The Corruption within CoderHire

[GarrysModRP]

My Coder and I recently bought a cheap script from Coderhire called ULX Essentials by Lost Alien. We liked it and saw how popular and useful ULX commands could be, so we took a shot at writing a list of our own. We came up with a ton of useful commands and called it MoreULX. One of the commands included ULX crash and ULX crashban.

Lost Alien seeing that there was now another ULX command pack on CoderHire immediately went into the comments and said "If you're buying this just for the crash, don't, here's the code... " and then went to spoil the entire command. I pointed out the fact what he did was against CoderHire's ToS, but he just told me he didn't think we should be selling scripts anyway since they're too simple according to him.

A few hours Later, my Coder gets banned from CoderHire for "Selling other people's work". Completely untrue since I was with him as he wrote them himself. I waited for him to finish one script and we tested it as I gave him more ideas. He's appealed but nothing so far.

Now just a few days later Lost Alien puts up a new script called ULX Extended: [url]http://coderhire.com/browse/script/704/ulx-extended[/url] (You don't have to click the link)

It's obviously a direct copy of many of our commands, including a Disconnect Menu (which we called ulx listjoindcs), Cleanup (which we called ulx clearragdolls), Clear Decals (Which we called ulx cleardecals) Crash and Crashban (which we called ulx crash and ulx crashban), Jump Power, Run Speed and Walkspeed ( ulx jumppower, ulx runspeed, ulx walkspeed), Size (which we called ulx scale). This is no coincidence.

So maybe he has a few that we didn't make, but that still doesn't mean they're original.
One of them being ULX Give. Not original: [url]http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.php?topic=4386.0
[/url].
And ULX Warn? Not original either [url]http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.php/topic,5958.0.html
[/url].

Here is the splash art I created for my friend to upload along with MoreULX before it was removed.

[t]http://i.imgur.com/IOoL5Ob.png[/t]

In fact, here's the proof we created the script before he did:

[t]http://i.imgur.com/3jj5QDW.png[/t]

[t]http://puu.sh/5viVo.jpg[/t]

He took advantage of the fact my coder got banned to upload the same script and profit from it:

He doesn’t even deny it. In fact, in his own comments he states:
[b]"Thanks mate, but hell, ulx is easy, but it is useful and there is money in it. I knew I had to release this as fast as possible after the other guy was banned. :P"[/b]

So as soon as he posts ULX Extended, I comment saying what he's doing is hypocritical and disgusting. Of course, Lost Alien reports it and it was gone within a few minutes.
Then I got banned for "flaming and saying things that aren't true.”

Perhaps people don't realize how frustrating it is when your work is removed, stolen, and monetized and the person infringing flaunts it and isn't even punished. In fact, I get punished for even exposing him! So here we are at this moment, there are probably a dozen more people buying this script not realizing what type of corruption has occurred.

The biggest problem though here is Coderhire, as they obviously didn‘t even consider the case or ask for evidence. My coder gets banned for "selling other people's work" even though they had no proof he stole anything. Firstly, it wasn't anybody else's work, like I mentioned, I waited around as we developed and tested these commands. But then I get banned for even mentioning what Lost Alien is doing. But to be honest, Alien probably won’t even be banned for this.

[TheMrFailz]

Well shit... Alien's an ass.

I don't buy from Codehire anyway. Imo trying to code something you want yourself is much better than just going out and buying it.

[skullorz]

As a side note: He also said he was surprised his commands got in, and that CoderHire should be used for selling scripts with more effort put into them like VC-Mod.

[Silentfood]

[img]http://puu.sh/5vlic.png[/img]
This isn't a moral support group. Don't use this forum to vent your feelings about CoderHire to.

[Cyrix]

Astounding. I can not believe the management going on behind CoderHire. To blatantly permit this to happen? Who's Alien to [U]judge[/U] what scripts are worthy of selling.

[cartman300]

I feel like the guy should be punished... a lot...

