need some info on nitrous networks. - Garry's Mod

1.will i be able to put previous server stuff onto the nitrous server. 2.are they good/reliable servers? 3. will map stay the same (perma prop items) 4.is it good value for money

1. yes 2. They seem to drop every now and then but they have pretty good DDOS protection if you host in Bristol. 3. This is up to you to setup 4. average price for a host.

Wonder if this is a paid advertisement...

[QUOTE=jack ralph;52020989]1. yes 2. They seem to drop every now and then but they have pretty good DDOS protection if you host in Bristol. 3. This is up to you to setup 4. average price for a host.[/QUOTE] Nitrous Networks are moving away from their Bristol location more and more it seems - though I'm not 100% sure. It could totally be a capacity reason, however I've noticed they seem to be deploying more hardware in their London location (W/ Linode iirc) over their Bristol location. Their DDoS protection in my opinion is a clusterfuck - they personally don't seem to know much about DDoS mitigation themselves, so they get third party applications/services in for that. They used to use Voxility which I called and knew was a uphill battle. It's actually one of the core reasons I stopped using their sister-companies services. Now they use the Corero SmartwallTM which is much better - but still flawed if you want to get technical. I'm pretty sure I heard NetBIOS attacks are effective against the Smartwall if not (and they rarely are) configured perfectly. Then you have the whole realm of Layer 7 which they're not equipt for, and I'm not even going to get into. OP's questions: 1) Sure 2) This is a very mixed bag. I'd say Nitrous have got a big name for a reason; they can provide a good reliable service. When I last spoke to Jordan they were running about 20 source servers per node, which is in my opinion pushing it a bit. Just depends if you're lucky and land an under-loaded node without any other large servers, and that no other large/heavy servers move into your node. 3) If you move the sv.db file in your servers root directory. 4) I'd call it budget hosting - you pay for what you get. They have no higher tier packages etc.

[QUOTE=Slowboi;52027765]Nitrous Networks are moving away from their Bristol location more and more it seems - though I'm not 100% sure. It could totally be a capacity reason, however I've noticed they seem to be deploying more hardware in their London location (W/ Linode iirc) over their Bristol location. Their DDoS protection in my opinion is a clusterfuck - they personally don't seem to know much about DDoS mitigation themselves, so they get third party applications/services in for that. They used to use Voxility which I called and knew was a uphill battle. It's actually one of the core reasons I stopped using their sister-companies services. Now they use the Corero SmartwallTM which is much better - but still flawed if you want to get technical. I'm pretty sure I heard NetBIOS attacks are effective against the Smartwall if not (and they rarely are) configured perfectly. Then you have the whole realm of Layer 7 which they're not equipt for, and I'm not even going to get into. OP's questions: 1) Sure 2) This is a very mixed bag. I'd say Nitrous have got a big name for a reason; they can provide a good reliable service. When I last spoke to Jordan they were running about 20 source servers per node, which is in my opinion pushing it a bit. Just depends if you're lucky and land an under-loaded node without any other large servers, and that no other large/heavy servers move into your node. 3) If you move the sv.db file in your servers root directory. 4) I'd call it budget hosting - you pay for what you get. They have no higher tier packages etc.[/QUOTE] For your average host they are not bad and if ddos protection worries you, you are always better of hosting yourself. You will find that issue with every GSP. But there is nothing stopping you paying 4x the price for a rack from rackspace.

[QUOTE=sirawesomewiz;52020639]1.will i be able to put previous server stuff onto the nitrous server. 2.are they good/reliable servers? 3. will map stay the same (perma prop items) 4.is it good value for money[/QUOTE] 1. Yes you can put previous files and folders on the server. 2. All of the servers have a high uptime and are extremely stable. 3. As long as you set this up correctly, then yes it will. 4. The 32 slot offer for £10 is very good offer, I would definitely suggest this. If you put in a ticket, the staff will probably be able to give you a trial if you ask nicely. :)

[QUOTE=jack ralph;52027804] But there is nothing stopping you paying 4x the price for a rack from rackspace.[/QUOTE] Yeah because rackspace is [I]totally[/I] the only other alternative than whatever this host is. Ok.

