I think scriptfodder is ruining gmod as a whole. Addons that take 10 minutes to code are like $7 on there...
Like seriously, a DICE is $3, A DICE!
Overpricing mixed with under-worked addons in my opinion are very bad.
Post what you think.
Tell me, how are 5 or 10 minute addons ruining GMod for you? Most people are clever enough not to buy those, provide already existing free alternative or clone them and post them in the "Coderhire addon cloning thread".
Stupid makes what stupid does. Servers that buy those addons you speak of don't last long either
I've not heard of that site until now
Jeasus Christ every stupid thing on there is overpriced
I mean you can read Lua's manual and go onto garrysmod.org to learn about hooks for NOTHING.
Just a bit of elbow grease and you got more than enough to do everything you needed/wanted to do
Why the fuck would you pay someone else $4 for a riot shield? Seems stupid to me.
Not everything is overpriced.
Well your not the only one
Well, you've gotta remember you aren't forced to buy anything and complaining doesn't really help the situation at all. Instead of making this sort of thread, head over to Developer Discussion as there is a thread for cloning paid addons and releasing them for free; it's been very popular and a lot of people have appreciated it. I know it's fun to be bitter and complain, but making a different helps so much more in the long run! If you think the addons are quick to make, surely you can crack a bunch out in the next hour, right?
Having an elitist or snobby attitude towards people who haven't or cannot learn lua isn't going to encourage anyone to get into the community, either, it's just going be make Facepunch feel more unwelcoming to people
What I am saying is that I shouldn't have to pay at all. Due to this I think that it is overall ruining the experience of the game. Sure I can leak the addons but it isn't right. And because of this Garry's Mod is less fun for not only me, but for the people who play on my server.
EDIT: Also there are far more complex/time consuming addons that are free on the workshop.
[QUOTE=logan2611;46838073]What I am saying is that I shouldn't have to pay at all. Due to this I think that it is overall ruining the experience of the game. Sure I can leak the addons but it isn't right. And because of this Garry's Mod is less fun for not only me, but for the people who play on my server.
EDIT: Also there are far more complex/time consuming addons that are free on the workshop.[/QUOTE]
There are some addons on SF that would never be released for free as well. But yes, some complex ones that are free on the workshop can be better than certain SF ones.
[QUOTE=Flamingsword;46838170]There are some addons on SF that would never be released for free as well.[/QUOTE]
Like?
!Cake's anti-cheat is really the only add-on that has a reason to be private, however I have no problems with people selling things. If they put effort in to their code they deserve to be allowed to profit from it.
If you can't or don't want to do something you're likely going to pay someone else to. That's how the world works.
[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;46838254]If you can't or don't want to do something you're likely going to pay someone else to. That's how the world works.[/QUOTE]
If you want an addon coded to your standards, I am ok with that. But my opinion is that if it is a random addon I shouldn't be dishing $20 just to have an addon. The nicer way to ask money is to ask for donations, therefor they can give as much as they want, and if the user doesn't have money, they don't have to pay.
There is nothing in here that hasn't been said before, its just as bad as the "What is the worst Garry's Mod Gamemode and why is it DarkRP?" threads
[QUOTE=logan2611;46838466]If you want an addon coded to your standards, I am ok with that. But my opinion is that if it is a random addon I shouldn't be dishing $20 just to have an addon. The nicer way to ask money is to ask for donations, therefor they can give as much as they want, and if the user doesn't have money, they don't have to pay.[/QUOTE]
If you don't like the price of something then don't buy it.
[QUOTE=logan2611;46838073]What I am saying is that I shouldn't have to pay at all.[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one who thinks that is quite obnoxious? Do you code at all?
[QUOTE=logan2611;46838466]If you want an addon coded to your standards, I am ok with that. But my opinion is that if it is a random addon I shouldn't be dishing $20 just to have an addon. The nicer way to ask money is to ask for donations, therefor they can give as much as they want, and if the user doesn't have money, they don't have to pay.[/QUOTE]
1. Donations are an unreliable income, [B]*therefore*[/B], someone who has worked hard on a gamemode or addon for months may not even see a cent for it.
2. Every programming language has had some monetisation efforts, whether it be a website to a program. GLua is no exception to that. Garry has even said himself that he does not care if people monetise content in Garry's Mod, that's their right.
3.
[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;46838854]If you don't like the price of something then don't buy it.[/QUOTE]
That way, devs will know it's not worth money. Scriptfodder dev licenses cost money; if the developer doesn't make money, the product will go down. That's a market trend in the real world, too.
4. People choose to sell or release something: don't strip them of that right.
5. It's not all about you. Devs work very hard on a product for your enjoyment and use, whether it's monetised or not.
ScriptFodder needs to die
[QUOTE=zombiemaniac;46839828]ScriptFodder needs to die[/QUOTE]
Did you register just to bash on it?
ScriptFooder/Coderpunch did ruined the GarrysMod. In the past we had few servers with unique content, now we have hundreds of servers with same content. In addition the servers has so many content that the users are overflown with it.
Before coderhire, we had simple TTT servers where people focused on the main objectives. Now we have TTT servers with leveling system, custom skins, custom guns, custom user interface, custom hud, and even custom gameplay which distracts players from the objectives. The same situation is for other gamemodes such as darkrp. Every server I join, I see people fly around, thousands of weapons (forget the suspicions on T weapons), and new guns I have to learn specifically for the server...
[QUOTE=edgarasf123;46840005]ScriptFooder/Coderpunch did ruined the GarrysMod. In the past we had few servers with unique content, now we have hundreds of servers with same content. In addition the servers has so many content that the users are overflown with it.
