[quote]So with all this hub-bub about the engineer not getting any new weaponry, I decided to e-mail the man himself. I know many people doubted Green Marines words for some apparent reason, so I just wanted to make sure. Here is my e-mail:[/quote]
[quote]Hey Robin,
I know I bug you way too much and you’re probably busy as hell. I know I will never get a response from this email (you do read them though), but I wanted to talk about the engineer. Awhile back ago we have heard rumors of either Bigger is Better or Electrifying packs were coming soon. However from the mann-conomy update till the uber update there has been nothing.
Of course the statement about the engineer being left out was obvious with the pyro detonator hidden link page. However everyone is up in arms that the soldier has been getting his share of updates way above any other class. Also something about the knowledge of the Dumpster Pack coming soon from the STS leak, and the Free to Play trailer does not help either (personally looking forward to the Heavy Medicine pack).
Green-marine stated this around the anger and frustration of the enginner lack of new weaponry:[/quote]
[quote]“The Engineer thing is much simpler: we haven't gotten any submissions that have passed our tech review and that have been at the bar we want to ship.
Engineer is the class with the least community submissions. We haven't had a chance to make original art for the Engy recently.
Encourage your friends to make high quality, good perf Engineer items and submit them. The lack of Engineer items isn't about game design. It's about resources.
The Demoknight's received a lot of attention because people keep making really good Demoknight items. We have our eyes on several quality Demo items that aren't melee oriented for future updates.” [/quote]
[quote]Finally my main question is: why there not another contest dealt exclusively to the engineer if what he stated is true? During the Polycount contest the engineer weaponry was still under construction. No one knew what direction the TF2 team was going with and people were just winging it. I know the polycount people would like another crack at it, or just make the whole contest universal. If you do let them know what building can be changed and what items can’t (cut the confusion out).
P.S. There is a rumor that the Soldier is your favorite class and for this biased reasons gets most of the weapons. Pure idiocy I say, since you have stated you play a wide verity of classes.
Thank you Robin and the TF2 team as a whole for the continued support of the community. [/quote]
[quote]And here is Robin's:[/quote]
[quote]Greenmarine’s post is a good summary of why we haven’t been shipping Engineer items. We’ve been talking internally about how to get some good Engineer items done, but it seems like we may not have to do anything – the community’s interest in Engineer items appears to encouraged several contributors to take a crack at making some items for him.
The idea that my favorite class, or any particular part of how I play TF2, is relevant to the design decisions we make is misguided. I’d be a bad designer if I let my personal desires override the desires /opinions/feedback of the entire TF2 community.
Robin. [/quote]
[quote]Now by all means this does not mean any of this is coming soon. It will take a good while before we will see any bulk of this new stuff; since it’s barley being made. Also encourage as many people as you can because the drought for engineer is bad (but slowly getting better). [/quote]
Source: [url]http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2018194[/url]
The thread is 2 days old but haven't seen any threads about it on here and I looked back as far enough as six days.
Found it on reddit.
I couldn't help but notice he said "it's barley being made" at the end.
What, like beer? :v:
show him the emporioum
No good packs? That's a load of lies.
[img]http://wizard.gamebanana.com/img/ss/srends/_2907-.jpg[/img]
[quote]We haven't gotten any submissions that have passed our tech review and that have been at the bar we want to ship.[/quote]
What the fuck.
And yet you accept the millions of Soldier items that are being made?
What about Bigger is Better? And The Electrifying Pack? And the others that I cant seem to remember?
[QUOTE=HyperTails;31365532]No good packs? That's a load of lies.
[img]http://wizard.gamebanana.com/img/ss/srends/_2907-.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yes but was it finished?
Besides, that looks kinda hard to implement. I think he's referring to actual weapons i.e. not new slots
[QUOTE=HyperTails;31365532]No good packs? That's a load of lies.
[img]http://wizard.gamebanana.com/img/ss/srends/_2907-.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Looks like ass, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=UberSandvich;31365536]What the fuck.
And yet you accept the millions of Soldier items that are being made?
What about Bigger is Better? And The Electrifying Pack? And the others that I cant seem to remember?[/QUOTE]
This was an opportunity to be glad he knows somethings up, not an opportunity to get negative and shit-talk the soldier [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Offkorn/th_emot-colbert.gif?t=1241838549[/img]
It's funny how he says that nobody is making good packs for the engineer, yet we get a pack for Soldier with overly-detailed laser guns and a generic pith helmet with shredded newspaper facial hair.
[QUOTE=Randdalf;31365541]Looks like ass, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
it did, didn't look all that good when it was ingame either, so i uninstalled it
[QUOTE=GastricTank;31365568]It's funny how he says that nobody is making good packs for the engineer, yet we get a pack for Soldier with overly-detailed laser guns and a generic pith helmet with shredded newspaper facial hair.[/QUOTE]
But those are promo items made by their new partner WETA, I don't think those necessarily count
[QUOTE=Samiam22;31365514]I couldn't help but notice he said "it's barley being made" at the end.