LOL nitrous networks? what a joke of a server host, they charge you £10 for a 32 slot server and you think are they having a laugh? Daylight robbery. To be honest, almost all game server providers are like this, they charge you for slots and then limit your tickrate. If you want a qualty server host for cheap prices, go with a vps, I run a 128 slot gmod server of a OVH VPS with no performance issues, I also run a teamspeak and web server on it, and it runs smoothly. [url]https://www.ovh.co.uk/vps/vps-ssd.xml[/url] Get the vps 2. For 5.99 you can't go wrong. With this, You choose your slots/tickrate, you get root access. With the advent of things like linux game server manager [url]https://gameservermanagers.com/[/url] there is absolutely no EXCUSE not to get a linux box, it's so simple to set up. Also drizzy dont act like crident is any better, your hosting is a scam, you resell OVH servers don't deny it, for proof look up a crident networks IP into any ip addressing tool + you charge a fortune when people can buy directly from OVH and get a much cheaper price. People act like you need a huge server with tons of ram for srcds, but this isn't the case, srcds only uses two cores, one for main one for networking, you are going to want to look for good single core performance CPU's. They are charging you EXTRA for the "convience", and access to the gamepanel. NEVER go with game server providers unless you want: - Limited slots - No root access - Not being able to put binary files on the server. - You can only use it as a gmod server, nothing else can be put on. - limited tickrates - access only through gamepanel and FTP So concluded. NO nitrous networks is not a good host, neither is any other GSP, Look into VPS hosting.

I have used Nitrous Networks before but they weren't that good. The connection was mediocre and performance of the server was average. After that I went to a OVH dedicated server which I'm still using as off today, but this requires you to know what you are doing. In the meanwhile I tried out a Crident server hosting package that I won and this felt much better than Nitrous. Also from what I heard they are one of the best for hosting in EU. Hope this helps you making your decision.

[QUOTE=Moat;52032091]Sure, people can buy from OVH directly for a much cheaper price, but what if they run into an issue or can't solve a problem themselves? What if it's an attack? Who's going to help them then? (hint: Not OVH) That's why hosts such as Crident or Nitrous (although I have no experience with either) are good for; Getting your feet wet before you dive into the pool of server mayhem.[/QUOTE] [B]You're totally on the money[/B] - not only do hosts like Crident and Nitrous just run the server on the dedi - we run TCAdmin on it (which you don't need to buy) - keep the machines secure and updated, fix any issues the machines have, provide extensive support and application specific DDoS mitigation. While OVH claim they do - a simple 1mbps A2S getchallenge attack would throw OVH to the floor crying. Though Nitrous aren't great at the DDoS thing they really do try, and I at least respect that. [QUOTE=djrefor;52032113]In the meanwhile I tried out a Crident server hosting package that I won and this felt much better than Nitrous. Also from what I heard they are one of the best for hosting in EU. Hope this helps you making your decision.[/QUOTE] Good to hear you had a good experiance - thanks for sharing <3 [editline]30th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=seeker117;52031818]Look into VPS hosting.[/QUOTE] Good luck finding a VPS on a 4Ghz (i7) core and seriously extensive DDoS mitigation. VPS also have the hypervisor overhead, operating system overhead and then your management panel (if you have one) overhead. So by time you actually run the game server on top of it, you'll get pretty poor performance as compared to shared game hosting.

[QUOTE=Slowboi;52032729][B]You're totally on the money[/B] - not only do hosts like Crident and Nitrous just run the server on the dedi - we run TCAdmin on it (which you don't need to buy) - keep the machines secure and updated, fix any issues the machines have, provide extensive support and application specific DDoS mitigation. While OVH claim they do - a simple 1mbps A2S getchallenge attack would throw OVH to the floor crying. Though Nitrous aren't great at the DDoS thing they really do try, and I at least respect that. Good to hear you had a good experiance - thanks for sharing <3 [editline]30th March 2017[/editline] Good luck finding a VPS on a 4Ghz (i7) core and seriously extensive DDoS mitigation. VPS also have the hypervisor overhead, operating system overhead and then your management panel (if you have one) overhead. So by time you actually run the game server on top of it, you'll get pretty poor performance as compared to shared game hosting.[/QUOTE] Are you joking? You dont need TCadmin proprietary software to run a server, you can do it all from the terminal EASILY.Aalso if you really want a gamepanel that badly there's FREE and OPEN SOURCE/GNU alternatives such as bgpanel Plus OVH VPS comes with DDOS protection, read this: [url]https://www.ovh.co.uk/anti-ddos/[/url] UNLIMITED protection and mitigation. You'd have to be crazy to think that one of the biggest server hosts in europe doesn't have adequate ddos protection. Also you don't need a 4GHZ i7 processor for a source server, I run a 128 slot gmod server running on a processor clocked at 2.4 Ghz. I have NEVER run into issues with DDOS or performance. What you are doing sir is misleading the public, stop trying to sell your snake oil. GSP'S - you pay for convenience.

