Hi Facepunch. Long time Rust player here. I play a lot with a 6-8man clan and have done for a while now, returning to Rust every now and then to get on and have some fun. This is just my opinion so I hope people don't get too upset about it. I love this game and what it has become over the years, it has only gotten better and better and I trust with Garry and the team it will continue to do so. I have a lot of faith in this game. It really is some of the most fun I've had online.
However one major gripe I have with the game is the helicopter. It isn't enjoyable to play against and in the long term it only makes large clans (8+) stronger than they already are. Pretty much every time there's a wipe any smart clan runs to the warehouse monument (the one with the quarry) and sets up a base near there. Why this monument? It's because you can stand under it with a large group and freely shoot the helicopter with a fairly low risk of getting killed or even taking much damage at all. If you do it right you can gather resources, build your armory, quickly go farm that thing on its first spawn, the spawn after, and so on. It can lead to a pretty crazy snowball effect once you start farming it over and over. Every time it gets to that monument it can be taken down and looted really easily if your group is big enough to defend it. High end gear just starts to stockpile and while the M249 is OP as it is I have seen times where people have like over 5 of them and just decimate you in combat.
There is no incentive for new or low-geared players to try ninja the loot since large clans are so terrifying. And the worst part of all I think regarding the helicopter is that you can actually get killed by it when you're mining or chopping wood, or just walking out in the open with only a bow in your hands. It's no fun at all, especially in vanilla. My opinion is just that the helicopter is anti-fun and should be removed. It's no fun fighting it once you have a good strategy and it's like I said even less fun when you're fucking naked in a survival game getting killed by an ATTACK HELICOPTER. It also sometimes takes forever to fly away once it's spotted you, which can be a real drag.
Forgive me if this has already been posted about. I haven't played at all recently but the last time I saw some other people abusing this tactic was 3 or 4 weeks ago so I'm unsure if any changes were made since then. And even though I've read somewhere that the chopper isn't supposed to target people with nothing I have still felt that it does, as my friends or I for instance have died on occasion to it for no particular reason; we had hardly anything on us. When the helicopter was first added to the game it was pretty cool but now there's a whole meta surrounding the abuse of its AI and farming loot off of it I think it has to go or at least be changed somewhat.
Lol dude you can solo the helicopter.
Remove heli! lol
gee ,that's the main event! dont think there gonna remove the heheli...
one of these days, there gonna put in NCPs more than just the heli!... Get Rekt...
Not for sure, [B][U]but it should be an option too servers owners to have heli or Not! [/U][/B]
That would be a server command and facepunch would put in game panel for owners to switch off or on???
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[QUOTE=panzerguard;50305354]Remove heli! lol
gee ,that's the main event! dont think there gonna remove the heheli...
one of these days, there gonna put in NCPs more than just the heli!... Get Rekt...
Not for sure, [B][U]but it should be an option too servers owners to have heli or Not! [/U][/B]
That would be a server command and facepunch would put in game panel for owners to switch off or on???
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Maybe there is or atleast a mod for this already exists. I played on a medieval server a while back and there where never helis or airdrops.
[QUOTE=trustinrocks;50305487]Maybe there is or atleast a mod for this already exists. I played on a medieval server a while back and there where never helis or airdrops.[/QUOTE]
your right! btw, Now its possible to have Air strikes too, seen in video! Get those smoke signals Redy up , might come in handy to throw in someone base after all??? lol [B]Sudden Strike Air Smoke Signals [/B]
Good mod i guess ! leave no Bases standing?
[editline]12th May 2016[/editline]
besides if it was in game iam sure it would not be a crafted thing! it would be under the heli drop or a very rare heli drop no air drops! and the cannister color would be changed to red and not purple as it for the called air drop signal canister,,,,.....
Air strike should be limited to certain amount of bombs , that drops from Jet!!!!
Run for your life after that from a distance and watch the show! [U]and try not to pick up the canister [opposing Enemy][/U] You yourself might become Prime target!!! That's if the canister not a dud??
[B][U]probably, You see Homzy Flying around in a Jet Next! [/U][/B] @ Holmzy lol
ty 4 listening to KAOS Radio ! Hype! PINK FLOYD Quote! haha
Your telling me in rust you can fight a helicopter and have him shoot Rockets at you and then blow it up and watch it fall out of the sky and get C4 and M249's from it? You messed up facepunch that's horrible! That's no fun at all! It keeps killing me!............. Mate just have fun even if you died...that's what we're all here for right?
Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the glitches in the helicopter that allow people to abuse corners to take it down easily?
Is this thread for real? What next? Remove bears and wolves because they so mean? Then remove water because, you know, drowning?
Hearing the chopper arrive and running for cover is a huge part of the fun and of the dangerous atmosphere Rust provides. Considering it only comes by once every 2h30-3h30, it is REALLY not much of a setback for those poor farmers. Even more considering it will not shoot at you if you're naked with no ranged weapon in your bar.
Oh, and about that warehouse thing, any retarded group of two players can make helico towers and kill it with no difficulty at all. Defending the burning crates might be a challenge after that, but that's also part of the fun. Keep in mind that crates will drop one of those loot :
- 3 C4, 4 rockets.
- 4 HV rockets, 6 incidiary rockets
- 300 ish .556 bullets of all sorts
- 300 ish pistol bullets of all sorts
- an auto-turret pattern
- one AK
- one bolty
- one of each shitty addon (silencer/hollow/flashlight)
- one of each good addon (scope/laser)
- one M249
Four crates each time and the shitty loot seems to come by more often than the good one. So, considering the bullets, weapon durability and meds/food people use to bring it down, it is not always so rewarding to kill the chopper. Often, my group and I (3-6 ppl) would just let another group take it down and head to their base to contest the crates and leave with the loot :D
I really hope that, rather than remove those precious choppers, they add some new PvE events to enjoy and/or give incensitives to people to go out and PvP. Often, other than for those hourly airdrops (which are frankly not worth the trip) and the chopper, most people will just roof camp or hunt for nakeds.
[QUOTE=Aragor;50306239]Remove bears and wolves because they so mean. Then remove water because, you know, drowning.[/QUOTE]
i second your suggestions;)
the chopper should be endgame boss. it shouldn't be glitchy and possible to own with one person. it should take a team of people in a base. it should drop hqm by the tonne, and gear. it should have heaps of health, but do a little less damage.
it just needs tweaking imo.
Clans dominating monuments is nothing new. It's my single biggest gripe with the BP system. I'm really looking forward to experience.
As for the heli, I really think it shouldn't target players with a bow. No one is going to attack the fucking heli with a bow, but every Newman needs a bow if he's going to defend himself and get shit done. Why is it acting like bow wielders are a threat?
I think there should be more. If the heli is being attacked by a huge clan, it should be able to call in reinforcements.
[QUOTE=jumonjii;50307987]I think there should be more. If the heli is being attacked by a huge clan, it should be able to call in reinforcements.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like if you set it on fire, you eat a couple of rounds from the AC 130 - like the cargo drop plane poops on you.
Side note, I know one guy should be able to shoot it down, but can he keep the loot? I was camping a base that was fighting the heli earlier today on Rustnecks. While waiting for it to come down, I noticed more clanners watching from the rocks. I joined up with them and we ended up putting the tower guys on timers and getting all their shit.
Unless the server is totally dead, how is one guy going to manage it? There could be six people on and five will be at your base before you're done shooting.
[QUOTE=Aragor;50306239]Is this thread for real? What next? Remove bears and wolves because they so mean? Then remove water because, you know, drowning?
Hearing the chopper arrive and running for cover is a huge part of the fun and of the dangerous atmosphere Rust provides. Considering it only comes by once every 2h30-3h30, it is REALLY not much of a setback for those poor farmers. Even more considering it will not shoot at you if you're naked with no ranged weapon in your bar.
Oh, and about that warehouse thing, any retarded group of two players can make helico towers and kill it with no difficulty at all. Defending the burning crates might be a challenge after that, but that's also part of the fun. Keep in mind that crates will drop one of those loot :
- 3 C4, 4 rockets.
- 4 HV rockets, 6 incidiary rockets
- 300 ish .556 bullets of all sorts
- 300 ish pistol bullets of all sorts
- an auto-turret pattern
- one AK
- one bolty
- one of each shitty addon (silencer/hollow/flashlight)
- one of each good addon (scope/laser)
- one M249
Four crates each time and the shitty loot seems to come by more often than the good one. So, considering the bullets, weapon durability and meds/food people use to bring it down, it is not always so rewarding to kill the chopper. Often, my group and I (3-6 ppl) would just let another group take it down and head to their base to contest the crates and leave with the loot :D
I really hope that, rather than remove those precious choppers, they add some new PvE events to enjoy and/or give incensitives to people to go out and PvP. Often, other than for those hourly airdrops (which are frankly not worth the trip) and the chopper, most people will just roof camp or hunt for nakeds.[/QUOTE]
I heard they were thinking of introducing some kind a giant monster that roams the rust land and glows in the dark,,,, now that would be fun
Dude I've 2 man teamed the helo with bolts and AKs. Learn how to kill it and move on.
