Not that I'm siding with Killslick or anything but just because it has been leaked and widespread does not make it public domain. Afterall, having a lot of leaks of Photoshop or something doesn't make it free for everyone to use. Also, the things you create can be copyrighted.
True, But Garrys Mod was created to be for fun, not to be a legal battle.
[QUOTE=Chessnut;44323049]Not that I'm siding with Killslick or anything but just because it has been leaked and widespread does not make it public domain. Afterall, having a lot of leaks of Photoshop or something doesn't make it free for everyone to use. Also, the things you create can be copyrighted.[/QUOTE]
He didn't create it
[QUOTE=PvM_marcus;44323163]He didn't create it[/QUOTE]
Huntskiksbut created it, Hunts obviously stated that he sold the IP to killslick.
The solution is simple, stop using PERP. It's a terrible gamemode.
That too.
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I am not going to lie I thought Hellzone was cool. Most of the players were pretty chill but as soon as you hear Killslick everything goes down hill. And I have to agree at first I thought Perp was an awesome gamemode but now its just crap.
A PERP history lesson
First of all, PERP2 was started in 2008-09 something by huntskikbut. A lot of time was spent into the making of PERP2 & PERP1. Pulsar-Effect was ddosed a ton back in the day, and a lot more probably contributed to hunts shutting down of Pulsar-Effect.
Meanwhile, he went off to make Phoenix-Dawn with Venom. They did pretty well of course, but then again, the copyright for the gamemode modified/edited in Phoenix-Dawn still belonged to Pulsar-Effect.
Then Phoenix-Dawn fell off, and Voltage-Gaming was created with Venom as the owner, and hunts in the background creating PERP3. While PERP3 was created in Voltage-Gaming, the copyright was still Pulsar-Effect because hunts created it and it was still PERP. [I]Now, keep in mind, PulsarEffect.com never went down. It always appeared to have been down, but it actually never expired and so the copyright was still active. [/I]
Venom went off after Voltage-Gaming to make (probably more but maybe not) Prey-Tech. PreyTech then ran perp and whatnot illegally after that because hunts was not working with PreyTech. PreyTech then contacted hunts and bought PulsarEffect and all its rights.
Venom then ran Pulsar-Effect for about 3-4 months and decided he needed to take a break and go back to college (and possibly do some other things?), therefore, he decided to sell it to someone who was likely to do the same thing as he was in the day (Yes; Venom was DMCA'ing too.).
Killslick then bought Pulsar-Effect and has recently received all rights to it. He has also bought Voltage-Gaming recently.
Keep in mind, even Garry told us all gamemodes [B]can[/B] be copyrighted.
Proof: [URL]https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/346905015253889024[/URL]
That's all of my history lesson for now.
EDIT:
And Also, to answer Marcus's reply: He didn't create it, but he become the sole authorship when he bought the rights. Even hunts acknowledged this: [URL]http://steamcommunity.com/id/huntskikbut/[/URL] [QUOTE]Please don't message me about PE or PERP - I no longer own the rights to either, as I sold the intellectual property and brand names to Venom who then, AFAIK, sold to Killsick. Because the gamemodes hosted by PE were never released to the public, the current owner of the IP holds sole rights to host and redistribute the gamemodes.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, he also posted this here: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/members/46850[/url]
Before you go around pointing fingers at people why not check hunts steam profile page located here:
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/huntskikbut[/url]
"Please don't message me about PE or PERP - I no longer own the rights to either, as I sold the intellectual property and brand names to Venom who then, AFAIK, sold to Killsick. Because the gamemodes hosted by PE were never released to the public, the current owner of the IP holds sole rights to host and redistribute the gamemodes."
