Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

Naturally, the Halo games were optimized for the sake of gameplay and not hypothetical realism. But here's why Covenant tech would still be no match for the military technology of today in a confrontation. 1. Covenant projectiles are very, very visible, and travel much more slowly than bullets (for the most part). This would allow human troops to pinpoint the location of enemy forces almost instantly and call in artillery support. 2. Covenant vehicles are unwieldy and underpowered. Wraith tank? No problem. Get an A-10 Warthog or an AH-64 Apache to lase and destroy it from eight kilometers off with a single Maverick or Hellfire missile. The 30mm cannons (which fire explosive armor-piercing shells) of both the above would shred the tank from two kilometers away just as easily - and less expensively. The Scarab could be wiped out instantly by a 2,000lb JDAM dropped from a fast jet a mile up, and guided in by infantry with a laser designator from a safe distance away. Banshees, phantoms and seraphs could be killed from four kilometers away with basic shoulder-launched SAMs, ten to twenty kilometers with AAMs, a kilometer with an AA gun, and from hundreds of kilometers away with any sophisticated radar-guided missile. 3. The Covenant don't know the meaning of 'camouflage'. Flourescent glossy personnel armor and vehicles with glowing components can be spotted from miles away by anyone with sharp enough eyes. Active camouflage would be a great threat to infantry that are not alert - but modern military aircraft and some infantry weapons usually have FLIR (Forward-Looking Infra Red) capabilities, and the active camo doesn't mask their thermal signature. The greatest advantage covenant troops would have would be their space warfare capabilities and their energy shielding - but neither would be enough to help them win a ground war - short of glassing a planet, of course. [U]Thread on Bungie Forums: [B][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=54861637]Here.[/url][/B] Just wait for the 'troll' accusations and righteous indignation.[/U] [editline]8:39 PM[/editline] Ah, right. I forgot. They're all under fifteen years old.

It's a game.

Also the human tech is weird - in 500 years, do you think we would really still be using bullets? And there are no hoverboards or flying cars

I mean I agree with you, but it's really just a game.' Automerge damnit.

Read the lore. And, as stated, it's a game.

[QUOTE=Jacinth;27160406]I mean I agree with you, but it's really just a game.' Automerge damnit.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah. But look at Mass Effect. That was a game - and yet all the tech was really improved by a great degree.

The Covenant has armored Gorillas which can easily take 2 or 3 explosives to kill. And these tank gorillas would easily number well into the hundreds of thousands. As well as gargantuan Hunters, which can take a rocket to the face, and still be capable of fighting back. And these would also number well into the hundreds of thousands.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160425]Well, yeah. But look at Mass Effect. That was a game - and yet all the tech was really improved by a great degree.[/QUOTE] Yeah having limited ammo sure is improved tech

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27160463]The Covenant has armored Gorillas which can easily take 2 or 3 explosives to kill. And these tank gorillas would easily number well into the hundreds of thousands. As well as gargantuan Hunters, which can take a rocket to the face, and still be capable of fighting back. And these would also number well into the hundreds of thousands.[/QUOTE] Actually, as I recall, rockets to the face kill hunters easily. Besides, just send an attack helicopter with its explosive cannons to slaughter legions of those things - I'd like to see a hunter hit a UH-1Z or AH-64 from two kilometers away with a fuel rod gun.

[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;27160470]I sure haven't played Mass Effect 1![/QUOTE] Fixed that for you.

Also some Covenant weapon systems are blatantly impractical. Why put a (fancy plasma) mortar onto the Wraith or Revenant? A nice laser would be more effective and dramatically less limited in range.

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27160522]I make stupid assumptions[/QUOTE] I've played both. I realize that weapons overheated to hell and back in ME1 but "heatsink cartridges" are just over-glorified bullets, except harder to find

[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;27160576]I've played both. I realize that weapons overheated to hell and back in ME1 but "heatsink cartridges" are just over-glorified bullets, except harder to find[/QUOTE] You still haven't read the codex in ME1 concerning weapons.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160508]Actually, as I recall, rockets to the face kill hunters easily. Besides, just send an attack helicopter with its explosive cannons to slaughter legions of those things - I'd like to see a hunter hit a UH-1Z or AH-64 from two kilometers away with a fuel rod gun.[/QUOTE] Depends on the difficulty. And Hunters are just colonies of worms. While the games dont show it, they would be fully capable of attacking minus their legs. And yeh, we would be pretty good in the air, considering how slow Banshees and Seraphs move, and how slow and uneffective their anti air tanks are.

[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;27160530] Why put a mortar onto the Wraith or Revenant when a nice laser would be more effective and dramatically less limited in range.[/QUOTE] I don't know, maybe because playing a game where every few seconds you instantly get killed by invisible lasers fired at you from miles and miles away wouldn't be very enjoyable?