[IMG]http://puu.sh/5vlxU.png[/IMG]

[GarrysModRP]

[QUOTE=Silentfood;43003337][img]http://puu.sh/5vlic.png[/img]
This isn't a moral support group. Don't use this forum to vent your feelings about CoderHire to.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your on-topic opinion on the matter at hand.
But why shouldn't I, Silentfood? I own my own community, they deserve to understand what's going on as well shouldn't they? I did not force an opinion on anybody. Let's not derail this thread.

[kwk]

Hasn't the guy in charge of the whole website been pointed out as being corrupt himself? He has an account here on FP, and would constantly respond to FP posts about him with troll-ish behavior and bullshit that he couldn't even be taken seriously.

The whole management is bad. I'm sorry to say, but you're better off getting over it. There's corruption and abuse in just about every business/corporation (in a non conspiracy theorist way of saying), and unless you get a huge group of people on your side, nothing will actually happen.

[skullorz]

[QUOTE=pixskull;43003361]First of all why are you sending people over from your server to fix the ratings.
[img]http://puu.sh/5vlgN.png[/img]

Then there's this

How are you allowed to get away with this.[/QUOTE]

considering 99% of our members don't have facepunch accounts i find this hard to believe.
and if you think crashban is bad, don't come on our server to break rules.

[skullorz]

[QUOTE=pixskull;43003611]Nobody cares about your autistic drama. What makes it even worse is the fact that you sent your fans over here to back you up.

It's DarkRP. GG you've give a bunch of 12 year old autistic admins the ability to mess people's games up. "Banned 120 mins - DUNT DISRESPECT"[/QUOTE]

Good job, you've proven you didn't even join.

[skullorz]

[QUOTE=pixskull;43003783][img]http://puu.sh/5voqo.png[/img][/QUOTE]

I really don't get what this is supposed to mean, but if it's you saying one of my community's members sent that, you're probably wrong. In any case it's probably referencing your use of the word "autism" and its forms. Otherwise I don't get why you're trying to get other people to speak for you.

edit: realized what the message was directed at. i have no idea who actually sent you that message, so what you're implying is incorrect.

[Sally]

-snip- I get the post now

[zerothefallen]

Wrong area. Post in the coderhire thread with proof, not your sap story for your little 14 year old clan members can all rate you winner.

[c👌de_g🎷]

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;43003940]Wrong area. Post in the coderhire thread with proof, not your sap story for your little 14 year old clan members can all rate you winner.[/QUOTE]

I rated him winner because the post was well organized and he had the proof all present. There's a nice way to redirect people to the correct location and an asshole way.

[Cyrix]

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;43003940]sap story[/QUOTE]

Try this: Compose yourself a large portion of work, submit it to be sold, and let someone steal it so they may claim it as theirs and make money from it. Additionally, you can entertain the thought of being silenced from presenting your case to those responsible for the mistake while the culprit remains unpunished. After all that, then try to reduce your situation to a "sap story". Deontic thinking would suggest people seek to fix injustice, but it's certain here you simply don't care.

[GarrysModRP]

[QUOTE=zerothefallen;43003940]Wrong area. Post in the coderhire thread with proof, not your sap story for your little 14 year old clan members can all rate you winner.[/QUOTE]

(Generic wrong-section-didn't-read-don't-care User)
You trying to raise your post count or something?

I am yet to find a single member from my community aside from my own Coder who has rated or participated on anything on this thread. Why are you so worried about this? I couldn't care less how many stars and gold stickers I get from this post anyway.

[Whiterabbit]

[QUOTE=Cyrix;43004914]Compose yourself a large portion of work..[/QUOTE]
I'd agree if it was unique work, but this is just simple ulx commands, most of which can already be found online.

Set runspeed/walkspeed/jumppower are beyond simple, you just call the thing you need on the player, ply:SetJumpSpeed, etc. [URL="http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.php?topic=4501.0"]And was previously available for free[/URL]
ulx crash has been around for ages [url]http://pastebin.com/G8vcS00X[/url]
Same with cleanup, [URL="https://www.google.com.au/search?output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cleardecals_svn.lua&=&=&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1"]clear decals[/URL] and clear ragdolls, and [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1270059"]stopsound[/URL], code has been pasted around before.
[URL="http://code.google.com/p/pnhscripts/source/browse/trunk/ULX_SVN-HeLLFox_15/lua/ulx/modules/sh/sh_nolag.lua?r=18"]nolag[/URL] (+ I've seen another one that set phys_timescale to 0)

[knoxed]

Wow, really? I think I just lost some hope for Coderhire there.

