Looking for a business partner for a garry's mod server. - Garry's Mod

Right, so here's the infomation. we're setting up a Garry's Mod TTT server. One of my close friends owns a server, and he earns £100 monthly on donations. So we need somewhere to host it, we need someone to port forward or buy it from a hosting site, until donations come in and we can feed it back into the system until we don't need your help and you don't have to buy it, then if you wish, you can continue.

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I don't know if you actually read the post, but, it did say we would reroute it back into the hosting so we can pay it. However, if there is an excess of money and we don't need it all, we could upgrade the server instead of putting it into our own pockets!

Ah sorry, totaly misinterpredeted that sentance >.<

It's all good!

I would totally do this, but I'm out of funds, and can't portforward.

I don't really get why you can't buy the server your self, its not that expensive.

Yeah, but I don't have the money for it right now:P

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41471349]Yeah, but I don't have the money for it right now:P[/QUOTE] Why don't you wait until you do then? A plugpayplay 32 slot server is only £8

You do make a point, but I am fairly certain we have a decent deal on the table :P

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41471404]You do make a point, but I am fairly certain we have a decent deal on the table :P[/QUOTE] So you want someone to pay for the server and when the money starts coming in, hand most of it over to you?

No, it says they could still host it, or we could take over hosting (they'd stay as one of the owners).

Why split the donation money with the owners so they can use it for whatever they want? I dont get this... The POINT of donation money is to get server funds. Even if you have lots of it, save it for the future. And don't think when you are going to run a TTT server 100 GBP will appear instantly. You need to put lots of work into the community if you want to earn money.

What exactly is your part in all this? You want someone else to buy a server for you and they only get 1/3 of the donations. How will you benefit the server?

[QUOTE=Zaure;41472905]What exactly is your part in all this? You want someone else to buy a server for you and they only get 1/3 of the donations. How will you benefit the server?[/QUOTE] By managing the plug-ins and everything else. I will be in charge of hiring staff and creating the website. I would also administrate the server. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Knoxed;41472796]Why split the donation money with the owners so they can use it for whatever they want? I dont get this... The POINT of donation money is to get server funds. Even if you have lots of it, save it for the future. And don't think when you are going to run a TTT server 100 GBP will appear instantly. You need to put lots of work into the community if you want to earn money.[/QUOTE] I dun goofed with that last line :P I agree with you %100

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41472997] creating the website (as I have html coding experience)[/QUOTE] [quote](as I have html coding experience)[/quote] ha ha ha ha ha oh my god you really have no idea at all, do you

[QUOTE=hunterNormandy;41473289]show us what you've done with html... i want to see your... [i]experience[/i] lool he snipped the part where he said he had html coding experience.[/QUOTE] Yes, yes I did, it's generating hate and I deleted it.

[QUOTE=hunterNormandy;41473374]but you said those words... why dont you stand by what you say? i mean when you typed it out the first time you must have had confidence in it. my request still stands i want to see your html coding experience. please.[/QUOTE] At the moment I am working on a 'blog' of sorts. It's still being written. I have to finish the css code. When I finish it I could gladly give you the site, but as of right now, I can't.

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41473361]Yes, yes I did, it's generating hate and I deleted it.[/QUOTE] It's not generating hate, it's generating ridicule. Because it was ridiculous. Web development goes so much deeper than HTML - HTML is actually a pretty small fragment of what goes into a functional website. Not to mention, HTML is not code. It's markup. Your little business venture here is not going to work - you're offering hardly anything in return for a great deal of work. It's like asking someone to pay you so that they can have the privilege of cleaning your toilet.

[QUOTE=robowurmz;41473408]It's not generating hate, it's generating ridicule. Because it was ridiculous. Web development goes so much deeper than HTML - HTML is actually a pretty small fragment of what goes into a functional website. Not to mention, HTML is not code. It's markup. Your little business venture here is not going to work - you're offering hardly anything in return for a great deal of work. It's like asking someone to pay you so that they can have the privilege of cleaning your toilet.[/QUOTE] I hardly think that administrating the server is nothing in return, as well as being in charge of the staff, and hosting it using a website is not a great deal of work.

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41473437]I hardly think that administrating the server is nothing in return, as well as being in charge of the staff, and hosting it using a website is not a great deal of work.[/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feB7Oc8rw1o[/URL] e: perl or bust

[QUOTE=robowurmz;41473472][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feB7Oc8rw1o[/URL] e: perl or bust[/QUOTE] If my opinion truly is wrong, please, explain what is so hard about using a website to host a server?

