Garry: 'Not having support for linux would be a major bummer. ' - Garry's Mod

I fully agree with you for a change, when can we expect Linux servers? Quote from [url]http://www.somedude.net/gamemonkey/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=174[/url]

[url]http://www.garry.tv/?s=linux[/url] [Quote] Will linux support ever be added for GMod? No [/Quote] [Quote] Will your games ever support Linux(Nativly)? Not unless Linux becomes the dominant platform (which it won’t, so no). [/Quote]

Makes me wonder what happened to Garry, where as he used to be sane and recognize Linux is a very popular OS for gameservers he turned around completely and now completely ignores it. I think the amount of Linux topics on this forum proves the point that it is a popular OS, and that a native Linux server should certainly be made. In a chat on IRC he told me it would take him about a days work to make native Linux servers, he could just spend that day of time and make at least a few hundred people happy. P.S: define dominance? Linux runs 88.6% of all supercomputers vs 1.0% of Windows, is that dominant enough?

[QUOTE=Woet;18185356]it would take him about a days work[/QUOTE] Let's just say that you always aim to have no problems creating something. You tend to have loads though - writing the bulk of code for something takes half as long as debugging it. Plus, I wouldn't expect Linux support to be easily created - He would need to make sure that there was no problems before releasing it - even then, there would be some problem he would have missed. tl;dr version: Garry won't make Linux support until he has more spare time than everyone on Facepunch put together.

[QUOTE=| FlapJack |;18185670]tl;dr version: Garry won't make Linux support until he has more spare time than everyone on Facepunch put together.[/QUOTE] I tried calculating that and my calculator said it was an irrational number.

Or he could give the code to the linux community and it would all be working in less than a week.

Don't think there is such a strong linux community around Garrysmod, as it has always been Windows only.

[QUOTE=Nisd;18187464]Don't think there is such a strong linux community around Garrysmod, as it has always been Windows only.[/QUOTE] Obviously you're not a server hoster.

No i am not a GSP if that is what you mean. But i do host my own Gmod Servers.

I know many GSPs, including myself, who would love to host GMod but are simple unable to do so because [b]you just don't run Wine and X on a server.[/b] And like I was saying earlier, if it would really cost him so much time (which it won't), why not raise donations for a Linux server? I'm pretty sure many people and GSPs would donate, Garry can spend a few days of his [i]very[/i] precious time and everybody will be happy.

[QUOTE=Woet;18199103]I know many GSPs, including myself, who would love to host GMod but are simple unable to do so because [b]you just don't run Wine and X on a server.[/b] And like I was saying earlier, if it would really cost him so much time (which it won't), why not raise donations for a Linux server? I'm pretty sure many people and GSPs would donate, Garry can spend a few days of his [i]very[/i] precious time and everybody will be happy.[/QUOTE] Garry would have to update and recompile these binaries every update too. He doesn't want to do it and he doesn't see the need for it as more than 3/4ths of all the Gmod servers are empty more than 90% of the time.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;18199214]Garry would have to update and recompile these binaries every update too.[/QUOTE] If he has coded it properly it will only take a few minutes, and compiling requires no user input whatsoever. [QUOTE=slayer3032;18199214]He doesn't want to do it and he doesn't see the need for it as more than 3/4ths of all the Gmod servers are empty more than 90% of the time.[/QUOTE] And people buying servers at GSPs spend money, hence will put a lot of time and effort into the server itself. I think the quality of those servers will be far better than all those random home hosted ones.

Look at the post date. [quote=Garry posted on] PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:08 pm [/quote] So, as per usual, don't expect any linux servers evre.

[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;18201436]Look at the post date. So, as per usual, don't expect any linux servers evre.[/QUOTE] I didn't quote it to show Garry wants to make Linux servers, I quoted it because that was written by a sane Garry who recognizes Linux as a proper OS. His current behavior is completely opposite of the post I quoted, which is a shame.

[QUOTE=Woet;18200714]If he has coded it properly it will only take a few minutes, and compiling requires no user input whatsoever. And people buying servers at GSPs spend money, hence will put a lot of time and effort into the server itself. I think the quality of those servers will be far better than all those random home hosted ones.[/QUOTE] It's another step that can cause more problems, don't forget that there are many things that are integrated into Garry's Mod such as Lua Modules which can and would only be able to be used as a dll file compiled for windows only. There are too many things that can and would break because of Linux not being the same environment as windows.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;18211831]It's another step that can cause more problems[/QUOTE] You could say that for every new feature in every product worldwide. Linux will cause many more GSPs to pick up on Garry's Mod 10, which will in turn will cause more professional and maintained servers to show up instead of empty, lagging, crashy home hosted ones.

[QUOTE=Woet;18227869]You could say that for every new feature in every product worldwide. Linux will cause many more GSPs to pick up on Garry's Mod 10, which will in turn will cause more professional and maintained servers to show up instead of empty, lagging, crashy home hosted ones.[/QUOTE] Most GSPs offer a Windows OS for a small price. It's something you will either have to pay, or don't bother hosting.