[QUOTE=seeker117;52033093]Plus OVH VPS comes with DDOS protection, read this: [url]https://www.ovh.co.uk/anti-ddos/[/url] UNLIMITED protection and mitigation. You'd have to be crazy to think that one of the biggest server hosts in europe doesn't have adequate ddos protection. [/QUOTE] yes OVH develops un-breakable protection for every application possible :goodjob: U N L I M I T E D as well, wewwwww :O

[QUOTE=seeker117;52033093]Are you joking? You dont need TCadmin proprietary software to run a server, you can do it all from the terminal EASILY.Aalso if you really want a gamepanel that badly there's FREE and OPEN SOURCE/GNU alternatives such as bgpanel Plus OVH VPS comes with DDOS protection, read this: [url]https://www.ovh.co.uk/anti-ddos/[/url] UNLIMITED protection and mitigation. You'd have to be crazy to think that one of the biggest server hosts in europe doesn't have adequate ddos protection. Also you don't need a 4GHZ i7 processor for a source server, I run a 128 slot gmod server running on a processor clocked at 2.4 Ghz. I have NEVER run into issues with DDOS or performance. What you are doing sir is misleading the public, stop trying to sell your snake oil. GSP'S - you pay for convenience.[/QUOTE] But most people that are starting with hosting don't know that much about setting up a server or linux. So a control panel would be a lot easier which you wouldn't have to set up. Basically a rented server is a couple of minutes setup time and a VPS or dedi takes a couple of hours to properly setup. Also the DDoS they offer on the VPS is not the Game DDoS protection which you will need. I don't understand how you can run a 128 slot server (unless completely stripped down) on a 2,4 GHz processor core while all the big servers use CPU's with a clock speed of at least 4 GHz to get to 128 slots. Remember that if you set your player slots to 128 it will not mean that your server will actually be able to handle it.

[QUOTE=djrefor;52033849]But most people that are starting with hosting don't know that much about setting up a server or linux. So a control panel would be a lot easier which you wouldn't have to set up. Basically a rented server is a couple of minutes setup time and a VPS or dedi takes a couple of hours to properly setup. Also the DDoS they offer on the VPS is not the Game DDoS protection which you will need. I don't understand how you can run a 128 slot server (unless completely stripped down) on a 2,4 GHz processor core while all the big servers use CPU's with a clock speed of at least 4 GHz to get to 128 slots. Remember that if you set your player slots to 128 it will not mean that your server will actually be able to handle it.[/QUOTE] To set up a garry's mod server with linux GSM it takes 6 commands, to do it manually probably 15, that isn't going to take "hours to properly set up". Plus I get around 60-70 players at average and have NEVER had any trouble with DDOS attacks, companies like crident and nitrous try to sell you protection you Don't need as a server and act like they are better than companies that have been doing it for years. [editline]31st March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=wamo;52033775]yes OVH develops un-breakable protection for every application possible :goodjob: U N L I M I T E D as well, wewwwww :O[/QUOTE] There's no need to be rude, I'm simply stating you don't need huge protection if you are hosting a Game server, this isn't a company network.

[QUOTE=seeker117;52036272]To set up a garry's mod server with linux GSM it takes 6 commands, to do it manually probably 15, that isn't going to take "hours to properly set up". Plus I get around 60-70 players at average and have NEVER had any trouble with DDOS attacks, companies like crident and nitrous try to sell you protection you Don't need as a server and act like they are better than companies that have been doing it for years. [/QUOTE] You forget to count the time where you need to search what you exactly need to install and do since the OP is most likely new to this. That is a miracle that you are able to get 60-70 players on a single core of 2,4 GHz. You probably never needed your DDoS attack because you didn't get any attacks, just wait until someone decides to be funny and attack you. They actually have special hardware to stop DDoS attacks explicitly on the Source engine (like VSE and A2S). Companies like Crident and GMC focus specifically on hosting Source based games, which requires a lot of knowledge and special hardware. I think they exactly know what they are doing, else the highest ranked servers wouldn't rely so much on them. EDIT: And also that you don't need a DDoS protection doesn't mean a highly populated server will need one.

