[WIP] Dark Redemption - Games

[B]A friend of mine has been working on an MMORPG client using the Minecraft engine. He's asked me to try and find some people who are willing to help him make this become a reality. Thing is, he found out that Dark Redemption is some Star Wars fan film, so he plans to give it a different name soon. But for now, it stays. [/B] [IMG]http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/11/darkredemption.png[/IMG] [B]What is Dark Redemption?[/B] [QUOTE]Dark Redemption is a true MMORPG client built with the Minecraft engine, pushing the limits to beyond imagination. Dark Redemption was designed to allow players create an adventure based on their likings, and still include the features of a true MMORPG. Dark Redemption is still in development and will be released soon.[/QUOTE] [B]What makes us different?[/B] [QUOTE]Virtually all MMORPGs in current existence are using either mods or plug-ins. With Dark Redemption, you can download the client and play immediately without hassle; no other installation is necessary. Other fully modded RPGs are not multiplayer-compatible. With Dark Redemption, you have one server to play on and you can join any time[/QUOTE]. [B]Features:[/B] [QUOTE][B]Brand New GUI[/B] - A new beautifully designed GUI that will catch one's eye! [B]Character Creation Page[/B] - Tired of your current Minecraft name? Only thing you'll need it for is to log in. Once you're logged on, create up to 5 new characters and choose a new in-game name. [B]Class System[/B] - Choose from 3 unique classes: Warrior, Mage, and Archer. [B]Leveling System[/B] - Leveling is now introduced! Gaining experience increases your over-all level and gives you the chance to unlock tons of new weapons, armor, companions, and more! [B]Lore[/B] - An excellent lore for players to read and follow, combining unique elements of both zombie-themed and medieval-written classic stories. [B]New Weapons[/B] - Over 30 new weapons introduced! [B]Talent Trees[/B] - Combine Gems or Scrolls to your weapons and get a handy upgrade. [B]New Monsters[/B] - A great load of new mobs to be added, all of which have different reactions from different tiers of weapons. [B]Spells[/B] - What's a Mage without any spells? [B]NPCs[/B] - Non-Player-Characters that range from vendors to your own companions! [B]Companions[/B] - Companions are little NPCs that follow you similar to wolves, and each is individually useful in areas such as combat, defense, mining, et cetera. [B]New Crafting Recipes[/B] - Over 30 new crafting recipes ranging from weapons to fun devices![/QUOTE] [B]What is really lying underneath Dark Redemption? What is it trying to accomplish?[/B] [QUOTE]Dark Redemption was designed to be fun and enjoyable for MMO fans. We thought of Minecraft as a tool that could be created into something much more than just a sandbox game. Virtually all other servers have a common similarity - using simply the tools Minecraft gave them to work with instead of making their own. Dark Redemption aims for players to feel a true experience within the Minecraft world outside of traditional gameplay; Something that can't be explained in words or pictures - an experience you have to play for yourself to believe.[/QUOTE] [B]FAQ:[/B] [B]What is included within this client?[/B] [QUOTE]As explained earlier, Dark Redemption has dozens of new features. Starting with a brand new redesigned GUI to things such as new monsters, weapons, crafting recipes, and even companion NPCs. On top of this, it is 100% Multiplayer Compatible.[/QUOTE] [B]Will there be quests or missions to accomplish?[/B] [QUOTE]There will be at least 100 quests that you can do for NPCs. However, all quests and missions are optional and are not required. You are fully able to ignore the quests and still complete whatever objectives you may proclaim.[/QUOTE] [B]Will there be pre-established towns or villages where NPCs reside?[/B] [QUOTE]The whole map will be pre-built, including terrain and structures. There will be pre-established areas where NPCs live, but players can construct their own village with proper consent and materials. NPCs will likely not reside there unless it grows to become a town.[/QUOTE] [B]Will there be dungeons?[/B] [QUOTE]There will be several; Dark Redemption will have vast amounts of dungeons for players to explore and quest in. These areas will be known as instances. Only one's group can enter these dungeons at a time.[/QUOTE] [B]So, there will be groups?[/B] [QUOTE]Players can create groups, parties, or even guilds with dozens of members. You can also play in isolation or only make "drifting" connections at the expense of being more susceptible to attack.[/QUOTE] [B]Can players build/destroy in this world at all?[/B] [QUOTE]A player will not be able to build or destroy in pre-built cities. However, players can start their own villages with the proper consent of authority figures (as the server is a roleplay), as described above.[/QUOTE] [B]More information will be provided as development occurs.[/B] [B]And this is maybe setting our standards a little TOO high, but he wanted me to include this as well:[/B] [IMG]http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2153/1232w.png[/IMG] [B]Dark Redemption needs a great amount of talented individuals to leap into reality. This project requires dedicated hard work, a willing team attitude, and proper experience. You can apply for multiple positions, such as "Coder" and "Website Designer" or "Artist" and "Movie Maker". So only super duper serious job people [/B][IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-v.gif[/IMG] [B] News:[/B] [B] January 8th, 2012[/B] -I am currently working on the Single Player Version of the client. Alpha will be released within a few weeks and will contain some small features. These features are only to test the core of the client and will not include all if not any of the real features. Stay tuned. (And by "I", it means him) [B]Contact him through Steam:[/B] [URL]http://steamcommunity.com/id/jok3r09[/URL]