In other words you wrong. He does indeed own this gamemode. Check this one out too buddy, "garry himself" posted this:
[url]https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/346905015253889024[/url]
"Mark Clark goes by the name of Killslick and is a 40 - 50 year old disabled man who loves to spend his days playing video games with little boys and girls preferably under the age of 15. Killslick is happy to discuss sexual topics with the children in his Teamspeak lobby. My main problems with HZ arises with their obsessive DDOSing of servers who have more players then them. Ask any of the former administrators and they will tell you that HZ has DDOSed many a community. The other problem is that they claim to own a GMOD gamemode. "
Im on HZ teamspeak every day for 8 hours and ive never heard any of that shit. Dont go around making rumors up to make a community that kicked you out look bad. Your making a fool out of yourself. Then you say we DDOS other communities, meanwhile your sending links to all of us in the clan to try to get out IP's and DDOS us. You sir are a dumbass.
[QUOTE=Jeremey Kingrey;44323633]A PERP history lesson
First of all, PERP2 was started in 2008-09 something by huntskikbut. A lot of time was spent into the making of PERP2 & PERP1. Pulsar-Effect was ddosed a ton back in the day, and a lot more probably contributed to hunts shutting down of Pulsar-Effect.
Meanwhile, he went off to make Phoenix-Dawn with Venom. They did pretty well of course, but then again, the copyright for the gamemode modified/edited in Phoenix-Dawn still belonged to Pulsar-Effect.
Then Phoenix-Dawn fell off, and Voltage-Gaming was created with Venom as the owner, and hunts in the background creating PERP3. While PERP3 was created in Voltage-Gaming, the copyright was still Pulsar-Effect because hunts created it and it was still PERP. [I]Now, keep in mind, PulsarEffect.com never went down. It always appeared to have been down, but it actually never expired and so the copyright was still active. [/I]
Venom went off after Voltage-Gaming to make (probably more but maybe not) Prey-Tech. PreyTech then ran perp and whatnot illegally after that because hunts was not working with PreyTech. PreyTech then contacted hunts and bought PulsarEffect and all its rights.
Venom then ran Pulsar-Effect for about 3-4 months and decided he needed to take a break and go back to college (and possibly do some other things?), therefore, he decided to sell it to someone who was likely to do the same thing as he was in the day (Yes; Venom was DMCA'ing too.).
Killslick then bought Pulsar-Effect and has recently received all rights to it. He has also bought Voltage-Gaming recently.
Keep in mind, even Garry told us all gamemodes [b]can[/b] be copyrighted.
Proof: [url]https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/346905015253889024[/url]
That's all of my history lesson for now.[/QUOTE]
Garry merely said they don't own what you make, he never said you can copyright it and make it exclusive to your server only, I think Garry would be ashamed if he saw these legal battles over a simple gamemode, also, in the copyright there is no reasonable contact information to the author of PERP, thus we can not consult him with the problems we have. I'm pretty sure your required to have a way of contact on a copyright. And the address in IL is invalid. another thing is I have only seen a preregister I have not seen the actual copyright catalog number itself.
[editline]22nd March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThaT_;44323703]Before you go around pointing fingers at people why not check hunts steam profile page located here:
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/huntskikbut[/url]
[/quote]
Has anyone ever noticed that might have been made by killslick , maybe hunt is killslick?.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323736]Garry merely said they don't own what you make, [U]he never said you can copyright it and make it exclusive to your server only[/U], I think Garry would be ashamed if he saw these legal battles over a simple gamemode, also, in the copyright there is no reasonable contact information to the author of PERP, thus we can not consult him with the problems we have. I'm pretty sure your required to have a way of contact on a copyright. And the address in IL is invalid. another thing is I have only seen a preregister I have not seen the actual copyright catalog number itself.[/QUOTE]
Let me rephrase this for your 16 year old brain:
"We don't own anything you make, it's all yours"
In the United States Of America anything you create you can copyright. Think before you speak...\
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323736]Has anyone ever noticed that might have been made by killslick , maybe hunt is killslick?.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me, this would mean that hes doing nothing wrong. I have personally talked to Hunts when PERP2 came out and believe me hes a real person haha.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323736]Garry merely said they don't own what you make, he never said you can copyright it and make it exclusive to your server only, I think Garry would be ashamed if he saw these legal battles over a simple gamemode, also, in the copyright there is no reasonable contact information to the author of PERP, thus we can not consult him with the problems we have. I'm pretty sure your required to have a way of contact on a copyright. And the address in IL is invalid. another thing is I have only seen a preregister I have not seen the actual copyright catalog number itself.
