rp_downtown_v4c_v2a - Garry's Mod

[B]I don't have the vmf anymore, please stop adding me to ask for it[/B] [B]I don't have the vmf anymore, please stop adding me to ask for it[/B] [B]I don't have the vmf anymore, please stop adding me to ask for it[/B] [B]I don't have the vmf anymore, please stop adding me to ask for it[/B] [B]I don't have the vmf anymore, please stop adding me to ask for it[/B] [B]I don't have the vmf anymore, please stop adding me to ask for it[/B] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fkqluco.png[/IMG] [b]This is the wrong section! Maps shouldn't go here, dumbass![/b] Maybe, but I'm posting this here for two reasons; Firstly, I saw [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1399589]this[/url] posted in this section, and it was left alone and not rated Dumb, and secondly, lots of DarkRP server owners go to this section for addons... Not so much the mapping section. It's important for DarkRP server owners to see this map. [B]What is rp_downtown_v4c_v2a?[/B] rp_downtown_v4c_v2a (known as v2a from this point on) was originally a job that a server owner came to me with. After putting the first alpha build of the map on the server, the player count declined severely for the time that it was on because everybody wants to play on rp_downtown_v4c_v2, not some server-specific map edit. That being said, you can probably figure that this is an edit of rp_downtown_v4c_v2. The creator of v2 was a horrible optimizer, as shown by the fact that lower end computers struggle in more crowded sections like in front of the police department... And, you know, the entire map in general. I've taken it upon myself to optimize the map and fix multiple errors in it, and, even though I've only gotten to a2 so far, the FPS gain has been gigantic; FPS is at least doubled in front of the police department, even when it's populated. [B]Why are you doing this?[/B] I'm doing this because of the fact that the original map was horribly done in terms of optimization... and the map itself is horrible according to other people, but I'm not concerned about whether it is or not with this project; it's currently the most popular RP map, so people like it. Long story short, I'm doing this to make it so that if people want to play on a map like that, they should at least play on the version of it that doesn't choke-hold their FPS. I've repurposed this map to be a project that benefits everyone, in every community. I don't want this map to be considered another shitty downtown edit, and I show this by putting hours of work into making the map run more smoothly, and optimizing previously laggy sections. [B]Okay, so what are some changes in this map?[/B] I'll be getting to that below, don't worry. [B]I looked down below and you don't provide a version of the map with the .bsp/.bsp.bz2, only the Workshop download. Am I supposed to extract it?[/B] No, you aren't. I want people to add this map to their workshop collection, and [B]NOT[/B] extract it, because of the fact that I'll be updating this map via the workshop instead of changing the filename. If you extract it and put it on your server, the map won't stay up to date, and you'll cause a ton of issues with people not having the correct map to connect to the server. It's not worth it. [B]But I want to make a modification to this map![/B] I'm providing a link the vmf below if you want to make a modification to the map. If you do so, I'd appreciate if you'd shoot me a message if you release your project, since I'm interested to see where it goes. However, please don't release your map under the same name as this one or with the suffix v2a; all that'll do is cause confusion. ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Now for the changes I made... [+] = Addition [-] = Removal [*] = Fix [C] = Current bug [F] = Fixed in next version [B]6/23/14 & prior[/B] [*] Converted a large amount of brushes to func_detail, where it wouldn't cause a leak. [*] Changed the sides of some brushes to nodraw. I didn't even get them all yet, I think, but it helped with FPS anyhow. [*] Fixed the stairs at the basement of the mansion not being able to be walked up without jumping. [*] Fixed being able to look directly at a nodraw brush in the apartment building to the left of the police department. [*] Increased the thickness of the black wall separating the admin flat room and the tunnel, so that people can't prop push through it anymore. [*] Fixed some other obvious stuff I can't bother to remember since I started working on this quite a while ago. [-] Removed the theater. You'll see why in the Additions section. [-] Removed the wall separating the rooms in the room behind spawn, making it a slightly more viable area to base in. I plan to add to it later. [-] Removed a pointless wall separating a room in the apartment near the mansion. [-] Removed the singular spawnpoint on top of the roof of the tunnel leading to the industrial area. [-] Removed... some lag. :D [+] Added a new hint brush near the police department. Hopefully it'll increase FPS. [+] Added a small tunnel that's a work-in-progress where the theater used to be. This will, over time, bloom into an underground/sewer area as I update the map. [+] Added lights to the one tunnel that didn't have them. [b]6/25/14[/b] [*] Converted a lot more brushes to func_detail that I missed initially. [*] Changed the sides of more brushes to nodraw. [*] Fixed the black wall in the admin area Z-fighting with the wall. [*] Fixed HDR being too bright by limiting HDR's max brightness to 1/4 of what it was before. Be aware that, due to how HDR works, some alleys will be darker than on LDR until you step inside of them. [*] Fixed a wall sticking out of one of the tunnels... Whoops. [*] Fixed the door frame of one of the doors in the police department. [*] Fixed a nodrawn wall in the industrial area. [b]12/23/15[/b] (next release, WIP) [-] Removed the WIP sewer area, scrapped entirely. Added back the original theater. [-] Removed the room in the shop next to the theater. I know this was in the original map, but I removed it since I had to literally cut the theater from the old map and paste it back into this one to re-add it. It was clipping. I'll re-add it eventually, but it won't be the exact same. [+] More general optimizations for nodraws I missed. [*] Fixed the nodrawn ceiling in one of the buildings to the right of the gunshop. [*] WIP: Started working on fixing the roads in the living area that were a bit off. It should hopefully be easier than I thought to fix. [b]Current Bugs[/b] [C] Road is misaligned by the blue building in the living area. Currently working on it. [C] With the nature of this modification, there's bound to be some areas where you can see through the map. I'd appreciate if you'd report those areas, and I'll fix them as soon as I can. If you notice anything wrong with the map, notify me by posting in this thread, and I'll fix it and push out an update once I fix a few issues, unless it's a major issue. Workshop Download: [url=http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=275200575]Here![/url] [b]Credits[/b] (other than myself) [URL="http://facepunch.com/member.php?u=641408"]Chibby[/URL] - for that awesome logo up there, and being a major bug reporter