[b]"you can download the client and play immediately without hassle"[/b] I don't think you're allowed to just rip out a part of Minecraft, Build your own content onto it and distribute it again. [b]"What makes us different?"[/b] The difference between you and hundreds of other idea guys is that you made a pretty nice OP. Besides that it seems you're just another person with the next big thing since sliced bread. [b]"[i]Massively Multiplayer Online[/i] Role Playing Game"[/b] and [b]"you have one server to play on"[/b] You're saying you want the entire player base to play on one server? Minecraft has been proven in the past that it's not good at gigantic numbers of players. (64+) I think I've seen a couple of concepts about 100+ servers but those don't really work well. [b]"The whole map will be pre-built, including terrain and structures."[/b] Minecraft is all about it's creativity and freedom, Take that away and you have dumb AI and shitty combat. So basicly you're taking away everything that defines Minecraft. That alone pretty much defeats any reason to use the "Minecraft engine" If you know anything about computers and programming you would know you're not able to make an MMORPG out of the "minecraft engine" you would know that for such a thing you would have to write your own engine.

This will never take off.

Don't think it's gonna work, however if it does, it would be cool.

Good luck with this!

[QUOTE=Djessey;34160781][b]"you can download the client and play immediately without hassle"[/b] I don't think you're allowed to just rip out a part of Minecraft, Build your own content onto it and distribute it again. [/QUOTE] You sir are obviously a nub at everything Minecraft. I am the lead developer of Dark Redemption and creator, you obviously haven't seen what people are capable of. I got the idea to start an MMORPG after seeing countless efforts to make an RPG by some people. The fact that these RPG's is just a MOD, meaning you add files to your minecraft.jar file, is not something that I find amusing. In fact, taking credit for the Minecraft client itself is illegal. But no, I am not doing that, and you obviously have no clue to what measures are taken to programming. Mojang's terms of service are not detailed at all and include no information that tells me I can't do what I am doing. I am taking credit for my part in the Client, not Mojang's. I appreciate what they do, but I think it can be something way more than what it is now. [Quote] [b]"What makes us different?"[/b] The difference between you and hundreds of other idea guys is that you made a pretty nice OP. Besides that it seems you're just another person with the next big thing since sliced bread. [/QUOTE] I am sorry, have you seen a full MMORPG yet on the forums? No, I didn't think so. Every mod currently is only for singleplayer and the fact that you haven't noticed this means that you are just everyone else playing without mods. Anyone playing with a mod would have noticed this. [QUOTE][b]"[i]Massively Multiplayer Online[/i] Role Playing Game"[/b] and [b]"you have one server to play on"[/b] You're saying you want the entire player base to play on one server? Minecraft has been proven in the past that it's not good at gigantic numbers of players. (64+) I think I've seen a couple of concepts about 100+ servers but those don't really work well.[/QUOTE] No Minecraft has not been proven that, only that is your theory. You claim that 64+ is what I should limit my player base? Under what reference? Performance? Pc problems? A server running under 32 Gigabytes of RAM with a 1000 GB UP-link and high performance PC equipment makes my server handle up to over 200+. Will I be having that? No, I will intentionally spend more money in the future to buy more servers, if I can't keep up with it, maybe I will release the server software. [QUOTE] [b]"The whole map will be pre-built, including terrain and structures."[/b] Minecraft is all about it's creativity and freedom, Take that away and you have dumb AI and shitty combat. So basicly you're taking away everything that defines Minecraft. That alone pretty much defeats any reason to use the "Minecraft engine"[/Quote] Minecraft is not just creativity and freedom. You seem to not have gone past the sight of that. Minecraft has brought forth thousands of developers as a whole community to develop, using it as a school educational program, and has even become a real social media. I don't go on my server to build because frankly I suck at it, and so do other's. Some prefer just to talk and play survival, and that is what Dark Redemption provides. MMORPG's aren't about building, they are about fighting and reaching a common goal ex: be the hero. [QUOTE] If you know anything about computers and programming you would know you're not able to make an MMORPG out of the "minecraft engine" you would know that for such a thing you would have to write your own engine.[/Quote] Honestly you have no idea what you are talking about. You can make anything out of the Minecraft Engine and what the community has made proves my fact 100%. I can do what I please with the engine. If you knew anything about programming and true gaming, you would know that you can do anything with an engine (because its your engine/your code/your idea, not limited to one stupid factor). You sir haven't the slightest clue how dumb you sounded throughout you're rant about this project, in fact, you don't even know the progress, so how can such a person talk of mockery about it?

