Well I've always took an interest in web development and have toyed but how important is knowing advanced html anymore? Like, it seems most things you can do manually with html can be done automatically with editors like dreamweaver. Then for everything else it seems like you would use php. I'm sure this is a wrong assumption so could someone enlighten me?
Ugggh.
NEVER.
USE.
DREAMWEAVER DESIGN MODE.
Short answer: yes, absolutely.
People who are serious about web design/web development learn it properly. There's nothing particularly wrong with using Dreamweaver (as long as you're using the code view; design view is often woefully inaccurate), but actually understanding html and css comes in handy if you run into problems; much easier to fix something if you understand it, rather than using a program as a crutch.
And html itself isn't difficult whatsoever, there's probably two dozen tags you really need to remember. Semantic html just assigns structure to a page; designating logical divisions on a page (divs), headings (h1, h2, etc.), paragraphs (p), lists (ul, ol, dl, li), images (img), etc. For anything else, there's other languages you should be using; like css for aesthetics, javascript for interactivity, and of course, PHP and similar languages for the back-end.
The new "live view" in dreamweaver CS5 is actually pretty useful, as it properly interprets the way the site should look live as compared to design view. I don't use it to design at all ever but I have used it to instantly run a script as a edit it.
[QUOTE=nivek;28467990]The new "live view" in dreamweaver CS5 is actually pretty useful, as it properly interprets the way the site should look live as compared to design view. I don't use it to design at all ever but I have used it to instantly run a script as a edit it.[/QUOTE]
BrettJay, where's your comparison of garrysmod.com in and out of dreamweaver?
That was using the design view, not the live view, but here it is regardless:
[img_thumb]http://intrepidesign.com/misc/garrysmod-dreamweaver.png[/img_thumb]
and the [url="http://www.garrysmod.com"]live site[/url].
I did try live view, and like nivek said, it's definitely an improvement. However, I still prefer to use a text-editor to write out code.
Thankfully more kids are using facebook to get web presence instead of battling with Geocities/ Freewebs, and Xbox instead of PC, so no, not many people are learning about web development because websites are just 'there' and most people go ignorant to the design and inner workings of them, and couldn't care less about it.
This means us, armed with our web development knowledge will be the pioneers of an industry worth tens of billions of dollars, in much need of heavy development, as a select few able to design and develop, whilst the consumers continue consuming and kids are too busy playing xbox to take an interest in modding games, learning photoshop or making sites.
AKA, it's pretty win-win.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;28468217]BrettJay, where's your comparison of garrysmod.com in and out of dreamweaver?[/QUOTE]
He said just as I said, liveview is different and improved, Which makes instant testing easier. I don't rely on it, and I still pretty much just code. Liveview isn't meant for moving shit around either while designing like the design view is, which is just stupid, it's for testing.
Dreamweaver is like cheating on a test, all of the answers are already there for you and you'll never actually learn anything.
[QUOTE=omfgnex;28474749]Dreamweaver is like cheating on a test, all of the answers are already there for you and you'll never actually learn anything.[/QUOTE]
More like cheating on a test writing with vomit using your toes.
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HTML is so easy you don't even need to learn it properly, you only need to know a couple of tags and how styles work.
[QUOTE=kukiric;28474829]HTML is so easy you don't even need to learn it properly, you only need to know a couple of tags and how styles work.[/QUOTE]
I think it's more accurate to say that [i]basic[/i] HTML is easy. HTML isn't exactly the hardest markup language to learn, but its difficulty lies within its complexities. Oh and HTML5.
[QUOTE=omfgnex;28474749]Dreamweaver is like cheating on a test, all of the answers are already there for you and you'll never actually learn anything.[/QUOTE]
The code view is amazing, especially when used with the FTP site manager.
FTP is pretty much useless when you work in groups.. SVN or GIT is where its at!
