Why didn't the engineer get some kind of buff against demos? - Games

I mean the update was fucking amazing, balanced and some brilliant new ideas (as well as no stupid counters for spy, who for the last time is not an anti-engineer class) But the engineer is still completely vulnerable to demomen, in fact moreso if he uses the new unlocks, since he can't shoot away stickies with the wrangler and the frontier justice has less ammo. I'm not saying there should be a sticky nullification barrier or anything, but it would have been nice if there had been something to prevent him getting completely raped by demos. Just my $0.02

Hard counters will always be hard counters. Remember when Valve tried to make a spy-deflectant for sniper? Oh yeha, the Razorback was REAL terrible.

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23226460]I mean the update was fucking amazing, [b]balanced[/b] and some brilliant new ideas (as well as no stupid counters for spy, who for the last time is not an anti-engineer class) But the engineer is still completely vulnerable to demomen, in fact moreso if he uses the new unlocks, since he can't shoot away stickies with the wrangler and the frontier justice has less ammo. I'm not saying there should be a sticky nullification barrier or anything, but it would have been nice if there had been something to prevent him getting completely raped by demos. Just my $0.02[/QUOTE] :raise: Not sure if it was our shitty team or the Wrangler was OP, but the Sentry shield is a fucker to destroy.

I find moveable buildings useful against sticky demos.

[QUOTE=ashxu;23226480]:raise: Not sure if it was our shitty team or the Wrangler was OP, but the Sentry shield is a fucker to destroy.[/QUOTE] Shoot the engineer, the turrets useless while he's hiding out of LoS and if he sticks around you can kill him. Basically the wrangler makes teh sentries hitpoints 125 and mobile. [editline]09:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Blackbird88;23226483]I find moveable buildings useful against sticky demos.[/QUOTE] Explain?

It seems the Frontier Justice was designed around combating him.

Wrangler. Ive been able to clear stickys away from level 3 sentry by blasting the floor around it with rockets. Also, the shield ups the abust it can take off a demoman

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23226497]Explain?[/QUOTE] Is this really hard to understand? Seriously. Okay. If a Demoman starts to put stickies near your sentry, mouse2 and move along. Sentry isn't destroyed.

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23226497]Explain?[/QUOTE] Let's just say you have sentry around the corner. You see how demoman is shooting stickies to your sentry and you don't have a time to kill him. Take the building and RUN! :ninja:

Generally when demomen are spamming stickies around my sentry if I get closer they detonate them and kill the sentry and me. Plus you walk as fast as a heavy with the sentry on your back, so unless your teammates are smart (good luck in a pub) you're dead anyway.

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23226497]Shoot the engineer, the turrets useless while he's hiding out of LoS and if he sticks around you can kill him.[/QUOTE] Have you played TF2 since the update? Sentry guns, Sentry guns everywhere. But seriously, usually an ubercharge can rip apart a sentry nest, now not so much.

AFAIK wrangler'd sentries have less knockback. [editline]09:21PM[/editline] Also snipers. Snipers are fucking annoying when you're wranglering.

Nah, just move around and spam rockets where he is.

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23226460]spy, who for the last time is not an anti-engineer class[/QUOTE] Which is why they have a weapon devoted entirely to sabotaging engineer buildings?

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23226564]AFAIK wrangler'd sentries have less knockback. [editline]09:21PM[/editline] Also snipers. Snipers are fucking annoying when you're wranglering.[/QUOTE] Ha, funny story. Today at 2fort me and a budding engie set up 1 level 3 sentry on the battlements (build in cover, replaced when upgraded). He repaired whilst I hid behind it and shot like 6 or 7 snipers :v:

Demomen will always destroy Engies, they do not need a buff.

If a demo shoots one sticky at your nest, grab your sentry and move. You'd get ample time before there's enough stickies to destroy your nest, and you can easily build another dispenser, but by moving the sentry you can defend from another locale with minimum effort.

Also, you can aim your sentry's rockets to shoot around corners where the Demomen are hiding behind, the splash damage will either kill them, or scare them off to give you enough time to escape with your sentry. Bonus points if you build it right behind him without him noticing.

[QUOTE=GastricTank;23228073]Bonus points if you build it right behind him without him noticing.[/QUOTE] how's that even possible?

He did, he got a mini sentry which builds faster, and his buildings are movable, so if a demo shoots stickies just move your buildings. I know this won't work every-time but It will work sometimes. He got a buff, against all players,

[QUOTE=Inacio;23228405]I was in a server last night 12x12 Only engineers I was sad. :sigh:[/QUOTE] Should've went demo and got an uber medic. You could have destroyed.

[QUOTE=KarmaPolice;23226637]Which is why they have a weapon devoted entirely to sabotaging engineer buildings?[/QUOTE] It's not a counter, it's just a weapon that allows them to fight sentries. They're not especially equipped to fight engineers and in fact engineers kill spies a lot mor ethan the other way around.

[QUOTE=lolracoon;23228684]Should've went demo and got an uber medic. You could have destroyed.[/QUOTE] Yes, that was fun. [img_thumb]http://i29.tinypic.com/24npoup.jpg[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;23229635]It's not a counter, it's just a weapon that allows them to fight sentries. They're not especially equipped to fight engineers and in fact engineers kill spies a lot mor ethan the other way around.[/QUOTE] It is a counter its just that most spies SUCK at there job. A good spy can stab and sap or sap+ambassador which is always a two hit KO if done right.

I could probably wreak havoc on an all engy team disguised as an engy :v:

[QUOTE=Eva-1337;23232690]I could probably wreak havoc on an all engy team disguised as an engy :v:[/QUOTE] There are whole servers full of engies picking bits of splintered skull and blue ski-mask material out of the joints in their gunslingers. In my experiences this update has been more of a hindrance than a help for spys. But that may just be the servers I'm going on. :v: