How to fix the "gender problem". - Rust

Here's a simple solution to fix all the issues people are having with this. Keep everything in Rust on it's current path. Everyone gets a randomized gender and race. That's just how it is. But Allow it so that servers can be modded for an option to allow people to change their race and gender. This would cause the server to show up in the modded server list, and this should also mean that the current servers on the official list cannot use it. It allows the developers to continue on their path and also allows people to choose what they want their gender and race to be. Everyone is happy.

I think it's better that people are stuck and can't choose. I don't see why people can't just deal with it.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50128746]I think it's better that people are stuck and can't choose. I don't see why people can't just deal with it.[/QUOTE] They still would normally be. If they wanted to go on any other server other then the ones modded for appearance, they'd have their randomized character.

Why wouldn't mods be able to do this, regardless of whether the devs 'allow' it or not? Isn't that one of the selling points of mods in the first place? The ability to fundamentally alter developer choices?

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50128866]Why wouldn't mods be able to do this, regardless of whether the devs 'allow' it or not? Isn't that one of the selling points of mods in the first place? The ability to fundamentally alter developer choices?[/QUOTE] Never said they couldn't. They probably still will anyways. It's just that I think that getting this out there as an actual solution will help a lot more then complaining about whether or not people should be allowed to change their gender.

How about solving the complaining, by 'gasp', not having 200 identical threads every goddam week for whatever the current flavor of the month bitchfest is? Don't like things? Post about in one thread, and do something constructive instead of just crying and sulking. Alternatively. Don't buy early access games.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50129013]How about solving the complaining, by 'gasp', not having 200 identical threads every goddam week for whatever the current flavor of the month bitchfest is? Don't like things? Post about in one thread, and do something constructive instead of just crying and sulking. Alternatively. Don't buy early access games.[/QUOTE] Don't blame me. I personally am fine with the changes; I'm not complaining, only trying to offer a solution which is something constructive.

Woah, that's a bit aggressive. I don't think he's "crying and sulking".

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50129039]Woah, that's a bit aggressive. I don't think he's "crying and sulking".[/QUOTE] agreed, though i presume it's not directed specifically at tornado.

I commend Tornado for offering up a pretty decent idea. I started typing my thoughts out on the subject, but I'm sure people are going to get over this stupid social experiment phase and they'll start bringing it up less.

The question is , why have different genders and race if you cannot choose ? they may has well just left it as it was

What "gender problem"? [QUOTE=Sneak2;50129853]The question is , why have different genders and race if you cannot choose ? they may has well just left it as it was[/QUOTE] Why have different terrain if you cannot choose? Why have different loot in barrels if you cannot choose? Why have different underground ore locations if you cannot choose? Why have different newspawn locations if you cannot choose? Why have different airdrop locations if you cannot choose? Why have different resources if you cannot choose? It's almost like randomness is part of the game of something.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50128746]I think it's better that people are stuck and can't choose. I don't see why people can't just deal with it.[/QUOTE] So I'm guessing you got the gender you wanted? Funny how this argument seems to be largely divided into those who got what they wanted and think it's fine, and those who didn't, and don't... I personally think it's stupid that after more than 3,000 hours of playing as "Mr.Nice", I am now a small, black, fugly chick.

[QUOTE=neil.hillman;50130312]So I'm guessing you got the gender you wanted? Funny how this argument seems to be largely divided into those who got what they wanted and think it's fine, and those who didn't, and don't... I personally think it's stupid that after more than 3,000 hours of playing as "Mr.Nice", I am now a small, black, fugly chick.[/QUOTE] I don't own the game or care. If everyone's random, I don't have a problem with it. My character's look doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game, and it also prevents the game from looking completely comprised of dudes. Personally, I think it would be hilarious and awesome if I was a black woman in Rust.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50130581]I don't own the game or care. If everyone's random, I don't have a problem with it. My character's look doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game, and it also prevents the game from looking completely comprised of dudes. Personally, I think it would be hilarious and awesome if I was a black woman in Rust.[/QUOTE] Well, according to garry, half the population didn't like playing as dudes when there wasn't an alternative. So given a choice, it wouldn't be completely dudes.