1. It sounds like your basically getting a free-ride without doing any of the work. 2. What do you bring to the table in this deal 3. You do realise the magnitude if TTT servers out there, I've worked for alot of them and setup there donation systems the owner still has to pay after a year, even if it gets filled regularly. 4. You should never make a community for the money or the fame rather see it as a hobby. 5. When you invest in something you want your money back and more I think I would rather partner with someone who knows what they are doing, normally community owner partnership goes like this 1 person supply's the funds for the server, the other makes the server itself individual. Basically a coder+ a producer. Unfortunately you don't sound like either.

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41473498]what is so hard about using a website to host a server?[/QUOTE] A webserver is not a game server. You can't host a server with a website. You host a server with, well, a server. A website is a collection of pretty web pages for people to look at. A game server is a system process communicating and coordinating with multiple game clients. Or, as is likely to be the case here, communicating and coordinating with no clients. Because trying to use a webserver to run a dedicated game server is going to end in tears. e; funny story i remember a guy who once used ssh access on his web server to try and run a minecraft server, and completely blew apart his bandwidth, memory usage, and cpu limits. the hosting company certainly wasn't very happy about his breaking their terms of service either.

[QUOTE=robowurmz;41473535]A webserver is not a game server. You can't host a server with a website. You host a server with, well, a server. A website is a collection of pretty web pages for people to look at. A game server is a system process communicating and coordinating with multiple game clients. Or, as is likely to be the case here, communicating and coordinating with no clients. Because trying to use a webserver to run a dedicated game server is going to end in tears.[/QUOTE] By hosting with a website, I didn't mean a website in itself, I meant a professional server hosting site. ex: [url]http://nitrous-networks.co.uk/garrysmod[/url]

[QUOTE=-Boomly;41473574]By hosting with a website, I didn't mean a website in itself, I meant a professional server hosting site. ex: [URL]http://nitrous-networks.co.uk/garrysmod[/URL][/QUOTE] So you mean using a hosting company? What was your alternative, buying a server rack and a T1 connection? Besides, where is your html wizardry going to come into this then? You're buying a gameserver, so you won't have anything to do with HTML. I still don't get why it is at all attractive for anyone to pay money to host your server, with such a paltry reward as admin control and some of the donations. If they're willing to shell out for a host, they can host the server themselves, and get ALL of the donations and do whatever the hell they want. In case you weren't aware, money doesn't just appear in people's bank accounts. They have to work to make that happen. Affording another drain on your money every month is not usually in everyone's best interest, unless they have a really good reason to do it. Pay the money for hosting yourself. I hate to break it to you, and I mean this in the nicest of ways, but you're a complete clod.

I love how everyone appearantly thinks it's a con

it IS a con "YOU PAY MONEY TO DO A THING FOR ME. I'LL GIVE YOU ADMIN AND SOME OF THE MONEY I MAKE OFF OF YOUR MONEY. YOU WILL LITERALLY BE WORKING AT A LOSS HERE. I WILL USE MY HTML MAGIC CODING SHIT TO MAKE THIS SERVER GOOD, WHILE YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY HOSTING A SERVER THAT HAS NO FUCKING PLAYERS EVER BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER FUCKING TTT SERVER" i mean come on, how clearly do we have to spell this out to you? your idea is shit. it is shit. your idea is shit. you have a shit idea. the idea, which you have, is shit. here let me make a graph for you: [img]http://puu.sh/3DPiM.jpg[/img] I've tried being informative. I've tried being reasonable. I've tried not to be blunt, but you have consistently failed to take the message on board that your idea is shit

I don't want to leave you on a bad note, Boomly - I'm just trying to drill some sense into you about this. A far more reasonable deal would be something as follows: You pay for the hosting of the gameserver, and offer a cut of donations to potential coders who can write gamemode stuff for you - this will encourage them to produce quality work, because quality work means more players, and more players means more donations. I do wish you the best in your endeavours, I really do - but you're going to have a much worse reaction than the one we gave you if you try to go forward with your original plans in the real world. e; Just one more thing - if someone else was hosting your server, and the two of you had an argument about something like administration rights or the amount of donations being shared, that person could completely ruin your server and your credibility. By paying for the hosting yourself, you're not leaving yourself open to dangers like that.

"Yeah, my friend gets £100 in donation money!" Well, where the hell is that going if you're asking people to host a server for you?