[editline]22nd March 2014[/editline]
Has anyone ever noticed that is killslicks steam page. check the names that person has gone under.[/QUOTE]
You're practically pulling every card you can to try and prove your point. I understand what you're saying however you are at a disadvantage due to your lack of information. There is actually servers out there that are licensed to be up. (e.g: HZ, PE, PERPHeads, and a couple others in the workings). Therefore not everything is "exclusive", in fact there is a reason for it being so "exclusive" at this time. ALSO: Last I checked, it doesn't matter if its exclusive or not, if you copyright something, you copyright it and it doesn't matter if you think you can host it.
Just ask CloudSixteen.
Ok, where is the actual copyright, the number of the copyright that I can look up in the GOV database, because I'm pretty sure a preregister is just a preregister, its not a accepted copy right. Ask killslick for the number of the actual copyright.
"[b]When is my work protected?[/b]
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device."
[url]http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork[/url]
You don't need to register something for copyright to make it copyrighted.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323828]Ok, where is the actual copyright, the number of the copyright that I can look up in the GOV database, because I'm pretty sure a preregister is just a preregister, its not a accepted copy right. Ask killslick for the number of the actual copyright.[/QUOTE]
It doesnt have to be registered by law, the register can be used in court however. The actual register has Hunts name on it and does not have to be provided.
Once again, your making a fool out of yourself. Do some research and you should probably also research how to get this thread deleted.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323828]Ok, where is the actual copyright, the number of the copyright that I can look up in the GOV database, because I'm pretty sure a preregister is just a preregister, its not a accepted copy right. Ask killslick for the number of the actual copyright.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to register a copyright for it to be a copyright. The copyright office is the only one who the registration currently is revealed to. The copyright was transferred to killslick by hunts, and he doesn't have to show it for it to be legal.
Ok, but if there is a copyright shouldn't there be a catalog number. I want to know if the US government ok'd this copyright. When I see the copyright catalog number and I can look that number up in the catalog I will know.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323881]Ok, but if there is a copyright shouldn't there be a catalog number. I want to know if the US government ok'd this copyright. When I see the copyright catalog number and I can look that number up in the catalog I will know.[/QUOTE]
You will never have to know unless you go to court. Have fun with that.
So killslick is not going to man up and say if he actually has registered his copyright with the US Government? and have you HZ members at all noticed your leaders grammar problems?
I don't think insulting Killslick pertains to the copyright issue.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323881]Ok, but if there is a copyright shouldn't there be a catalog number. I want to know if the US government ok'd this copyright. When I see the copyright catalog number and I can look that number up in the catalog I will know.[/QUOTE]
Why do you care soo much, holy shit just drop it already, your wrong and your a troll. You come into our community, get banned in a day, then DDOS people. No one will ever accept your bullshit.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323915]So killslick is not going to man up and say if he actually has registered his copyright with the US Government? and have you HZ members at all noticed your leaders grammar problems?[/QUOTE]
I'm not a HZ member, and also he has actually registered. He doesn't have to put it on the web for all to see, and second, a pre-registration can still be used as valid copyright.
However: he still registered it legally
I just think the whole thing is fucked up, garrys mod was made for fun, not lawyers.
[QUOTE=tswg86;44323915]So killslick is not going to man up and say if he actually has registered his copyright with the US Government? and have you HZ members at all noticed your leaders grammar problems?[/QUOTE]
What does grammar problems have to do with anything? Everyone has problems dude. How would you feel if I went around making fun of your Autism for the whole website to read about? You wouldnt like it much especially since im not making any of that up.
Grammar Nazis never win
What autism? You don't know me.
As much as I hate killslick, you are making a fool out of yourself
Shits going to go down soon. HZ will never be the same.
Stop listening to lies and rumors, and two, I don't know why you would threaten them. You made this thread stating stuff about PERP, and in the end you end it with HZ? Just sayin' it makes no sense. Stick with one topic.
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The Fuck Hellzone Manifesto.