[QUOTE=Maximum Over;50130219]What "gender problem"? Why have different terrain if you cannot choose? Why have different loot in barrels if you cannot choose? Why have different underground ore locations if you cannot choose? Why have different newspawn locations if you cannot choose? Why have different airdrop locations if you cannot choose? Why have different resources if you cannot choose? It's almost like randomness is part of the game of something.[/QUOTE] Not quite sure what your point is But Let’s get this straight I am not for or against choice I am just trying to understand what Garry is trying to achieve by introducing gender and race, if you cannot have the choice Because I cannot see how the game benefits considering the work that was put into all the modelling Also For a player to want to choose his or her gender or race in a role/FFS/survival playing game is only a natural human emotion you cannot expect all players not to want to be able to choose The rest of the things you mention are only game parameters that are expected to be random and are accepted in general to change for the sake of the playing different outcomes in the game but your personal char can be a very personal thing to a lot of players, Put it this way.. if there was a choice to change your race and gender and even facial expressions and hair colour in game, I would bet that a minimum of 75% would choose to do it and the rest would take that option at some point in their time playing the game its not sad or dumb its just a natural thing for people to want to do

[QUOTE=Sneak2;50130848] I am just trying to understand what Garry is trying to achieve by introducing gender and race, if you cannot have the choice Because I cannot see how the game benefits considering the work that was put into all the modelling [/QUOTE] Visual diversity of player models without the time and effort (and grotesque results) required to develop and use a customization system.

[QUOTE=Sneak2;50130848]Not quite sure what your point is [/quote] Your argument of "why have random ___ if you can't choose" is laughable. That's all. Character creation has NEVER been part of Rust. It's hilarious that nobody gave a damn until gender entered the game, and then the forums got flooded with people having meltdowns over the fact that there's a woman on the server. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grangoko;50131062]Visual diversity of player models without the time and effort (and grotesque results) required to develop a customization system.[/QUOTE] Let's face it: gamers are having meltdowns because they feel threatened that there's now a playable female character in the game. That's it. No change in the history of Rust has provoked this much NeckbeardOutrage (tm). The vast majority of us Rust players don't care. We're just endlessly amused by the "debate" (if we're going to call it that).

[QUOTE=Maximum Over;50131343]Your argument of "why have random ___ if you can't choose" is laughable. That's all.[/QUOTE] My question was not "why have random if you cant choose " don’t know were u got that from It was 1, why introduce different chars in the game if player can’t choose his char … Answer "a bit pointless" 2, what difference does it make to game play .....Answer "not a lot if any” I know Garry said he wants to make players more identifiable but to be honest when they are clothed you cannot tell the difference and I’ve noticed that there are so many spawning exactly the same anyway At this stage of the development I just don’t get the point of the char update but perhaps things will change

Why not reroll every wipe? That way it's a "brand new" game every time.

[QUOTE=jumonjii;50132466]Why not reroll every wipe? That way it's a "brand new" game every time.[/QUOTE] IMO this would be the best solution.

[QUOTE=Sneak2;50132245]My question was not "why have random if you cant choose " don’t know were u got that from [/quote] [QUOTE=Sneak2;50129853]The question is , why have different genders and race if you cannot choose ?[/QUOTE] So now that we've got that out of the way, it's random just like many other things in the game -- terrain, starting location, resource placement, etc. It adds an element of variety.

[QUOTE=jumonjii;50132466]Why not reroll every wipe? That way it's a "brand new" game every time.[/QUOTE] this, or have it tied to server seed + steam id. that way players get a different "person" on every server. if they don't like it, they wait for seed change or change servers.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50128746]I think it's better that people are stuck and can't choose. I don't see why people can't just deal with it.[/QUOTE] For a lot of us trans folks, this is a big deal. We already had to deal with losing the gender lottery once, and crushing dysphoria isn't something we want to deal with when playing games, usually a form of escapism. Personally, I feel like you should be able to reroll once per 2 months or something similar, to stop people spamming rerolls, but so people can feel comfortable playing the game.

What problem? I don't see any outrage either. As a side note, how about re-rolling gender and race every month with wipe? might be fun

This gender issue is just another excuse for the die hard morons to talk down to everyone else about how they dont understand the direction of the game. People want to choose what their characters look like for the exact same reason we are able to purchase skins and write signs.

[QUOTE=Valerokai;50144655]crushing dysphoria isn't something we want to deal with when playing games[/QUOTE] If a game leads to "crushing dysphoria", then you need professional metal health assistance. I'm not saying that as an insult, I'm saying it as in I genuinely want you to go get help defining boundaries for how much sway a game has over your life.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50128728]Here's a simple solution to fix all the issues people are having with this. Keep everything in Rust on it's current path. Everyone gets a randomized gender and race. That's just how it is. But Allow it so that servers can be modded for an option to allow people to change their race and gender. This would cause the server to show up in the modded server list, and this should also mean that the current servers on the official list cannot use it. It allows the developers to continue on their path and also allows people to choose what they want their gender and race to be. Everyone is happy.[/QUOTE] Every time you die, you get re-rolled. No?

[QUOTE=Limezor;50147186]Every time you die, you get re-rolled. No?[/QUOTE] That's a much better idea ignore what I was saying. Also when in my post where I said crushing dysphoria, I was a bit too extreme, but dysphoria can be caused by a shit ton of things even with proper mental health support and treatment.

Simply put, your character in rust is an external entity, not an extension of yourself to customize and live vicariously through. Obviously if you have a problem with the lack of customization in Rust you are looking this game to provide something it was never intended to provide for you.