[QUOTE=seeker117;52033093]Are you joking? You dont need TCadmin proprietary software to run a server, you can do it all from the terminal EASILY.Aalso if you really want a gamepanel that badly there's FREE and OPEN SOURCE/GNU alternatives such as bgpanel Plus OVH VPS comes with DDOS protection, read this: [url]https://www.ovh.co.uk/anti-ddos/[/url] UNLIMITED protection and mitigation. You'd have to be crazy to think that one of the biggest server hosts in europe doesn't have adequate ddos protection.[/QUOTE] You don't need a proprietary software - no. Technically speaking you don't need to use Chrome, and you could use Internet Explorer. People use nice software and services because it makes their lives easier. Terminal won't automatically restart your server if the thing hard-crashes. If you have a watchdog, great; that still won't catch the server if it entirely locks up but doesn't crash. TCAdmin, for example, will continue to A2S query your service and if it stops responding it can auto-restart the service. [QUOTE=seeker117;52036272]To set up a garry's mod server with linux GSM it takes 6 commands, to do it manually probably 15, that isn't going to take "hours to properly set up". Plus I get around 60-70 players at average and have NEVER had any trouble with DDOS attacks, companies like crident and nitrous try to sell you protection you Don't need as a server and act like they are better than companies that have been doing it for years. I'm simply stating you don't need huge protection if you are hosting a Game server, this isn't a company network.[/QUOTE] Launch a HQ clean ~3Gbps raw UDP attack (No reflection/amp) with packets smaller than 0.7kbps, or any more advanced A2S based Layer 7 (getchal) attacks and it'll slip straight through OVH's "unlimited" protection. Try that on the Crident pro location and shit isn't skipping a heart beat. The reason you've not had issues is that because clearly no-one cares about you. You're not big enough. Obviously though, not everyone needs this kind of hosting. It does make sense for some people to take a more [I]DIY[/I] approach and save a bit of cash. This thread isn't entirely about what [I]you need, though.[/I] Different people have different requirements and skills. You may be able to manage a small to medium sized server on a VPS - but the OP was clearly wanting a managed host as he use(d) Nitrous Networks. [I]Talking from experiance @ Crident[/I] We have customers who have services purely because it gives them peace of mind to know when everything else hits the fan, we're a last resort here to provide support and guidence when they need it. You'll be shocked how many large communities take advantage of this kind of support :P [editline]2nd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=seeker117;52036272]There's no need to be rude, I'm simply stating you don't need huge protection if you are hosting a Game server, this isn't a company network.[/QUOTE] Funny you say that; Crident has never had an attack come close to the attacks Hyplex gets. Ever. Hyplex's peak attack was a VSE attack @ around 1.4 million packets per second, and whoever was launching it didn't give up for about 5-6 days. Compared to Cridents peak attack which is a few hundred reqests per second for less than 2 hours :P

[QUOTE=seeker117;52031818]LOL nitrous networks? what a joke of a server host, they charge you £10 for a 32 slot server and you think are they having a laugh? Daylight robbery. To be honest, almost all game server providers are like this, they charge you for slots and then limit your tickrate. If you want a qualty server host for cheap prices, go with a vps, I run a 128 slot gmod server of a OVH VPS with no performance issues, I also run a teamspeak and web server on it, and it runs smoothly. [url]https://www.ovh.co.uk/vps/vps-ssd.xml[/url] Get the vps 2. For 5.99 you can't go wrong. With this, You choose your slots/tickrate, you get root access. With the advent of things like linux game server manager [url]https://gameservermanagers.com/[/url] there is absolutely no EXCUSE not to get a linux box, it's so simple to set up. Also drizzy dont act like crident is any better, your hosting is a scam, you resell OVH servers don't deny it, for proof look up a crident networks IP into any ip addressing tool + you charge a fortune when people can buy directly from OVH and get a much cheaper price. People act like you need a huge server with tons of ram for srcds, but this isn't the case, srcds only uses two cores, one for main one for networking, you are going to want to look for good single core performance CPU's. They are charging you EXTRA for the "convience", and access to the gamepanel. NEVER go with game server providers unless you want: - Limited slots - No root access - Not being able to put binary files on the server. - You can only use it as a gmod server, nothing else can be put on. - limited tickrates - access only through gamepanel and FTP So concluded. NO nitrous networks is not a good host, neither is any other GSP, Look into VPS hosting.[/QUOTE] I agree with you but also disagree. While it does suck to be locked away from having root access etc from what I've found it's hard to find a variety of hosts who are using i7 4790k's and the like which are good for source games unless they are specifically marketing it to be used for game servers. Feel free to direct me though if I'm wrong, I'd rather that was the case :)

[QUOTE=John Reese;52048556]I agree with you but also disagree. While it does suck to be locked away from having root access etc from what I've found it's hard to find a variety of hosts who are using i7 4790k's and the like which are good for source games unless they are specifically marketing it to be used for game servers. Feel free to direct me though if I'm wrong, I'd rather that was the case :)[/QUOTE] Sorry I might have misunderstood your question - but I think you asked which hosts actually use these processors. While I can't speak implicitly for Nitrous, I think they use E3's mainly on their non-minecraft nodes. Crident exclusively uses at least the i7-4790k, and maybe the i7-6700k if you're on a newer node. It'll never be anything other than those two cores for our source servers.

