Ragdoll posing in Gmod; aren't some making too much of a big deal about it? - Garry's Mod

Now, this thread is just due to something I noticed recently, I skimmed through the comments on a few ragdolls that were added on garrysmod.org, and someone asked if they could be made into playermodels, and people replied "No, of course not, playermodels are useless.". Now, that's what bothers me; has Garry's mod really become so pretentious so that it's only reserved for pompous artists? Isn't the point of a game to play it? I mean, I know they do great work and all, but it feels like they more and more act as if the gameplay aspects of this game is for "lesser" players. And before you hit me with the "Garry's mod is a sandbox game, it's made for everything. So you can't define it's purpose.". Well, I'm not, I'm just curious if others have noticed that as well, how, there's nothing wrong with posing, but, well, read the post again...

Gmod is a first person game. You can't see yourself. It's extra work for the person who made the ragdoll. Playermodels are worthless. Not to mention that you can always just use Ragmod if it's that huge of a deal to you. [B]EDIT: [/B]You're only pissed because people in the Screenshots section didn't like your stuff.

Actually, they found it to be adequate. Haven't posted anything in months, though. But, thanks for making my point. [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] Oh, and, playermodels are great for roleplaying servers, and for people who likes to play the game instead of just sitting hours on in tweaking stuff with a gravgun for the sake of renown.

I suppose that either the creator did not know how to do it, or he just made the ragdoll because he wanted to use it for just that, posing.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26600176]Actually, they found it to be adequate. Haven't posted anything in months, though. But, thanks for making my point. [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] Oh, and, playermodels are great for roleplaying servers, and for people who likes to play the game instead of just sitting hours on in tweaking stuff with a gravgun for the sake of renown.[/QUOTE] ...Tweaking stuff with a gravgun? Did you [B]KNOW[/B]? In GMod there is this one thing called physgun and it looks like [B]THIS:[/B] [img]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3012/gmodphysgun.png[/img] Posing happens to be the thing I do 99% of the time and it was the first thing I did in GMod. Here are some examples: [img_thumb]http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9841/gmatomic0000f.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4631/rflounge010015.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4476/ep2outland10a0011.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1698/ep2outland10a0002.jpg[/img_thumb]

It's an issue of rigging the model correctly. Of course, to me, there's nothing more useless than props/ragdolls whose only purpose is to look pretty.

[QUOTE=Civil;26602160]Posing happens to be the thing I do 99% of the time and it was the first thing I did in GMod. Here are some examples:[/QUOTE] That looks terribly boring and generic. You should probably spend your time doing something else more interesting. You look like an exact description of the "pompous artists" OP is talking about, and he's right about the fact that we have way too many of them.

[QUOTE=_Kilburn;26605348]That looks terribly boring and generic. You should probably spend your time doing something else more interesting. You look like an exact description of the "pompous artists" OP is talking about, and he's right about the fact that we have way too many of them.[/QUOTE] I do it because I think it is fun to make. I am not editing them in any way like most of you [B]"good screenshot makers"[/B] are. I pose the models that I download because that is what they are used for. I think that my screenshots are better than the most shitty possible ones that GModers can make. Spam of props etc. I do not post them in the screenshots section.

Some people enjoy ragdoll posing more than building contraptions, and I have no problem with them. Do what you enjoy in Gmod. Whole point of it is to have fun...but when they start getting all high-and-mighty like ragdoll posing is the only true purpose of Gmod according to some secret bullshit conversation with Garry and building contraptions is for the plebes, that's when I have a problem. TL;DR - If you like posing ragdolls, do it. Just don't be a fucking elitist about it.

[QUOTE=D34THROW;26607214]but when they start getting all high-and-mighty like ragdoll posing is the only true purpose of Gmod according to some secret bullshit conversation with Garry and building contraptions is for the plebes, that's when I have a problem.[/QUOTE] Who the hell acts like that?

