The 10th Mountain Division [AA3 Hacks] - Developers

[release] [tab]Version:[/tab] 3.0 [tab]Download:[/tab] [url]http://www.filefront.com/17234475/10th[/url] Mountain Division.zip [tab]Fix:[/tab][url]http://www.filefront.com/17237787/10th[/url] Mountain Division fix.zip [tab]Credits:[/tab] Srgt. Shotup: Model Hacking Zupadupazupadude: Skin Some game corporation: Original models Valve: L4D1 National Guard arms chl0304[?]: Porting [/release] [IMG]http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6672/gmconstruct0009r.jpg[/IMG]

What's up with the hands? Nice models though.

Ill fix it later :P

Man, those hands look like crap. Did you skin it in Paint or something? The hacks look decent, but we already have 4.76x10^12 (plus or minus a few) modern-setting soldier models, so why do we need another?

Because this is a good US Army model or anything like that.

Zpudaupzupadude, did i not tell you about in the Models/Skins pimpage/[b]WIP[/b] thread?

I said ill fix that later >:P

Well that's a major problem there, so until "you fix that later" I'm not using them. [editline]08:07PM[/editline] Plus yeah, I'd rather see some more casual stuff than militaries again, we got waaaaaaaaay too much of those.

[QUOTE=bubbagamer;24344838]Well that's a major problem there, so until "you fix that later" I'm not using them. [editline]08:07PM[/editline] Plus yeah, I'd rather see some more casual stuff than militaries again, we got waaaaaaaaay too much of those.[/QUOTE] Agreed on both parts. This would be an acceptable WIP release, but with the quality shown, it's not release-worthy. And we have far, far too many military models. I actually think I've seen other 10th Division skins, so this is about as necessary as a PDP-11 port of GMod.

Do not release an unfinished model or one that has a bad or missing component. That is how you lose downloads. Until they are fixed they are not worth the download.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;24345644]Agreed on both parts. This would be an acceptable WIP release, but with the quality shown, it's not release-worthy. And we have far, far too many military models. I actually think I've seen other 10th Division skins, so this is about as necessary as a PDP-11 port of GMod.[/QUOTE] No you didn`t theres one on FPSBanana for CSS and this one, but maybe you say the earlyer versions of this model? And just because the gloves you immidiatly say the whole model sucks? Thats just.... stupid, but thats just my opinion. [editline]02:00PM[/editline] [IMG]http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5814/soldhandbaregenericjndi.jpg[/IMG] And this is how the texture of the gloves look by the way. Doesn`t look cartoonie to me. [editline]02:02PM[/editline] And also shotup and i released some previous versions and you guys were like: Wohooo!! And now i released the newest you sunddenly think it sucks as and you have to much military models. I dont get that either. [editline]02:24PM[/editline] And BTW this is how it looks in-game does this look better? [IMG]http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2557/gmconstruct0011r.jpg[/IMG]

That just looks terrible. I can tell you just painted some flat colors and ran it through a texture filter. I could do the same in about two minutes. Also, gloves shouldn't be flesh-toned. Ever. It just looks like bare skin that's somehow made of cotton, which is just disturbing. That isn't even a real-looking glove. A quick search found me [url=http://www.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/homepagephoto/2008-10/hires_081004-A-0000T-002a.jpg]this image[/url], which includes the gloves you seem to be going for. Which are non-regulation, by the way. So this isn't even accurate, which might have been somewhat redeeming. And, while I can't find any others of this specific division, I can easily find dozens, if not hundreds, of soldier models. I did a brief search of garrysmod.org, and found six [i]packs[/i] of modern soldiers within the first 100 results for "model". It's overdone.

no they arent these are the one [url]http://www.usaasc.info/alt_online/images/080908_photo2.jpg[/url] And i recoulered the original and this came out. [editline]04:42PM[/editline] and why would i make anything not excisting its supposed to look like the real thing [editline]05:27PM[/editline] And BTW its an update to a model that already has been released so it doesn`t also make sense you ekep saying we have enough of this but this is just an update didn`t you see what version it is?!

You know what, I'm going to ignore the voice in the back of my head saying that it's pointless arguing with you. If that image was what you were trying to recreate, you did a terrible job. First off, those gloves are clearly leather (or some synthetic replacement for such), not burlap as you seem to have thought. Second, you didn't even get the basic pattern done properly. You have a black stripe over the white, and four black splotches on the knuckles. As that picture clearly shows, the correct pattern would be a large black section extending from near the wrist to just past the knuckles, with a further white section inside. You also got the fingertips wrong; they were clearly a darker grey, not a lighter tan, than the rest of the glove. Add in the straps you forgot to do, and it might be acceptable. Third, you seem to have missed the fact that those gloves STILL are not the standard-issue gear. If you are trying to make a model of the 10th Mountain Division Light Infantry soldier, you should use the official equipment, not special gear purchased for personal use. Finally, my criticism seems to have flown over your head. The gloves you drew on this model DO NOT EXIST, by which I mean there are no gloves that look like that. At all. PS: I suggest you invest in a spellchecker.

You mean they do exist but i did it wrong.

From working with him on this project, I can explain why we've ended up releasing this now. The first couple of versions of the AA3 hacks (which have been released, like several months ago) could have been done a lot better. Going into this, I was still learning the basics of model-hacking, so the models just turned out "ok-ish". (the helmets were really ill-fitting.) Since I was just a beginner, I thought they were the greatest things since sliced bread. Over time, I've been improving (barring broken face-flexes and recompiled physics errors.) Now that we've gotten to the third version of the model, I finally figured out how to get most of the features that the original version was supposed to have into this version. As for the gloves: You're right on several points. The texturing could be different and the glove colors are off. However, I think the reason the gloves look so flat is because the normal map the model used is missing. Zupa lost the original models, so the original hand textures went with that. If the normal maps were there, then the gloves would have much more depth and might look better. Zupa's also from the Netherlands, so the English is a bit off.

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;24364292] and why would i make anything not excisting its supposed to look like the real thing [/QUOTE] Those gloves you show have plastic knuckles, your... plastic knuckles area isn't even connected to the knuckles nor is it a plastic material. On second though though, those gloves may not have the plastic knuckles. I honestly can't tell from that reference photo.

[QUOTE=Exon;24365842]Those gloves you show have plastic knuckles, your... plastic knuckles area isn't even connected to the knuckles nor is it a plastic material.[/QUOTE] I know right? We`re fixing that. [editline]06:32PM[/editline] These are the original AA3 gloves, is it fine now? Or would you download it now? [IMG]http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9316/gmconstruct0012t.jpg[/IMG] [editline]06:33PM[/editline] If so i will send a link with some better physics and the new gloves

That's better. I never said the model sucked, only the hands. I'll download it.

no wait its not fixed yet! [editline]08:09PM[/editline] If everybody likes it will put up a link [editline]08:31PM[/editline] So guys the link is up look above!

The new/ original glove texture is much much better, keep up the good work.

you should make them so they have a balaclava and a gas mask here's a pack of gear that has a balaclava and gas mask [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=953992[/url]

Oh, God no...Haven't we had enough of the Supercalifragilisticexpialidociously tactical stuff? Please.

With the AA3 gloves, these models are superb. I've been waiting for someone to release modern military models that aren't mw2 and all that stuff. But what I really would love are these as playermodels