[Sally]

[QUOTE=wh1t3rabbit;43005134]I'd agree if it was unique work, but this is just simple ulx commands, most of which can already be found online.

Set runspeed/walkspeed/jumppower are beyond simple, you just call the thing you need on the player, ply:SetJumpSpeed, etc. [URL="http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.php?topic=4501.0"]And was previously available for free[/URL]
ulx crash has been around for ages [url]http://pastebin.com/G8vcS00X[/url]
Same with cleanup, [URL="https://www.google.com.au/search?output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cleardecals_svn.lua&=&=&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1"]clear decals[/URL] and clear ragdolls, and [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1270059"]stopsound[/URL], code has been pasted around before.
[URL="http://code.google.com/p/pnhscripts/source/browse/trunk/ULX_SVN-HeLLFox_15/lua/ulx/modules/sh/sh_nolag.lua?r=18"]nolag[/URL] (+ I've seen another one that set phys_timescale to 0)[/QUOTE]

Saying that's so does this change anything about what happened? The guy still got scammed and banned when trying to report it.

[GarrysModRP]

[QUOTE=wh1t3rabbit;43005134]I'd agree if it was unique work, but this is just simple ulx commands, most of which can already be found online.

Set runspeed/walkspeed/jumppower are beyond simple, you just call the thing you need on the player, ply:SetJumpSpeed, etc. [URL="http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.php?topic=4501.0"]And was previously available for free[/URL]
ulx crash has been around for ages [url]http://pastebin.com/G8vcS00X[/url]
Same with cleanup, [URL="https://www.google.com.au/search?output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cleardecals_svn.lua&=&=&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1"]clear decals[/URL] and clear ragdolls, and [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1270059"]stopsound[/URL], code has been pasted around before.
[URL="http://code.google.com/p/pnhscripts/source/browse/trunk/ULX_SVN-HeLLFox_15/lua/ulx/modules/sh/sh_nolag.lua?r=18"]nolag[/URL] (+ I've seen another one that set phys_timescale to 0)[/QUOTE]

I'm not disagreeing with you, they're commands that rely on simple concepts. But having known this, you could have written and submitted these "simple ulx commands" as well and made a good profit for having done it before anybody else. People might pay for originality, but they will also pay for convenience.

The injustice here isn't that we can't sell "simple code". It's that somebody else can. What's unfair is that our code was considered somebody else's work and forcefully removed. Meanwhile Lost Alien steps up and makes the same move and here is profiting from it without punishment when it's clearly no coincidence he included our very own commands. He took advantage of the fact my coder was banned to upload the same thing himself.

And we can't discredit Cyrix's statement just because we wrote a short story instead of a novel. Work is work, and when somebody steals yours, it's not an enjoyable experience.

[Johnny Guitar]

lost alien's avatar makes this worse for himself.

[Lost__Alien]

I feel like all of this is a bit 1 sided since nobody is hearing my side of the story. If people are curious, or care, I'd love to tell my side of the story, instead of being called an ass out of no where. :)

EDIT: Was immature and frustrated, apologies for that.

[c👌de_g🎷]

[QUOTE=Lost__Alien;43005581]You lazy shit 'coder' stole code and released. Since it sold well, I made my own version and sold it. Congrats on you and your coders bans.
As for crashban, it is not harmful. So I see nothing ethically wrong, if you are using it on propspammers, to make them taste their own medicine.
For anyone that is supporting hipster, you should speak to Undefined, if you want to hear it from the man himself. I find it pretty funny when people get butthurt, and whine on facepunch though :D

[editline]28th November 2013[/editline]

Oh and the disconnect thing and cleanup, were commands I had laying around for a dlc. The only ideas I took from you was the crashing. I didn't want to include at first, but since Undefined accepted them for you, I decided to add it to mine.