HERPA DERPA I PUT RAGDOLL IN A POSE ON A GAME I AM SO ARTISTIC AND COOL! I mean really if you wanna do art just paint, or something.

ragdoll posing? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiA2exoUpKo[/media] or you can do controllable ragdolls made of props for some crazy looking contraptions :smug:

[QUOTE=DJSergei;26613585]HERPA DERPA I PUT RAGDOLL IN A POSE ON A GAME I AM SO ARTISTIC AND COOL! I mean really if you wanna do art just paint, or something.[/QUOTE] If you really want to build something get a degree in engineering.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26618173]If you really want to build something get a degree in engineering.[/QUOTE] Mass agree. GMod is there so that people can do what they want.

[QUOTE=The Vman;26600149]Gmod is a first person game. You can't see yourself. [/QUOTE] You can! I can show you how if you want?

People don't do it, because it's just a massive extra load of work for very little reward. It's not as much people getting high and mighty about the issue, it's more akin to people that port models getting seriously annoyed by someone always showing up and demanding playermodels. Look at most release threads, sooner or later someone shows up and goes MAKE THEM PLAYERMODELS AND NPC NAOW NAOW!! If you see similar reactions often enough, you tend to get dickish about the issue sooner or later. I'd personally say that really the only good reason why to have a skeleton rigged to the valve biped is a possibility of easily transfering animations sets from one model to another - which is a boon for movie makers. Admittedly if you can do that, making it a playermodel is quite easy. But the work involved in getting it on the valvebiped is just annoying and often makes the model look like ass. I'm sure that if it were feasible and someone where aproached by an RP community with a potential, lucid, doable requests on playermodels they might consider it.without a

[QUOTE=wraithcat;26621634]People don't do it, because it's just a massive extra load of work for very little reward. [/QUOTE] Isn't that pretty much the source engine in general? And also; sorry for bothering you people, I forgot how your hair-trigger egotism gets in the way of all kinds of reason. Ah, well, good to be back.

Not really. Keep in mind that to get a working playermodel you must rig the model to the valve biped which you cannot rescale. So that brings you to having to rescale the model, on top of that when you port it's not that hard to recover the model's original skeleton which more or less reduces the workload a lot.

[QUOTE=Vinze;26600040]Now, this thread is just due to something I noticed recently, I skimmed through the comments on a few ragdolls that were added on garrysmod.org, and someone asked if they could be made into playermodels, and people replied "No, of course not, playermodels are useless.". Now, that's what bothers me; has Garry's mod really become so pretentious so that it's only reserved for pompous artists? Isn't the point of a game to play it? I mean, I know they do great work and all, but it feels like they more and more act as if the gameplay aspects of this game is for "lesser" players. And before you hit me with the "Garry's mod is a sandbox game, it's made for everything. So you can't define it's purpose.". Well, I'm not, I'm just curious if others have noticed that as well, how, there's nothing wrong with posing, but, well, read the post again...[/QUOTE] I agree. For some reason, gmod seems to attract a very disproportionate amount of elitist ass-hats whom furiously blazons their insignificant opinions and slanders everyone who objects. I try to ignore them.

[QUOTE=Surma;26655031]I agree. For some reason, gmod seems to attract a [b]very disproportionate[/b] amount of elitist ass-hats whom furiously blazons their insignificant opinions and slanders everyone who objects. I try to ignore them.[/QUOTE] No.

Oh gee, this game has a huge community attached to it who create lots and lots of mods, skins and models. This is terrible!

Vinze is the victim here for sure.

