old quotation of early access rules which pretty much say developers owe you nothing and you agreed to that.
You basically gave away Your money and now You should praise garry for every little update he does cuz he as well can do none.[/QUOTE]
i said this 2 months ago and everyone spat in my face. this community is blindly loyal. this game is almost a year old... roflmaowowwtf zero updates in months, months. months. and the updates they are doing seem to only make the game worse. rust has been dead for a while now.
[editline]14th May 2014[/editline]
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1371105[/url]
I think Facepunch have been very clear and up front about the extent to which they'll take on board feedback from the user community - ie. "we'll listen to your ideas but won't necessarily act on them" (I'm paraphrasing). Which I'm totally fine with.
Off topic, but I do feel that a game that has netted funding in excess of $30 million should be progressing at a faster rate. It still feels like a 'bedroom project' to some extent. There's some good in that of course - Gary and the team clearly care about their product. But the speed of progress might ultimately not be able to keep pace with the industry as a whole, with Rust getting left behind as other - and dare I say potentially better games - capturing this niche of the market.
But we'll see... ;-)
[QUOTE=Pretty Boy;44804214]This game is in Alpha. Which means the purpose of it is to be played and throw feedback at the devs and hope they incorporate our feedback into the game . But so far I'm not seeing this . I mean nearly everyone spat on the idea of third person , and it's being added. People thought dinosaurs would be really cool , and we get told that they're not letting us "dictate" what goes into the game; the game that we bought to feel like we were part of the development of . But so far I have not felt like this . I feel like what we want isn't really being established into the game... they are doing what they want and giving us the middle finger. I guess only time will tell, but I'm slowly starting to regret my decision on this purchase. I mean it's only twenty dollars but still ... why can't the devs show some love ?[/QUOTE]
they are currently re writing the game so what more do you want the exp branch isn't quite working yet to stress test but it's getting there just chill out and enjoy the experience
[QUOTE=Cprl.Rst;44806091]they are currently re writing the game so what more do you want the exp branch isn't quite working yet to stress test but it's getting there just chill out and enjoy the experience[/QUOTE]
Exactly, Garry said some time ago that the rewriting will take some time, but then, when this is done, new features will come up really quick. I think we can see the beginning of it at this moment, yet some people will never be satisfied no matter what, demanding their dinosaur toys.
[QUOTE=LordHater;44804435]Garry wants to show Steam how easily exploitable the early access thing is. He can sit there and do nothing for five more years and after that he can say the game is finished. It would be totally legal and if someone complained about it here those people with unreasonable high post counts would spam the same old quotation of early access rules which pretty much say developers owe you nothing and you agreed to that.
You basically gave away Your money and now You should praise garry for every little update he does cuz he as well can do none.[/QUOTE]
What are you doing here ? Didn't you say you don't have time for the kids on these forums that didn't share the secret of the no recoil macro with you and you will focus more on your "motorcycle" ?(on your main account) Being a tester doesn't make you a developer . You test the game you tell them what's not working and what you'd like to see in the game . That doesn't mean they will add your ideas just because you paid 20$ . I personally hate the 3rd person but still I'm not gonna throw comments left and right asking why don't they listen to me because I paid 20$ . Have patience , the game will improve a lot in time .
[QUOTE=Mezamorphis;44806473]What are you doing here ? Didn't you say you don't have time for the kids on these forums that didn't share the secret of the no recoil macro with you and you will focus more on your "motorcycle" ?(on your main account) Being a tester doesn't make you a developer . You test the game you tell them what's not working and what you'd like to see in the game . That doesn't mean they will add your ideas just because you paid 20$ . I personally hate the 3rd person but still I'm not gonna throw comments left and right asking why don't they listen to me because I paid 20$ . Have patience , the game will improve a lot in time .[/QUOTE]
Dude, sorry to burst ur bubble but I don't have an alt account. Go ask a moderator if you don't believe me. Phail!
I think of it a lot like dealing with my wife.
She will ask me 'how should I cut my hair?'
If I say keep it long, and she cuts it short, I can pretend like she valued my input but went another direction.
If I say keep it long, and she keeps it long, I can pretend like she valued my input, so much so that she chose to listen to my advice.
Either way I win -- I can pretend like she valued my input, even if it actually mattered very little what I said.
Comparison time:
Battlefield 4 - DICE [URL="http://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-4/Battlefield-4-start-production-date-How-long-did-it-take-to-make/td-p/1641059"]started production shortly before BF3 was finished[/URL], so sometime before October 2011. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_4"]Release date October 2013[/URL]. At the very least 2 years were spent by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_4"]a team of [B]518 people[/B][/URL].