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27160611]Depends on the difficulty. And Hunters are just colonies of worms. While the games dont show it, they would be fully capable of attacking minus their legs.[/QUOTE] Napalm. I'm sure the Geneva conventions don't apply to extra-terrestrials.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160597]You still haven't read the codex in ME1 concerning weapons.[/QUOTE] I probably have. The tech might technically be more advanced but its still limited ammo which is hilarious

[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;27160576]I've played both. I realize that weapons overheated to hell and back in ME1 but "heatsink cartridges" are just over-glorified bullets, except harder to find[/QUOTE] I'll go ahead and agree with that. However, tech-wise, it's still a step up from actual bullets. The weapons, from what I remember, shoot pellets from a big block of metal in the gun that virtually never runs out. This entirely cuts out the process of manufacturing bullets, saving a great deal of money. Granted, in ME2 they "began manufacturing (requiring)" heatsink cartridges, but that's still a lot less costly.

halo sucks. The reason the enemy's are so shit is because its a kids game :v: Bright armor (easy to aim at) Bright lights on vehicles (easy to aim at) :derp:

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160633]Napalm. I'm sure the Geneva conventions don't apply to extra-terrestrials.[/QUOTE] It has to be manufactured and distributed. I'm pretty sure they don't keep outlawed weapons around for hundreds of years.

[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;27160660]It has to be manufactured and distributed. I'm pretty sure they don't keep outlawed weapons around for hundreds of years.[/QUOTE] Implying no planetary weapons would be developed and/or manufactured for centuries. Edit: Especially with the advent of interstellar travel. (Not sure if Halo has FTL travel.) Edit 2: I also love how outdated military technology is in supposedly "modern" military games. That AK-47? Over 50 iterations outdated. From what I know, the most recent design has almost no recoil due to (something with gas ejections in opposite directions, pardon my lack of technical knowledge.) EDIT AGAIN: [quote=Wikipedia]The AK-107 and AK-108 represent a significant change to the Kalashnikov operating system originally designed in the late 1940s. The new rifle features a balanced system that functions along the lines of Newton's third law of motion, which states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This system uses a recoil-reducing countermass mechanism with two operating rods that move in opposite directions, thereby providing "balance". One operating rod, the upper, has a gas piston facing forward while the also has a gas piston. The gas tube at the forward end of the handguard is double-ended to accommodate the two rods. The enlarged gas tube cover of the upper handguard guides both rods in their travel. When the rifle is fired, gas is tapped from the gas port to enter the gas tube, driving the bolt carrier to the rear and the counter-recoil upper rail forward. The critical timing of the reciprocating parts is accomplished by a star-shaped sprocket that links and synchronizes both components, causing both to reach their maximum extension, or null point where forces are exactly equal, at exactly the same instant. The felt recoil is therefore eliminated, enhancing accuracy and assisting control during fully automatic fire. The travel distance of the AK-107 reciprocating parts is less than other Kalashnikov designs, so the cyclic rate is higher at 850–900 rounds/min rather than 600 rounds/min on other AK rifles. However, as the felt recoil is virtually eliminated, the manufacturer claims that accuracy is enhanced, especially during burst fire. An enhancement of 1.5 to 2 times, compared to the original AK100 series, has been reported[/quote]

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160633]Napalm. I'm sure the Geneva conventions don't apply to extra-terrestrials.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't killing a Hunter be considered an act of genocide?

[QUOTE=c0nk3r;27160658]halo sucks. The reason the enemy's are so shit is because its a kids game :v: Bright armor (easy to aim at) Bright lights on vehicles (easy to aim at) :derp:[/QUOTE] Damn, you are so original and witty! Where ever do you get your humor from? Also, The major reason the Covenant wins is due to numbers. To us, we lose a hundred thousand troops, we are down a hundred thousand troops. To the Covenant, lose a hundred thousand troops, take over another planet and form them into troops.

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27160684]Implying no planetary weapons would be developed and/or manufactured for centuries. Edit: Especially with the advent of interstellar travel. (Not sure if Halo has FTL travel.)[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it couldn't/wouldn't be done, it would just take time to produce large enough quantities and delivery systems to be utilized effectively or on a large scale. Problem is that in the Halo series the Covenant attack and advance very quickly, iirc.

[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;27160644]I probably have. The tech might technically be more advanced but its still limited ammo which is hilarious[/QUOTE] Limited Ammo =/= several thousand bullets per clip. Read the damn codex.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27160719]Halo is like Star Wars - Mostly tries to stay in the realms of science fantasy - i.e. Blatent impossibilities, but generally done for the sake of fun. Mass Effect is like Star Trek - Mostly tries to stay in the realms of science fiction - i.e. actually based on real theoretical science.[/QUOTE] And yet, people still scream and cry that Halo and Star Wars are utterly realistic, and Mass Effect and Star Trek are unrealistic. :v:

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160508]Actually, as I recall, rockets to the face kill hunters easily. Besides, just send an attack helicopter with its explosive cannons to slaughter legions of those things - I'd like to see a hunter hit a UH-1Z or AH-64 from two kilometers away with a fuel rod gun.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ, you keep referring to killing infantry with vehicles. No shit, of course modern vehicles could take out future infantry. But the rest of your thread remains true.

How humanity is struggling in a war against armies whos most common and numerous soldier goes into battle with a big take of [i]explosive gas[/i] strapped to his back i will never know.

[QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;27160801]How humanity is struggling in a war against armies whos most common and numerous soldier goes into battle with a big take of [i]explosive gas[/i] strapped to his back i will never know.[/QUOTE] Numbers. We only have the Earth left, with a quickly dwindling supply of people. The Covenant would have at least 5 times as many people as Earth would have had before the war.

[QUOTE=Snail562;27160796]Jesus christ, you keep referring to killing infantry with vehicles. No shit, of course modern vehicles could take out future infantry. But the rest of your thread remains true.[/QUOTE] That's true as well :P