I play as a red Spartan from Halo on my own single-player server even though 90% of the time, I don't see myself. Sometimes I'll switch to a Hannah Montana model and go on a suicide spree, sometimes I'll play as a Stalker. Depends on whatever. I did one ragdoll posing session when I was making a Gmod setup guide for my clan. I had Alyx, the TF2 spy, and 2 headcrabs. Alyx was holding a text screen, the spy was about to backstab her, she had a headcrab on her head and one more jumping at her. Took me like an hour. Never again. Like I said, if you like it, go for it, just don't be elitist about it :)

[QUOTE=Civil;26602160] Posing happens to be the thing I do 99% of the time and it was the first thing I did in GMod. Here are some examples: [img_thumb]http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9841/gmatomic0000f.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4631/rflounge010015.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4476/ep2outland10a0011.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1698/ep2outland10a0002.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Yeah, it takes a little time and dedication. I'm going to edit in in Photoshop (That's why shadows are absent). Not to brag: [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10208060/ScreenShots/ep1_c17_020001.png[/IMG]

Posing section is for pompous asses who don't realize that new people can learn, It's like Taco N' Banana roleplaying, Make one fucking mistake as you enter and you're perma'd. They also get insanely hyped up about any sort of weency error, i play WH40k and if you make one mistake in painting or knock something of someone's over they flip a shit because they take way too much pride in their little dollies(referring to Posing again) fucking eachother in the asshole or gunning each other down like fucking museum centerpeices. And it's repetitive. OH HEY HERE'S A GUY GUNNING ANOTHER DOWN, HERE's A NUDE WOMAN ARTISTICALLY COVERING HERSELF HERES A GUY GUNNING ANOTHER DOWN. Their heads are firmly up their own arses to the point they can massage their prostate with their tongue because they are so concerned about the positions of a wrist or an ankle or someone looking goofy because of a overdone faceposing slider. I swear to Slaanesh the only reasons trolls enter that place is because they're so goddamn easy to piss off, Just say that grain is overdone and they'll launch a tirade about how you not posing makes you not allowed to speak, I'm fucking sick of it, Since when can we not use Construct? Since when was flatgrass bad? Enough is enough, By khorne's thunder, Those who don't agree with me are likely the people i am talking about. I swear to all four gods of Chaos, If anyone agrees with me. Please let me know as i hope i'm not the only one who noticed this, If you read this all, Thanks.

[QUOTE=Test Card F;26703229]:words:[/QUOTE] I read it all. :f5h: Thats the agree button.

[QUOTE=Test Card F;26703229]:words:[/QUOTE] I do like to pose, but yeah, people just take it too seriously.

[QUOTE=The Vman;26600149] It's extra work for the person who made the ragdoll. @ But the same guy doesn't HAVE to make the playermodel does he? Playermodels are worthless. @ No again. Playermodels are a important aspect of the game especially in multiplayergames because it adds to the feeling. Not only for yourself but for everyone around you. Not to mention that you can always just use Ragmod if it's that huge of a deal to you. **Blarg** [/QUOTE] Lolol Av3nger seriously that screenshot was fucking dry like a shit on a hot summer day. No Overwatch soldier would have posed in such a retarded position. It looked like a friggin combine gangbang on the ground. PS: Send angering messages at me for saying that ain't gonna work. I wonder if these kids ever heard of proper roleplay? And I'm not talking about freaking darkRP bullshit. Im saying that there ARE gamemodes that you can actually /charfallover in. There are seriously too many kids in gmod who has these dumb attitudes towards shit they cant figure out. I mean seriously now. Just beacause you cant see yourself 24/7 It doesnt stop you from being that "Model" you are wish. What matters is what the people on the server think is nice. Go play with dolls instead, faggot.

[QUOTE=av3nger3;26684495]Yeah, it takes a little time and dedication. I'm going to edit in in Photoshop (That's why shadows are absent). Not to brag: [img_thumb]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10208060/ScreenShots/ep1_c17_020001.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] lol

The perfect example of a broken base, looking at the above posts. [I]"Garry's Mod is about Building!" "No, it's about posing!" "No, machinima!" "Roleplay!" "Gamemodes!"[/I] In the end, there's no way to stop these kind of arguments about what everything is about. Every side will have it's pompous, god-complex idiots and people with genuinely good reasons, but it's likely such arguments will never come to an end.