And my avatar is Captain Qwark from Ratchet and Clank, one of the most played games of my childhood. If anyone wants to bash me or jump the gun before hearing both sides of the story, feel free to pm me on coderhire, since I am never on facepunch.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to be impartial when you explain your side of the story so immaturely.

[GarrysModRP]

[QUOTE=Lost__Alien;43005581]You lazy shit 'coder' stole code and released. Since it sold well, I made my own version and sold it. Congrats on you and your coders bans.
As for crashban, it is not harmful. So I see nothing ethically wrong, if you are using it on propspammers, to make them taste their own medicine.
For anyone that is supporting hipster, you should speak to Undefined, if you want to hear it from the man himself. I find it pretty funny when people get butthurt, and whine on facepunch though :D

[editline]28th November 2013[/editline]

Oh and the disconnect thing and cleanup, were commands I had laying around for a dlc. The only ideas I took from you was the crashing. I didn't want to include at first, but since Undefined accepted them for you, I decided to add it to mine.

And my avatar is Captain Qwark from Ratchet and Clank, one of the most played games of my childhood. If anyone wants to bash me or jump the gun before hearing both sides of the story, feel free to pm me on coderhire, since I am never on facepunch.[/QUOTE]

See, you immediately assume he stole it. And that's all it is, an assumption. Did you purchase the script? Did you read the code? Here you actually admit you stole our idea. You just confirmed everything I've been saying for the past few hours. Like I was saying, it's no coincidence, and now you're actually affirming it. I didn't know if I'd have a hard time convincing people it, but you've done it for me.

Now that we clearly see he intentionally stole our ideas, it's pretty simple to see how the blame falls on CoderHire for doing nothing to stop it. If they want to claim our script was "stolen", then how would taking part of "stolen" code not also produce stolen code? They had no proof our code was stolen anyway, well here's mine.
[QUOTE=Lost__Alien;43005581]ideas I took from you[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lost__Alien;43005581]for you, I decided to add it to mine[/QUOTE]
He has admittedly confirmed he stole our idea, what will CoderHire do to punish him? Likely nothing.
Even after he spitefully tried to convince people not to buy our script by leaking it into the comments section.

Coderhire, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Goodnight.

[_Undefined]

Do we have to do this every fucking time someone releases something similar to something else.

The code that the OP's friend uploaded is copy/pasted from around the web. It wouldn't have been removed from the site if that wasn't true. If it's really required, I can provide links to the places the commands were copied from.

Lost Alien's code is not copied from the web, does not use anyone else's code, and is his own. Every link to try prove that Lost Alien has copied work is false, the code is simply not the same.

Edited:

Also I'd like to point out a few more false statements below.

[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;43003151]
Lost Alien seeing that there was now another ULX command pack on CoderHire immediately went into the comments and said "If you're buying this just for the crash, don't, here's the code... " and then went to spoil the entire command.[/quote]
Lost Alien did not post your code (which you copied from [url]http://pastebin.com/G8vcS00X[/url]). The code he posted is now in his own script.

[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;43003151]
He's appealed but nothing so far.[/quote]
Completely untrue, you're the only one who's said anything about Hipster being banned.

[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;43003151]
So maybe he has a few that we didn't make, but that still doesn't mean they're original.
One of them being ULX Give. Not original: http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.p...c=4386.0<br />.
And ULX Warn? Not original either http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.p...8.0.html<br />.[/QUOTE]

Neither of these are copied, as are none of the others. Originality isn't a factor, copyright infringement is.

[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;43003151]
The biggest problem though here is Coderhire, as they obviously didn‘t even consider the case or ask for evidence. My coder gets banned for "selling other people's work" even though they had no proof he stole anything. Firstly, it wasn't anybody else's work, like I mentioned, I waited around as we developed and tested these commands. But then I get banned for even mentioning what Lost Alien is doing. But to be honest, Alien probably won’t even be banned for this.[/quote]
I think you better ask Hipster if he did actually code this himself from scratch. I think you may have been given false information.

