Sassilization Drama - Garry's Mod

So this drama has been going on lately, I would like to know what the Facepunch community thinks of it. I personally don't care because Sassafrass has sure taken his time, but here it goes. I use to play Sassilization way back, been checking their website and some drama linked to this other community has come up. Turns out to be a host of a PERP server called Areangaming or Sniperboys it was known as or something like that... Seems that they have put up a Sassilization server with a lounge and the actual RTS working, tried it and it was fun. I have no idea if it's actually legal or not or what this whole drama ordeal is about. I found it interesting. [url]http://www.areangaming.com/showthread.php?542-Sassilization-and-the-future-of-AreanGaming/[/url] There's also a couple different places in the Sassilization forums and the chat referring to their website and what they're doing. But hey, I found it fun and functional, and Sassilization has opened their own server but it's only a single one with 9 slots. Kind of hard to get into. IP to their lounge: 208.115.216.42:27026 IP to I guess real Sassilization: 70.99.244.25:2701 --had this in the General Discussion of Facepunch--

[code] function:CheckGamemodeUseLegality() return true end [/code] It's more or less illlegal to host whatever stolen gamemode you want, really. I've never heard of someone being sued over it, though. So in retrospect, they probably will get DDoSed by kiddies from sass trying to defend it honor rather than them being slapped over legal issues.

Who gives a shit

[QUOTE=Archemyde;40837152][code] function:CheckGamemodeUseLegality() return true end [/code] It's more or less illlegal to host whatever stolen gamemode you want, really. I've never heard of someone being sued over it, though. So in retrospect, they probably will get DDoSed by kiddies from sass trying to defend it honor rather than them being slapped over legal issues.[/QUOTE] I've sent copyright infringement notices about people using leaked scripts of mine without permission. They were forced into taking it down.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;40838238]I've sent copyright infringement notices about people using leaked scripts of mine without permission. They were forced into taking it down.[/QUOTE] Forced by whom? If they took it without your permission knowing that you didn't want to them to have it, they're not likely to take it down if you asked them to. If they were using it not knowing that it was infringing on copyrights - then they may have took it down. There's no magical cyber cops that enforce internet laws.

[QUOTE=>>oubliette<<;40838297]Forced by whom? If they took it without your permission knowing that you didn't want to them to have it, they're not likely to take it down if you asked them to. If they were using it not knowing that it was infringing on copyrights - then they may have took it down. There's no magical cyber cops that enforce internet laws.[/QUOTE] Their host. And if that doesn't work, notifying their upstreams tends to work. There's nothing a host likes less than their cheapest customers getting them legal trouble.

[QUOTE=>>oubliette<<;40838297]There's no magical cyber cops that enforce internet laws.[/QUOTE] They're called lawyers and real cops, who enforce the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;40838304]Their host. And if that doesn't work, notifying their upstreams tends to work. There's nothing a host likes less than their cheapest customers getting them legal trouble.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, hadn't considered that. [QUOTE=joe_sandwich;40838362]They're called lawyers and real cops, who enforce the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. If your government isn't losing money over it they don't give a fuck.

[QUOTE=joe_sandwich;40838362]They're called lawyers and real cops, who enforce the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.[/QUOTE] It's worth bearing in mind that DMCA is a US-only law. The Berne Convention is a much better article to cite for copyright breaches (because then you'll be listened to in 165 countries instead of 1)

I thought we had covered all this before... theres a whole host of Sassilisation content and that from loads of other places on a website. The drama around leaks is limitless... At the end of the day if you can format correctly any form of ownership claim to content in a valid manner (which is easy in the case of this because its got Sass and Sass website all over it) then anyone will take anything down. The fact of the matter is they don't want the trouble and to them its free money because they can cancel your service without notice and leave you out of pocket.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;40838238]I've sent copyright infringement notices about people using leaked scripts of mine without permission. They were forced into taking it down.[/QUOTE] Do you have proof that this is breaking the copyright infringement?

[QUOTE=bluemist;40839234]Do you have proof that this is breaking the copyright infringement?[/QUOTE] Copyright is automatically held by the creator of a unique work. Sassafrass hasn't said anything personally, but as a contributing developer Aaron has some right to say this: [t]http://i.imgur.com/eDoPaPR.png[/t] That comment was in response to a thread on the sass forum about the server running a version of the leak.

[QUOTE=bluemist;40839234]Do you have proof that this is breaking the copyright infringement?[/QUOTE] If you're one of these people that thinks "scripts can't be copyrighted because they're plain text" you're just plain wrong.