What, like beer? :v:[/QUOTE]
A typo.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yEXJo.jpg[/IMG]
[quote]I feared somebody would steal my idea, and therefore have kept this to myself for a while, but it has dawned on me that I am far too lazy to actually make it. And now I just want to see what people think of it.
The Oil Can:
Replaces the Pistol
Same physics as Jarate/Milk
If thrown at an enemy, next shot will ignite the enemy
If thrown on a friendly sentry, turning/tracking speed increased by 50% for 12 seconds
If thrown on a friendly dispenser, health/ammo dispersal rate increased by 50% for 12 seconds
So what do you guys think? And be gentle, it's me first time ;)[/quote]
Source: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/j0lek/an_idea_for_the_engineer_the_oil_can/[/url]
Also if anyone needs weird ideas for packs, it doesnt make much sense but I'd find a pack based around this interesting:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM[/media]
Edit:
Actually use this as a ref, dat gasmask
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t8xp3ojpdk[/media]
About time they implement a new type of gunslinger such that with it equipped, mini dispensers build at the same speed as the minisentry but uses less metal to deploy and heals half as much and has 1/3 the health of a level 3 dispenser. One of the probs with engie is that the dispensers and sentries take too long to fully build and takes some time to set up.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;31365629]Source: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/j0lek/an_idea_for_the_engineer_the_oil_can/[/url][/QUOTE]
pfft, reddit is a real circlejerk when it comes to tf2
I remember seeing everyone saying that this hat was the best and should get accepted
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PBnxo.png[/img]
[QUOTE=UberSandvich;31365536]What the fuck.
And yet you accept the millions of Soldier items that are being made?
What about Bigger is Better? And The Electrifying Pack? And the others that I cant seem to remember?[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, out of polycount entries, only those 2 (maybe one more) were worth putting in that didn't involve buildings.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;31365666]pfft, reddit is a real circlejerk when it comes to tf2
I remember seeing everyone saying that this hat was the best and should get accepted
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PBnxo.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Considering I got the thread off of reddit I doubt that.
Also "Hurr durr someone stupid said something so everyone there is stupid"
In that case facepunch would be a cess pool of retardation
How about a nice pistol? There's plenty of non-building related items for the engie.
[QUOTE=Reds;31365691]How about a nice pistol? There's plenty of non-building related items for the engie.[/QUOTE]
I always thought the reason we didn't have any new engineer items is that there's a possibility that there's nothing left to do stat-wise. Hopefully I'm wrong
Engineer should not get unlockable buildings. I think that is one of the few things that keep TF2 iconic and "sane". I'd like more inventive weapons like wrangler though.
[QUOTE=Ducksink;31365714]Engineer should not get unlockable buildings. I think that is one of the few things that keep TF2 iconic and "sane". I'd like more inventive weapons like wrangler though.[/QUOTE]
Buildings would be interesting, I'm unsure if VALVe has found that possible but it doesn't seem to be way too out of line
The problem with people submitting buildings is that they need to be submitted WITH the creation animation, I hear many don't do this.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;31365728]Buildings would be interesting, I'm unsure if VALVe has found that possible but it doesn't seem to be way too out of line[/QUOTE]
If Valve adds buildings TF2 can be officially called "An experiment" and not a complete game.
I think that the most iconic thing in TF2 is the engineer and his iconic buildings(the mini sentry isn't much of a change, its just a small version of the original), I bet that alot of people who don't play the game can recognize the engineer by just looking at a sentry or a dispenser picture.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;31365666]pfft, reddit is a real circlejerk when it comes to tf2
I remember seeing everyone saying that this hat was the best and should get accepted
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PBnxo.png[/img][/QUOTE]
This one's much better anyways.
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27653108/Hopper%27s_Cap_promo_low.jpg[/img]
Nah, I don't want to see that hat in the game. The MannCo cap is far away enough.
Hey, ooh, hey hey, hey, robin, valve, guys, hey hey, ooh, tf2 team, hey, i got a good idea.
No no great idea, ready?
Ready ready ready?
Well here it is:
Make your own fucking engineer items instead of waiting for the community to do it for you.
[QUOTE=Blu-Cherri;31365778]The problem with people submitting buildings is that they need to be submitted WITH the creation animation, I hear many don't do this.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;LWyx3FubNeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWyx3FubNeo[/video] Forget the crazy legs bug.
Kinda have to agree with that one. Also, Engie could definitely use some new building schematics, even if it means... making an adjustable PDA for the Engineer with multiple building slots! [B]*SHOCK!* *HORROR!*[/B]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;31366310]Hey, ooh, hey hey, hey, robin, valve, guys, hey hey, ooh, tf2 team, hey, i got a good idea.
No no great idea, ready?
Ready ready ready?
Well here it is:
Make your own fucking engineer items instead of waiting for the community to do it for you.[/QUOTE]
great idea, then you guys can all whine and cry because they take too long to update like you used to! aaah, the good ol' days.
[QUOTE=ironman17;31366434]Kinda have to agree with that one. Also, Engie could definitely use some new building schematics, even if it means... making an adjustable PDA for the Engineer with multiple building slots! [B]*SHOCK!* *HORROR!*[/B][/QUOTE]
Whats the problem?
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