[Lost__Alien]

Thanks _Undefined. And I want to apologize to anyone that I offended in my post immature above, I got a little angry when I saw a hate thread about me. If anyone wants to hear my side of the story (which _Undefined covered the important aspects of), I'd be happy to tell it anyways.

[GarrysModRP]

[QUOTE=_Undefined;43005814]I think you better ask Hipster if he did actually code this himself from scratch. I think you may have been given false information.[/QUOTE]

I am Hipster. Sorry I didn't clarify that earlier. That being said I also am not the coder.

[editline]28th November 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=_Undefined;43005814]
Lost Alien did not post your code (which you copied from [url]http://pastebin.com/G8vcS00X[/url]). [/QUOTE]

You've got to be kidding me. This function is a known method of closing the client's game, we didn't need to search the internet for it.

Ours are completely different. I see no indication it is stolen. Looking at that code and mine, the only thing similar is the method used to do it. That 18 line script is only 8 in ours. This is what you mean by copy and pasting?

How is theirs:

local function ulx_CrashTheGuy( slayer, ply, comment )
 
        ply:SendLua("cam.End3D()")
 
end
 
local CATEGORY_NAME = "Utility"
 
local function ulx_lolcrash( ply, target, comment )
        if not comment or comment == "" or comment == "StringArg" then
                ulx.fancyLogAdmin( ply, "#A crashed #T without a reason.", target )
                pcall( ulx_CrashTheGuy, ply, target, "" )
        else
                ulx.fancyLogAdmin( ply, "#A crashed #T with the reason #s", target, comment )
                pcall( ulx_CrashTheGuy, ply, target, comment )
        end
end
 
local lolcrash = ulx.command( CATEGORY_NAME, "ulx crash", ulx_lolcrash, "!crash" )
lolcrash:defaultAccess( ULib.ACCESS_SUPERADMIN )
lolcrash:help( "Crashes the victim's game." )
lolcrash:addParam{ type=ULib.cmds.PlayerArg }
lolcrash:addParam{ type=ULib.cmds.StringArg, ULib.cmds.optional, ULib.cmds.takeRestOfLine }

The same as ours:

function ulx.crash(calling_ply,target_ply)
	target_ply:SendLua("cam.End3D()")
	ulx.fancyLogAdmin( calling_ply, "#A crashed #T", target_ply )
end
local crash = ulx.command("MoreULX", "ulx crash", ulx.crash, "!crash")
crash:addParam{ type=ULib.cmds.PlayerArg }
crash:defaultAccess( ULib.ACCESS_ADMIN )
crash:help( "Crashes the target." )

[url]http://maurits.tv/data/garrysmod/wiki/wiki.garrysmod.com/index4aac.html[/url]
[t]http://puu.sh/5vDCw.png[/t]

Sucks that I had to give away the fun and magic by releasing our own code, but what part of that is stolen? If we wanted to copy or paste anything, it would be from the Gmod Wiki Library and it would be roughly two words, cam.End3D(), not this poor guy's code. Is this really why you permanently banned him from the site and removed all his scripts?

[_Undefined]

Alright, I'll admit I'm wrong in this instance. Given him a free month subscription and restored the script.

Continuing to claim that Alien copied code is just plain wrong though.

[GarrysModRP]

I appreciate it _Undefined.

I'll drop all claims against Lost_Alien as well.

[Lost__Alien]

Hipster, I have no intention, of stealing your sales, or getting you banned. You code had so much free stuff, that you didn't build on / make better, and so I bashed it. I didn't mean to start a war. You on the other hand, are doing everything you can to bring me down. If you had kept it on coderhire, I wouldn't have minded, but that fact that you are bringing it to Facepunch is just not cool though. You dedicated a bunch of time to just bash me here, and clearly it is working. [IMG]http://puu.sh/5vEdH.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/5vEf3.png[/IMG]

Starting a debate, argument or a discussion would be fine, but your aggressive tone and attacking me, without presenting your own wrongs, is not.