The first thing I want to say is we need to let rp_downtown die. I am sorry but I am sick of seeing players ignore good large maps to play on rp_autistictown. If it was up to me I would personally remove all rp_downtown maps for a week until players actually gave other maps a try.

[QUOTE=bran92don;45197818]The first thing I want to say is we need to let rp_downtown die. I am sorry but I am sick of seeing players ignore good large maps to play on rp_autistictown. If it was up to me I would personally remove all rp_downtown maps for a week until players actually gave other maps a try.[/QUOTE] Maybe, but judging by the amount of servers with it and how filled all those servers are, rp_downtown doesn't look like it's going to die any time soon. If it's not, I at least want people playing on an optimized version of the map instead of a laggy one.

The problem is, people aren't willing to try. They want things to be the same. For example, if they saw a map with rp_littletown, they wouldn't even go near it. They've never heard of it. Most maps use rp_downtown_v4c_v2, that means that map must be good and every other map is automatically bad. That's the logic of most DarkRP players.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;45198708]The problem is, people aren't willing to try. They want things to be the same. For example, if they saw a map with rp_littletown, they wouldn't even go near it. They've never heard of it. Most maps use rp_downtown_v4c_v2, that means that map must be good and every other map is automatically bad. That's the logic of most DarkRP players.[/QUOTE] Same applies for maps such as headattackcity (or whatever it's called.) - It's a very nice map, but underrated.

I fear DarkRP Community has Stockholm Syndrome they all know the map is bad. We were actually working on the same thing for our roleplay server, A optimized version of the map because people are too scared to try something new. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1392458[/url] We started getting it worked on after we found out what kind of person raqj was, Also that he was known for stealing from people. I've added you on steam maybe we can discuss the map more sometime.

Speaking of that you never really did answer my question. [quote] [QUOTE=Harbu;44798438]They honestly don't this map to me feels like it was originally just copy and paste shit in, But here's an update he will be adding in the area portals today etc to reduce the rendering of like the entire map See all the areas being rendered, We hopefully can get that done so this isn't happening. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6Ox2vFE.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Was that your screenshot or his?[/quote]

After playing on v4c_v2 for a year straight and considering that many servers run the map, I just don't touch the map at all. In my case, I'm not sure if optimization will help.

[QUOTE=Sally;45200847]Speaking of that you never really did answer my question.[/QUOTE] Curious to why you ask, Also fresh it should help.

[QUOTE=Harbu;45200940]Curious to why you ask, Also fresh it should help.[/QUOTE] If he sent you as a way to tell you how un optimized the map is then he's trying to scam you or really dumb. [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/486698653709243566/375163E71C25E6A24F5DBFE2C0906636C6B8A3A0/[/t] An actual screenshot of rp_downtown_v4c_v2

[QUOTE=Sally;45201049]If he sent you as a way to tell you how un optimized the map is then he's trying to scam you or really dumb. [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/486698653709243566/375163E71C25E6A24F5DBFE2C0906636C6B8A3A0/[/t] An actual screenshot of rp_downtown_v4c_v2[/QUOTE] That was a before screenshot, You should see it now. Unfortunately we're currently at a disagreement progress is staled. Hopefully we can settle it.