Facepunch (according to their [URL="https://trello.com/playrust/members"]Trello page[/URL]) currently has [U]20 staff members working on Rust[/U]. [B][U]20.[/U][/B] Expecting the game to be polished and perfect when production began almost a year ago is completely unrealistic and silly. As for not taking any player suggestions, have we all forgotten about the [URL="http://radmin.elasticbeanstalk.com/itemeditor/"]item editor site[/URL] that Garry's still working on? Some items from that have already been confirmed as being added to the game, the only reason why we're not seeing them pop up left and right is because, as mentioned above, [URL="http://playrust.com/friday-devblog/"]they're working on replacing the shitty placeholder code with future proof code[/URL]. This takes time, but they're chugging along, again, just look at their Trello page.
People need to be thrown a bone once in a while even though you as a dev don't really care much for them because you're working on code.
A lot of people just don't understand that.
Been a long time since the players got any update in the game they love playing, an update that was accepted atleast (durability and lockpicking is off on most servers).
So yeah I understand as I'm a developer myself that it can be annoying to get all these requests for updates while you're laying down the ground works and people just don't understand.
But they just like to see something, even if it is something small to play with.
So just throw them a bone and they will stop crying for a (little) while.
I've come to the conclusion that the Rust community is just a bunch of entitled jerks, absolutely myself included. (<-- sounds much more harsh than I had planned, don't look into it too much.)
I want an update as well. Or rather, I want the experimental branch to get finished up and in a playable state. I'm annoyed and frustrated that it's taking so long, but then again it's understandable... I just want to play a game that I love a lot.
What brought this to mind was the KSP community. Everyone is very excited for the new KSP update that had entered experimental stage which usually means it'll only be a couple weeks until release. Today, the lead dev posted on the forum stating that they are going to pull it out of experimentals and add more to the update, which of course means a longer wait time.
If this had happened on Rust, all hell would break loose in these forums. And don't even try to deny it, you all know it's true just as much as I do.
But on the KSP forums? Page after page after page of things like "Yea! Quality over quantity!" and "Not a problem guys, keep up the good work!" and "I don't mind waiting for some big updates." (paraphrasing)
There's definitely some of that around here too, but not as much as the devs deserve, in my opinion.
I guess what I'm getting at is that people just need to chill out. Things will happen, they'll just take time. I use KSP as an example because the community is a polar opposite of Rust's: friendly, patient, thoughtful, and helpful (all around, not just a couple people here and there).
KSP has been in development for over 3 years now and is still in Early Access, their dev team is comparable in size and scope. They don't put out updates for months and months at a time and no one complains.
I realize that these are two vastly different games that attract vastly different player bases. I also realize that this post isn't going to make a difference. I just hope that some people can take a page from KSP's book and, quite frankly, chill out a bit.
[QUOTE=bricktown;44805541]i said this 2 months ago and everyone spat in my face. this community is blindly loyal. this game is almost a year old... roflmaowowwtf zero updates in months, months. months. and the updates they are doing seem to only make the game worse. rust has been dead for a while now.
[editline]14th May 2014[/editline]
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1371105[/url][/QUOTE]
The experimental branch is proof that you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Pretty Boy;44805508]I never said I control the game ... and i never said i felt entitled . I just thought that these ideas that were mostly wide spread accepted among the community would be implemented at some point or another.. I'm mostly just bummed about no dinos. tbh[/QUOTE]
Someone else put it nicely. If they left it up to the "community" it would turn into call of duty with dinosaurs. They have to make the game THEY want to make. You can't listen to fans who think they know better.
I look forward to the big update. Am I waiting patiently? Not really but I decided I won't play another game of rust till that update rolls out. Till then I have plenty of games to keep me busy. ESO seems to be the main one atm.
Just take a break for awhile. Come back when the game is updated.
Bro you are not the only one, I think third person is like autoaim (is only my opinion).
Is not fun when you play first person and people use the view of the god (watch you from above) to kill you in thirdperson.
I think third person is ok only in single player and multiplayer where you play only third person and not first person.
I'm not saying what they should do and what they shouldn't becouse is not my job, but I like the immersion of the game, the way you can survive or die and the idea of mutated animal (like post apocalitc mutation nuclear accident).
[QUOTE=jappetto;44834423]Bro you are not the only one, I think third person is like autoaim (is only my opinion).
Is not fun when you play first person and people use the view of god (watch you from above) to kill you in thirdperson.
I'm not saing what they should do and what they shouldn't becouse is not my job, but I like the immersion of the game, the way you can survive or die and the idea of mutated animal (like post apocalitc mutation nuclear accident).[/QUOTE]
Yes I am sure there will be core and hardcore servers down the road that can toggle TPS on and off. No major issue imo. Similiar to many arma servers, you can have TPS server, and FPS only servers. No big deal.
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