IMO I have had like 5 servers with them and I found no slowdown, lag or ping issues but maybe because I rent servers close to where I actually live. Other than that I think nitrous is ok with their pricing but as stated above you should rent your own VPS and host your servers from there as you get 100% control and don't go into a shared pool of customers. [b]TL;DR[/b] Nitrous Networks are ok but if you want more control and speed get a VPS.

[QUOTE=Slowboi;52058377]Sorry I might have misunderstood your question - but I think you asked which hosts actually use these processors. While I can't speak implicitly for Nitrous, I think they use E3's mainly on their non-minecraft nodes. Crident exclusively uses at least the i7-4790k, and maybe the i7-6700k if you're on a newer node. It'll never be anything other than those two cores for our source servers.[/QUOTE] Perhaps my previous post was poorly worded. What I was trying to say is that the best CPU's for a source server like the 4790k and the 6700k aren't widely used by hosts (from my experience). You do find hosts that are using the aforementioned CPU's for game servers however but they are generally focused on game servers and make use of things like TCAdmin so it's either that or you fork out for a dedicated server. So linking this back to my old post while it does suck to not have root access sometimes you need to make this sacrifice to avoid buying a dedicated server from a game host which you may not be able to afford. On the flip side you could argue that only bigger servers that need these better CPU's and these bigger servers should be able to afford a dedicated "game" server. [QUOTE=BeZerk;52058601]IMO I have had like 5 servers with them and I found no slowdown, lag or ping issues but maybe because I rent servers close to where I actually live. Other than that I think nitrous is ok with their pricing but as stated above you should rent your own VPS and host your servers from there as you get 100% control and don't go into a shared pool of customers. [b]TL;DR[/b] Nitrous Networks are ok but if you want more control and speed get a VPS.[/QUOTE] I do somewhat disagree with your speed claim because you don't find many i7 VPS's from what I've seen and I'm sure you can guess many reasons why. Also with a VPS you are still in a shared pool of customers generally, not sure what you meant with that?

[QUOTE=John Reese;52059158]Perhaps my previous post was poorly worded. What I was trying to say is that the best CPU's for a source server like the 4790k and the 6700k aren't widely used by hosts (from my experience). You do find hosts that are using the aforementioned CPU's for game servers however but they are generally focused on game servers and make use of things like TCAdmin so it's either that or you fork out for a dedicated server. So linking this back to my old post while it does suck to not have root access sometimes you need to make this sacrifice to avoid buying a dedicated server from a game host which you may not be able to afford. On the flip side you could argue that only bigger servers that need these better CPU's and these bigger servers should be able to afford a dedicated "game" server. I do somewhat disagree with your speed claim because you don't find many i7 VPS's from what I've seen and I'm sure you can guess many reasons why. Also with a VPS you are still in a shared pool of customers generally, not sure what you meant with that?[/QUOTE] If you rent a dedicated KVM vps depending on the host it's only usable by you, you must be thinking of providers like Digital Ocean who put customers on a shared pool...and they should based on what they charge. As for the speed of Nitrous Networks...I hosted a heavy duty custom gamemode with about 32 players most of the time spawning props a lot and found 0 slowdown. Everyone has their own experiences though.

[QUOTE=BeZerk;52059257]If you rent a dedicated KVM vps.[/QUOTE] KVM has higher OS overhead and no resource "burst capacity" as opposed to OpenVZ and the likes. So I'd lean towards OpenVZ/shared for game servers personally anyway.

Don't mean to hijack the thread here but how are Xenon servers nowadays? I remember them being a pretty reliable host back in the day when Exiled PERP was still a thing.

[QUOTE=toastvendor;52063207]Don't mean to hijack the thread here but how are Xenon servers nowadays? I remember them being a pretty reliable host back in the day when Exiled PERP was still a thing.[/QUOTE] I think they still have quite a large userbase from what I know. Don't think they really provide much in terms of protection of the user anymore though. Heard their support was still quite slow which probably isn't much of a change. Got the agree with Slowboi though, we use 6700k's for all our servers as well. Seems pretty standard for all GSPs at the moment including mine. 10000 cpuscore cpus with 3.6-4ghz is the way forward for hosting it seems for pretty much all games.