My comment: Seriously? You're stealing a gamemode which you have 0 permission to use, not even changing the name like a retard and seriously considering it as well? You have to be kidding me, you did not make this, and I can tell you with 99% confidence that you will be ddos'd 24/7 with 500000 TB/s, there's no point in trying, you will kill your own community, I don't ddos, I can't even ddos, and I won't, but you are surely commiting suicide by launching this server for even a second, don't be retarded and leave other people's work alone. Admin said:holy shit our outdated gamemode for 4 years is being picked up by someone else because we couldn't be arsed to fix it? quick call garry he has connections to the internet FIB permission? read the above, along with (in my own opinion) if you leave something to die, you don't deserve to have it anymore the name's being left as it is not because we don't know how to change it but because renaming it and calling it our own is really fucking diskish. you should know this, what with your threats coming towards us at 500000 TB/s. why do you think PERP's still called PERP on all the servers that run it? because it isn't theirs, and calling it their own makes them look incredibly stupid, bad, and above all an ass so if we're really committing suicide, instead of telling us to do it, how about you pull up a chair and watch the show. you never know, it may turn out that we thrive so much that you might be the one to put a barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger. would make the world a shitload better Okay these guys are idiots. Edit: It's funny because the sassilization servers are back up again...

Aaaaaaand they're down.

Look ok lets just finish this discussion because its never going to establish a meaningful existence... Sassilisation (the group) has been on a rather slippery slope for a while and probably has met its maker... The fact its gamemode have been on "said site" I mentioned earlier and they have made no real effort to get rid of is says one thing. At the same time they themselves have had little to say in general about what they have done and have decided to play a game of "it's coming it really is", "only a bit more to do" for as long as I can remember now. Sass have played the whole thing with themselves wrongly and are likely to continue to do so for the foreseeable future because the times have changed and they haven't. Now if they decided to take this further it would help much more if people were to stop sending threats to either side or attacking either side. Leave it be because you can't do anything here to help.

[QUOTE=Alkalisk;40844585]Sassilisation (the group) has been on a rather slippery slope for a while and probably has met its maker...[/QUOTE] The fact that so many people still follow them proves that they are far from dead, despite the people who would like them to be dead. [QUOTE=Alkalisk;40844585]The fact its gamemode have been on "said site" I mentioned earlier and they have made no real effort to get rid of is says one thing. [/QUOTE] Actually, Aaron implied that they will take action. [QUOTE=Alkalisk;40844585] At the same time they themselves have had little to say in general about what they have done and have decided to play a game of "it's coming it really is", "only a bit more to do" for as long as I can remember now.[/QUOTE] They've done a decent job of keeping people updated when their is progress. Plus, there's a sort of open beta being done by the community that one of the developers own. [QUOTE=Alkalisk;40844585]Now if they decided to take this further it would help much more if people were to stop sending threats to either side or attacking either side. Leave it be because you can't do anything here to help.[/QUOTE] I haven't really seen any threats or negative actions being taken, just people discussing it out of interest and bringing it to people's attention.

[QUOTE=joe_sandwich;40844908]The fact that so many people still follow them proves that they are far from dead, despite the people who would like them to be dead. Actually, Aaron implied that they will take action. They've done a decent job of keeping people updated when their is progress. Plus, there's a sort of open beta being done by the community that one of the developers own. I haven't really seen any threats or negative actions being taken, just people discussing it out of interest and bringing it to people's attention.[/QUOTE] If that makes you happy, its kwl with me... We're done here.

It's funny how Areangaming said the code is open source, and blaming me for ddos while I was under the shower. Sorry, I don't have a high tech knob to send packets.

The reality is the gamemode is leaked, Sass doesn't have the gamemode up anymore, and hasn't for atleast three years now. Maybe it's just time for them to move on, and not turn into another xenophobic failure like Pulsar Effect.

bad community and bad gamemode why would you every want to host that oldass gamemode their community/servers died for a reason. Its pure bad

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40849816]The reality is the gamemode is leaked, Sass doesn't have the gamemode up anymore, and hasn't for atleast three years now. Maybe it's just time for them to move on, and not turn into another xenophobic failure like Pulsar Effect.[/QUOTE] Couldn't be better said, it seems that this is the result of any community which lasts past their founder's influence basically.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;40849908]Couldn't be better said, it seems that this is the result of any community which lasts past their founder's influence basically.[/QUOTE] I think this is very true but at the same time I think Sass lived in a time where anything custom got you players because really all the other options were limited and competition almost non-existent. These days you can get things like deathrun etc that are far more interesting and diverse then Sass's ever was.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40849816]The reality is the gamemode is leaked, Sass doesn't have the gamemode up anymore, and hasn't for atleast three years now. Maybe it's just time for them to move on, and not turn into another xenophobic failure like Pulsar Effect.[/QUOTE] Infact the official RTS server was opened up a couple of days ago.