Before coderhire, we had simple TTT servers where people focused on the main objectives. Now we have TTT servers with leveling system, custom skins, custom guns, custom user interface, custom hud, and even custom gameplay which distracts players from the objectives. The same situation is for other gamemodes such as darkrp. Every server I join, I see people fly around, thousands of weapons (forget the suspicions on T weapons), and new guns I have to learn specifically for the server...[/QUOTE]
And it was the same thing before Script[B]*Fodder*[/B]/Coder[B]*Hire*[/B], everyone had Pointshop, an equipment menu released on FP, Hitmarkers, and other stuff from garrysmod.org and the workshop.
[QUOTE=code_gs;46840173]And it was the same thing before Script[B]*Fodder*[/B]/Coder[B]*Hire*[/B], everyone had Pointshop, an equipment menu released on FP, Hitmarkers, and other stuff from garrysmod.org and the workshop.[/QUOTE]
But those addons were less popular so not everyone used them. Once commercial scripts came in, more quality addons started to appear. And now all server owners "Gotta Get 'Em All". I don't mind few servers with few addons, but not hundred servers with hundred addons, especially when they all use same addons.
[QUOTE=edgarasf123;46840227]But those addons were less popular so not everyone used them. Once commercial scripts came in, more quality addons started to appear. And now all server owners "Gotta Get 'Em All". I don't mind few servers with few addons, but not hundred servers with hundred addons, especially when they all use same addons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I've noticed this myself. I kind of tend to not go around joining many servers anymore just because there is just too much crap to download. I typically spend more time downloading then I do actually enjoying myself on the server.
Which is why when I myself host or have my own server I try to keep the downloads as minimal as possible so people join, and they are in the game as fast as possible.
[QUOTE=edgarasf123;46840227]But those addons were less popular so not everyone used them. Once commercial scripts came in, more quality addons started to appear. And now all server owners "Gotta Get 'Em All". I don't mind few servers with few addons, but not hundred servers with hundred addons, especially when they all use same addons.[/QUOTE]
That's highly contestable. You can still go to any server and find Pointshop, M9K, occasionally Mad Cow's, and a multitude of playermodels from the Workshop. Also, Murder, Prop Hunt, Deathrun, and DarkRP are all free gamemodes that are highly popular. I couldn't name one Coderhire/Scriptfodder gamemode that has taken off to be as popular as the gamemodes I previously listed: all the Bunny Hop servers use private gamemodes; Heavy Balls is dead; and the only paid gamemodes I have seen with mild to moderate popularity are Jailbreak - my_hat_stinks' version, don't see a lot of Chessnut's - Prop Hunt V2, and GMod DayZ. Lastly, almost every server in all of GMod uses ULX, Evolve, Exsto, or moderator. I could count on one hand how many servers use ServerGuard, the only paid admin mod.
The only thing there isn't a "free" replacement for is a good anti-cheat, but even then, privately-owned ones are the best when anyone can go and find a ScriptFodder leak and get the anti-cheat there to bypass it on servers.
The problem with ScriptFodder is that most of the people releasing scripts there are either not sure how to keep their net messages from sending insecurely (trusting the client with too much information) or are just too lazy to do so, sure you could install CAC to fix this, but unoptimized and insecure scripts can literally kill a community...and make for the same repetitive servers over and over again, and that's sort of ironic coming from me, seeing as I'm rewriting F2S for my friends :v:
Also, as a note to code_gs, the reason no one uses ServerGuard is because it's trash (and last I remember there was lots of ways to exploit it through net.)
[QUOTE=code_gs;46840401]That's highly contestable. You can still go to any server and find Pointshop, M9K, occasionally Mad Cow's, and a multitude of playermodels from the Workshop. Also, Murder, Prop Hunt, Deathrun, and DarkRP are all free gamemodes that are highly popular. I couldn't name one Coderhire/Scriptfodder gamemode that has taken off to be as popular as the gamemodes I previously listed: all the Bunny Hop servers use private gamemodes; Heavy Balls is dead; and the only paid gamemodes I have seen with mild to moderate popularity are Jailbreak - my_hat_stinks' version, don't see a lot of Chessnut's - Prop Hunt V2, and GMod DayZ. Lastly, almost every server in all of GMod uses ULX, Evolve, Exsto, or moderator. I could count on one hand how many servers use ServerGuard, the only paid admin mod.
The only thing there isn't a "free" replacement for is a good anti-cheat, but even then, privately-owned ones are the best when anyone can go and find a ScriptFodder leak and get the anti-cheat there to bypass it on servers.[/QUOTE]
As I said few servers with few addons is ok. I have nothing against commercial addons when they are used sparingly.
My point is that the massive amount of addons are ruining classic gamemodes like TTT, DarkRP, Murder and etc. to the point where the gameplay itself is changed.
Honestly, I think the gmod community itself (selfish, entitled players/jealous admins who ddos competition/people on FP who act like assholes) does way WAYYYY more damage than a website like ScriptFodder ever did
[QUOTE=edgarasf123;46840511]As I said few servers with few addons is ok. I have nothing against commercial addons when they are used sparingly.
My point is that the massive amount of addons are ruining classic gamemodes like TTT, DarkRP, Murder and etc. to the point where the gameplay itself is changed.[/QUOTE]
And ScriptFodder/Coderhire are not to blame for that in my opinion; they were just a single example as catalyst for what happens to a game: heavy modification and commercialisation.
Think of it this way; At least Garry's Mod allows heavy modification. Whether or not you want to modify it is your own choice, if you want change then be the change so to speak. Though, I fully agree with Niandra. ScriptFodder/CF/CH/etc should be the least of our worries
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;46840576]Honestly, I think the gmod community itself (selfish, entitled players/jealous admins who ddos competition/people on FP who act like assholes) does way WAYYYY more damage than a website like ScriptFodder ever did[/QUOTE]
You have a good point
-snip-
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