[QUOTE=Cowpker91;50329474]Dude I've 2 man teamed the helo with bolts and AKs. Learn how to kill it and move on.[/QUOTE]
Agree it's not hard and to OP learn how to unequip your things to avoid getting sprayed by the chopper it's pretty damn easy IMHO and is common knowledge at this point.
Most server chat will gladly tell you about this.
I was thinking of spawning an entire f**king NPC army as a wave in rust ... that would be really fun , and have like a sound alarm on rust when the army comes to wipe out every naked and everyone would be running to their bases ... that's so f**king fun , I sometimes get million dollar ideas but never use them
Ive upped the Heli damage and accuracy on my server. so everyone is in fear of it and so they should be IMO. :)
[QUOTE=kiansmith;50339265]Ive upped the Heli damage and accuracy on my server. so everyone is in fear of it and so they should be IMO. :)[/QUOTE]
You Evil :goodjob: :quotes: :smug:
Was just having the same thought about it the other day(that helps bigger groups get more loot while screwing over fresh spawns/solo) Sure you can take down solo but takes a lot of expensive HV rounds and the big groups will probably take you out before you could take it down solo. I see noobs complain again and again that it kills them while I see the big group on my server kill the heli everytime it comes and just get moee and more ammo from it. I hate nothing more than hearing it come in "well im not playing rust for the next 10 minutes"
Besides all that its horribly out of place for rust anyways.
[QUOTE=kiansmith;50339265]Ive upped the Heli damage and accuracy on my server. so everyone is in fear of it and so they should be IMO. :)[/QUOTE]
should add more hp too;) make it the harbinger of death.
Honestly, I agree with this point, but I have some more reasons.
1. The helicopter which flying around with HUMAN soldiers after a post-apocalypse ? sounds weird lol.
2. I agree with the point above, I playing in the clan called CPA (Not gonna motion the server) and we're at least 10-13 players in the clan. It's just give us more loot and its bit stupid.
However, I don't want you to take my point wrong, I actually want to see some more PVE events. For example, I really liked the "Caretakers" idea. Its makes a bit sense for me, at least.
Unfortunately doe, they won't remove this because that's mainly event (for now) that happens in the week. I don't think they gonna remove it till they adding somethings else (Like the caretakers or rad animals.)
They should add more (SENSEABLE) PVE challenge.
The chooper killed my friend and shot at me when we went out of our base with a totally uniquiped tool bar and naked, knowing that it was there, it killed him and i escaped back into our base
so it seems the chopper can get it wrong at times
Also i feel the chopper is out too long if it flew around the map once and went home it would not be too bad but it hangs about too long.
I know the chopper as a set timer and only stays so long then goes whatever is happening, but the 15 or so minuets is far too long in my opinion
For the arrogant guys who say you can solo the helicopter, or take it down with one hand tied behind your back...
You're right! Everyone else sucks, and you are awesome. There's is no need to tell us more, we bow to your elite awesomeness, and bask in your glory.
Now that we've got that out of the way, the other 95% of players who are not totally awesome, elite players find the helicopter to be a nuisance. I've tested going outside with just a rock and often it ignores me, other times it mows me down.
To all who claim this is impossible, I offer two words: It. Happens.
The helicopter casually goes around slaughtering people hitting barrels, and rewards large clans clans with lots of ammo and guns which they use to go around casually slaughtering people hitting barrels.
Most players react to the helicopter by going indoors, crafting something, and making a sandwich...at least until some big clan shoots it down so they can get the explosives they need to raid everybody else. This makes the helicopter an interesting game element, but one that the vast majority of players learn to dislike and avoid.
Most game rewards tend to widen the gap between the haves and have nots, and the devs don't seem to put much thought into the consequences of introducing new elements in the game. The flamethrower, for example, is the scourge of the newbie. It looks great, it's fun to use, but it makes building with wood a very unwise choice. Unfortunately, that's exactly the building material newbies use on their early houses.
If you want to make the helicopter more "fair", just have it hunt down people with weapons which can actually threaten it, or people who have already fired at it. Ignore waterpipe shotguns, bows, and revolvers. Simple.
You want a challenge? Try having 2 helicopters simultaneously. lol
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