[QUOTE=Knoxed;40851907]Infact the official RTS server was opened up a couple of days ago.[/QUOTE] The key part of the RTS was the lobby and the fact that isn't ready or something to some degree like that isn't, makes the whole thing look like a rush job in order to make it look like something happening. In a sense doing that is worse than having nothing and just posting pictures. Pictures build expectation, physical results use it up. If this current server doesn't deliver all the expectation will have gone and they will be back to square one.

[QUOTE=Fabiolous;40843625]My comment: Seriously? You're stealing a gamemode which you have 0 permission to use, not even changing the name like a retard and seriously considering it as well? You have to be kidding me, you did not make this, and I can tell you with 99% confidence that you will be ddos'd 24/7 with 500000 TB/s, there's no point in trying, you will kill your own community, I don't ddos, I can't even ddos, and I won't, but you are surely commiting suicide by launching this server for even a second, don't be retarded and leave other people's work alone. Admin said:[B]holy shit our outdated gamemode for 4 years is being picked up by someone else because we couldn't be arsed to fix it? quick call garry he has connections to the internet FIB permission? read the above, along with (in my own opinion) if you leave something to die, you don't deserve to have it anymore the name's being left as it is not because we don't know how to change it but because renaming it and calling it our own is really fucking diskish. you should know this, what with your threats coming towards us at 500000 TB/s. why do you think PERP's still called PERP on all the servers that run it? because it isn't theirs, and calling it their own makes them look incredibly stupid, bad, and above all an ass so if we're really committing suicide, instead of telling us to do it, how about you pull up a chair and watch the show. you never know, it may turn out that we thrive so much that you might be the one to put a barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger. would make the world a shitload better[/B] Okay these guys are idiots. Edit: It's funny because the sassilization servers are back up again...[/QUOTE] Yeah, that dumb admin was me. Regardless of what you, or anyone else thinks of Arean and the people inside its community (including me), what I've said right there has been repeated in this thread a couple of times: [QUOTE=slayer3032;40849908] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40849816]The reality is the gamemode is leaked, Sass doesn't have the gamemode up anymore, and hasn't for atleast three years now. Maybe it's just time for them to move on, and not turn into another xenophobic failure like Pulsar Effect.[/QUOTE] Couldn't be better said, it seems that this is the result of any community which lasts past their founder's influence basically.[/QUOTE] Just accept that someone else has your community's outdated gamemode, and stop with this pointless drama. The fact that the OP has come to Facepunch to complain about this just makes Sass' community look bad, and in some ways, ours too. And for the record, we're not trying to advertise here.

[QUOTE=El_Jameo;40852487]Yeah, that dumb admin was me. Regardless of what you, or anyone else thinks of Arean and the people inside its community (including me), what I've said right there has been repeated in this thread a couple of times: Just accept that someone else has your community's outdated gamemode, and stop with this pointless drama. The fact that the OP has come to Facepunch to complain about this just makes Sass' community look bad, and in some ways, ours too.[/QUOTE] I'm actually banned from Sassilization, and don't like them, but what you're doing is blatant plagarism.

[QUOTE=Fabiolous;40852504]I'm actually banned from Sassilization, and don't like them, but what you're doing is blatant plagarism.[/QUOTE] Yet we're keeping the gamemode's name the same (as far as I know, not sure if Phantom has the idea of changing it, doubtful that he will though). We're just fixing it up and running a copy, not calling it our own.

[QUOTE=El_Jameo;40852545]Yet we're keeping the gamemode's name the same (as far as I know, not sure if Phantom has the idea of changing it, doubtful that he will though). We're just fixing it up and running a copy, not calling it our own.[/QUOTE] that would be stealing the code AND changing the name legit

[QUOTE=Knoxed;40853656]that would be stealing the code AND changing the name legit[/QUOTE] wut? It's Garrysmod. Hold onto your belongings a little better and don't hire 10 kids to do nothing but to leak your shit later on.