Actually i use SVN for solo projects too, its pretty practical to be able to revert changes, diff files etc even if you are on your own..
[QUOTE=reeferdk;28481402]FTP is pretty much useless when you work in groups.. SVN or GIT is where its at!
Actually i use SVN for solo projects too, its pretty practical to be able to revert changes, diff files etc even if you are on your own..[/QUOTE]
Um, since when is SVN or GIT used for websites?
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git is better.
[QUOTE=reeferdk;28481402]FTP is pretty much useless when you work in groups.. SVN or GIT is where its at!
Actually i use SVN for solo projects too, its pretty practical to be able to revert changes, diff files etc even if you are on your own..[/QUOTE]
Yup, Dreamweaver can use SVN too.
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[QUOTE=supersnail11;28481593]Um, since when is SVN or GIT used for websites?
[/QUOTE]
When you're coding with other people.
SVN is pretty common when you are working in groups, no matter what coding project it is (Can you imagine a group of developers, lets say 10 using FTP?)
Of course version control is used in webdevelopment, anything else would be retarded..
[editline]8th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=nivek;28481681]Yup, Dreamweaver can use SVN too.
[/QUOTE]
Did not know that... Since when ?
[QUOTE=supersnail11;28481593]Um, since when is SVN or GIT used for websites?
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git is better.[/QUOTE]
If you set up a postcommit hook to copy the repository contents to some /var/www folder etc then SVN works really well for websites, even when you're the only person working on it.
[QUOTE=Dotmister;28481916]If you set up a postcommit hook to copy the repository contents to some /var/www folder etc then SVN works really well for websites, even when you're the only person working on it.[/QUOTE]
Oh.
Ok then.
[QUOTE=kukiric;28474829]More like cheating on a test writing with vomit using your toes.
[editline]7th March 2011[/editline]
HTML is so easy you don't even need to learn it properly, you only need to know a couple of tags and how styles work.[/QUOTE]
I'm finding myself using divs way too much when there are entirely proper elements for what I'm doing, even though it all will of course fall back on style sheets for most people viewing the page.
Yes, basic HTML is pretty easy. I suggest, as I did, going to school for server side scripting languages such as php or asp, aspx, whatever. After learning the basics of PHP, .net platform and coldfusion, php is my favorite language (combined with mySQL of course).
Generally I do solo projects, so I use dreamweaver for the coding, ftp for the uploading... After you learn all this, and understand CMS software, I only use the coding for modifying scripts or properties of files. To save time, most things that my clients wants has been written. I try to be the most efficient as it keeps the overhead hourly cost down which drives up referrals.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;28481593]Um, since when is SVN or GIT used for websites?
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git is better.[/QUOTE]
I use Git, actually.
Of course one who develops on the web learns HTML. If your idea is implying that with a program like dreamweaver you won't need to learn it, then shame on you.
yes i learned HTML coding its a good skill to have
Yes, it's useful. Don't use Dreamweaver, use Notepad++ or Sublime Text!
[QUOTE=HeraldedAssasin;28496614]Yes, it's useful. Don't use Dreamweaver, use Notepad++ or Sublime Text![/QUOTE]
Dreamweaver is awesome, people who say "don't use dreamweaver" are generally ignorant to the fact that dreamweaver is like 20% WYSIWYG editor and 80% awesome code developing tool.
Dreamweaver is actually a pretty good program if used correctly, although it isn't great for quick edits
[QUOTE=nivek;28503186]Dreamweaver is awesome, people who say "don't use dreamweaver" are generally ignorant to the fact that dreamweaver is like 20% WYSIWYG editor and 80% awesome code developing tool.[/QUOTE]
It's too heavy for me, honestly. I still stick with gedit.
I can't afford Dreamweaver, so I learn HTML and CSS by developing sites in notepad++
HTML is the first thing I learned. Its essencial you know it before you move onto anything else web dev related.
HTML -> CSS -> Javascript -> PHP
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