[QUOTE=Woet;18227869]You could say that for every new feature in every product worldwide. Linux will cause many more GSPs to pick up on Garry's Mod 10, which will in turn will cause more professional and maintained servers to show up instead of empty, lagging, crashy home hosted ones.[/QUOTE] Because that $10 a month from a datacenter REALLY kills you. It will cause more problems because Garry does not and won't ever thoroughly test his game on SRCDS. Linux is a totally different environment, Garry's Mod relies on many Windows based features and these features would either need to be removed on linux or ported (Normally a bad thing). If you can't maintain a server properly please stop hosting servers, It's not your GSP's fault that source eats a metric fuckton of CPU for physics and 90% of the addons where created by people who think optimization means making the code smaller. Oh, welcome to 2009. The differences in how much a server could handle would be so small that you probably wouldn't ever notice it, instead you would be blinded with the "LINUX USES LESS RESOURCES SO SERVER FASTER, WINDOWS IS BAD" bullshit. Now, I realize that Linux is great for hosting and all but the advantages of running SRCDS on Linux are so small that it should not be brought up that Linux is better to run SRCDS on. In all seriousness, if your GSP can't afford a Windows box for their company they should not be in business, not everything that could be hosted will have Linux binaries either.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;18230070]Because that $10 a month from a datacenter REALLY kills you. It will cause more problems because Garry does not and won't ever thoroughly test his game on SRCDS. Linux is a totally different environment, Garry's Mod relies on many Windows based features and these features would either need to be removed on linux or ported (Normally a bad thing). If you can't maintain a server properly please stop hosting servers, It's not your GSP's fault that source eats a metric fuckton of CPU for physics and 90% of the addons where created by people who think optimization means making the code smaller. Oh, welcome to 2009. The differences in how much a server could handle would be so small that you probably wouldn't ever notice it, instead you would be blinded with the "LINUX USES LESS RESOURCES SO SERVER FASTER, WINDOWS IS BAD" bullshit. Now, I realize that Linux is great for hosting and all but the advantages of running SRCDS on Linux are so small that it should not be brought up that Linux is better to run SRCDS on. In all seriousness, if your GSP can't afford a Windows box for their company they should not be in business, not everything that could be hosted will have Linux binaries either.[/QUOTE] It isn't about affording, it's about: a) Control Panels not being Windows compatible b) Untested (for the GSPs) c) No engineers who know the ins and outs of Windows d) Licensing costs and management Most GSPs only use proper operating systems aka Linux, just go past some of the popular GSPs, you'll see barely any of them host Garry's mod, such as: -Gameservers.com -XTR Gameservers -Low Pings -Nuclear Fallout -Trinity Games -Vee Servers GSPs aren't going to switch to a new OS just because Garry is too lazy to make Linux binaries, just spend a few days of your time on Linux binaries and you'll see many GSPs pick up on it. D.I.P.R.I.P. has test binaries and it's their highest priority, Age of Chivalry has linux binaries, Dystopia has linux binaries, Insurgency has linux binaries, and I could go on and on. Is it so hard to spend a few days so you can make Linux binaries many people want?

a) Use a controle panel that is? That can't be garrys problem. b) Untested? Look on the stats of how manny servers TCAdmin is "helping" to host? [url]http://www.tcadmin.com/sig/live.png[/url] c) There is. But they aint cheap. d) A license aint that expensive, and there is no more management then on a linux server. And you find enough GSP that host with Windows OS

Again, just make Linux binaries, I think I've proved the need for them more than enough by now.

No, you've just shown you'll happily whine until you get them. There's a crapton of stuff Gmod relies on windows for to even function correctly. One example is the http panel in lua, it relies on internet explorer which when I last checked, Linux doesn't come with. Also, binary modules will only work on windows, seeing as people don't want to make a .dll and the linux equiv. It simply won't happen, and in the end, no one really cares.

[QUOTE=Woet;18238268]Again, just make Linux binaries, I think I've proved the need for them more than enough by now.[/QUOTE] All you've proven is you're too cheap to pay for a licence.

[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;18238793]No, you've just shown you'll happily whine until you get them. There's a crapton of stuff Gmod relies on windows for to even function correctly. One example is the http panel in lua, it relies on internet explorer which when I last checked, Linux doesn't come with. Also, binary modules will only work on windows, seeing as people don't want to make a .dll and the linux equiv. It simply won't happen, and in the end, no one really cares.[/QUOTE] [12:39:19] <Woet> seriously, how much time will it take for you to compile for linux? [12:39:26] <garry> a day or two [QUOTE=| FlapJack |;18238950]All you've proven is you're too cheap to pay for a licence.[/QUOTE] It isn't about the license, it's about the idea and compatibility.

[QUOTE=Woet;18239090][12:39:19] <Woet> seriously, how much time will it take for you to compile for linux? [12:39:26] <garry> a day or two It isn't about the license, it's about the idea and compatibility.[/QUOTE] Doesn't mean the binaries would work correctly or be bug free.

[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;18239106]Doesn't mean the binaries would work correctly or be bug free.[/QUOTE] Well, I don't see anyone trying? An alpha/beta Linux server is better than nothing, we can write our own workarounds. Nothing is bug free.

Linux isn't compatible with GMod. It's high time you accept that.

GMod isn't compatible with Linux, that's a major difference.

[QUOTE=Woet;18239378]GMod isn't compatible with Linux, that's a major difference.[/QUOTE] It's not Garry's fault that Linux does not support dll files now, is it?

[QUOTE=| FlapJack |;18239404]It's not Garry's fault that Linux does not support dll files now, is it?[/QUOTE] LOL. You made my day.