Who here like me has learned PHP before HTML?
I remember going "I know how to make stuff, I just don't have the design aspect".
So I learned everything i could with HTML, then XHTML, then HTML5 when that came out.
And what have I learned from it? Im not creative at all. I have the skills to build, but I do not have the creativity to come up with these builds. I have to rely on other peoples ideas or suggestions most of the time.
hah, the very first thing I learned (at university from a teacher) was <frame> and how to make "advanced" layouts with it. We basically had to make like 10 separate .html files and then make a webpage out of that using something like:
[code]<frameset cols="25%,50%,25%">
<frame src="menu.htm" />
<frame src="content.htm" />
<frame src="ad.htm" />
</frameset>[/code]
Then I learned basic php by myself while still using this frame bullshit. Then I got interested in web development and started learning html from online tutorials.
in my High School the Web Design teacher was so clueless he made me his assistant, and sometimes even called me out of my other electives to help lecture. Id finish my work in about 5 minutes top when it was an hour long class.
[QUOTE=Uglehs;34928994]in my High School the Web Design teacher was so clueless he made me his assistant, and sometimes even called me out of my other electives to help lecture. Id finish my work in about 5 minutes top when it was an hour long class.[/QUOTE]
I'm the same in my current web dev course, although I usually have a complete brainfart and I take far longer than I should to do something.
Have you ever looked at something and said "I know how I could improve this!". That might be a glimpse of your creativity trying to break through.
[QUOTE=Miljaker;34928455]hah, the very first thing I learned (at university from a teacher) was <frame> and how to make "advanced" layouts with it. We basically had to make like 10 separate .html files and then make a webpage out of that using something like:
[code]<frameset cols="25%,50%,25%">
<frame src="menu.htm" />
<frame src="content.htm" />
<frame src="ad.htm" />
</frameset>[/code]
Then I learned basic php by myself while still using this frame bullshit. Then I got interested in web development and started learning html from online tutorials.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to believe such elements even existed with what we've got now, although back then iframes made sense because we didn't have advanced ways of getting partial page content back and bandwidth was so little that just reloading the entire page every time wasn't quite efficient.
pffft if php is a car, I learnt on a horse drawn cart
[QUOTE=JWJ;34932216]It's hard to believe such elements even existed with what we've got now, although back then iframes made sense because we didn't have advanced ways of getting partial page content back and bandwidth was so little that just reloading the entire page every time wasn't quite efficient.[/QUOTE]
Iframes still have their uses in places. For example, embedding YouTube videos.
Feel too good for online tutorials, study other projects' source code.
There are plenty of people who know PHP and don't do any front end stuff, regardless, HTML shouldn't be hard to learn.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;34997098]There are plenty of people who know PHP and don't do any front end stuff, regardless, HTML shouldn't be hard to learn.[/QUOTE]
It isnt hard to learn, but the fact remains employers are looking for people who know both most of the time.
I know HTML, i still cant make a nice design without google as my friend.
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