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[t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/486701738812825679/38E01E8582E23F93E82D952C26AB27E6D01F4382/[/t] Why dont you clear out this deadspace on the map

Just wondering, why do you use the old, laggy version of downtown for your personal community ( [url]http://smashinglim.es/index.php[/url] ) instead of your new and updated non-laggy version? I think what you're doing is good, I'm just curious.

Rp_downtown_v6r2_beta_prerelease7_a2j6s8_final

[QUOTE=Sally;45204990][t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/486701738812825679/38E01E8582E23F93E82D952C26AB27E6D01F4382/[/t] Why dont you clear out this deadspace on the map[/QUOTE] Good for an admin room.

Admin room can be a actual admin room insted of unused space.

[QUOTE=Sally;45204990][t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/486701738812825679/38E01E8582E23F93E82D952C26AB27E6D01F4382/[/t] Why dont you clear out this deadspace on the map[/QUOTE] I totally would if it weren't for the fact that I'm focusing on the sewer area and optimizing the map in general for now. That'll be in due time. Besides, a lot of servers do use that for an efficient admin room. [QUOTE=PeterEdwards;45205025]Just wondering, why do you use the old, laggy version of downtown for your personal community ( [url]http://smashinglim.es/index.php[/url] ) instead of your new and updated non-laggy version? I think what you're doing is good, I'm just curious.[/QUOTE] My players wants a complete sewer first. I probably shouldn't start them off with in incomplete map since the theater is removed. As for other servers, though, especially new ones? The experience is kind of interesting. Whenever you jump on, you never know when the sewer will be deeper, because I'll be pushing out updates every few days, I hope. [QUOTE=Exho;45206002]Rp_downtown_v6r2_beta_prerelease7_a2j6s8_final[/QUOTE] There's a reason I didn't add another tag. :P

All I'm saying is that there are uses for the empty space.

I agree. The admin area is pointless. I much rather have a fancy room somewhere totally not connected to the map, that can only be accessed via noclip. Considering people can get into that "admin" area.

I'll get to that, then. Not for the next update, though. That one is almost ready minus some HDR issues.

[QUOTE=code_gs;45207039]All I'm saying is that there are uses for the empty space.[/QUOTE] Not really you're better off cutting that area off creating area portals and adding another room to avoid the broken visleafs.

The 6/25/14 update is out, and the changelog is in the main post. Restart your servers to get the latest version, and if you're subscribed to the addon and didn't deploy it on a server yet, restart your client.

Suggestions for the admin area: Get rid of this [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OPu6KrS.png[/IMG] All of this [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5amxECE.png[/IMG] Fix the left side to be like the right side, since people can prop push them selves thru the left side [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/BaSOWSZ.png[/IMG] More suggestions. Add a few nice park lights here, to give it that nice feel. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GltPbtk.png[/IMG] Fix this lighting issue, the blackline. Looks horrible, and should not be to hard to fix (: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FbAjFpL.png[/IMG] Add a small wall light above this door, or somewhere in the isle too light it up. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zGDjEya.png[/IMG] Completely get rid of this, like wtf is this suppose to be anyways? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7X3tLi2.png[/IMG] BIG PROJECT FOR YOU RIGHT HERE. But many can agree, it would be very nice for darkrp. Apartments in this "building" *cough* It's just a picture of a building *cough* lol [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lqVG1EF.png[/IMG] Fix this building from being able to see through it, that small line that's annoying. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xxt9li4.png[/IMG] Maybe change this up a bit? Not important though, just small changes that will give the "new" rp_downtown feel. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CoUUpCy.png[/IMG] Get rid of this closet thing, it takes up a big part of the room, and is useless. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ir927QK.png[/IMG] (Located in this building) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PgF9fJd.png[/IMG]

That closet part serves somewhat of a purpose as a last line of defense for printers in shit. But really it could be pushed out of the room

[QUOTE=Sally;45214720]That closet part serves somewhat of a purpose as a last line of defense for printers in shit. But really it could be pushed out of the room[/QUOTE] I agree with you about being good for printers, but honestly it's an eye sore, and really quite pointless.

Not gonna lie. It's another crappy downtown edit with crappy skybox and a light not matching it.

[QUOTE=Netheous;45214763]Not gonna lie. It's another crappy downtown edit with crappy skybox and a light not matching it.[/QUOTE] I disagree with you.

Made a logo for the thread, nothing special. but better then nothing! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fkqluco.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=mib999;45200479]Same applies for maps such as headattackcity (or whatever it's called.) - It's a very nice map, but underrated.[/QUOTE] the reason servers don't use maps like headattack city is they are huge as fuck and result in very extended download times which in turn makes players angry that they have to sit there waiting for everything to dl.