[QUOTE=BluePhase;34169908]rant[/QUOTE] Ohmigod. Wouldn't think you'd respond. This is as funny as when the SpicyTornado people found their thread. But you's gon get dun banned.

This is pretty awesome :P

Shitstorm arriving in 3...2...1...

Didn't expect you to actually properly respond to my arguments, So I applaud you for that. [sp]That doesn't rule out your arguments are retarded[/sp] I mean for gods sake you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, Throwing ~kewl and nerdy~ terms into sentences doesn't make it a better argument. For example I stated [quote]Minecraft has been proven in the past that it's not good at gigantic numbers of players.[/quote] I never even remotely stated anything about computer hardware requirements and there you go off telling me that I'm wrong because I don't have supr xtreme pc II wiv 2000GB memory power speed 20gbh!!! Yes throwing in better hardware will increase the performance on a server allowing it to handle a bit more players. This however does NOT mean Minecraft is good at handling multiplayer. Then here you're saying the following : [quote]Minecraft is not just creativity and freedom. You seem to not have gone past the sight of that. Minecraft has brought forth thousands of developers as a whole community to develop, using it as a school educational program, and has even become a real social media.[/quote] Not only does your reply have NOTHING to to with why you're removing the biggest features from Minecraft. It doesn't even make any god damn sense. You're saying that because there are people that love developing content for Minecraft they will play your MMORPG shit? [quote]Honestly you have no idea what you are talking about. You can make anything out of the Minecraft Engine and what the community has made proves my fact 100%. I can do what I please with the engine. [b]If you knew anything about programming and true gaming[/b], you would know that you can do anything with an engine (because its your engine/your code/your idea, not limited to one stupid factor). [b]You sir haven't the slightest clue how dumb you sounded throughout you're rant about this project[/b], in fact, you don't even know the progress, so how can such a person talk of mockery about it?[/quote] Yeah I'm sorry I'm not xXx.uber_1337_leet_hax0r.xXx And yeah I'm so so sorry, I didn't realize until now how dumb I actually am. Seriously, [b]Get the fuck out you god damn retard before you hurt yourself.[/b]

This looks really cool. Don't listen to the haters, or the people doubting you, at least try!

[QUOTE=ProWaffle;34174356]Shitstorm arriving in 3...2...1...[/QUOTE] Just in time.

So are you going to go ask notch or.... Your kind of taking his game and ripping it for free then it sounds like you want to sell it as a service so.... Yeah.... Plus notch is such a bad coder.... and the engine runs so bad.... Your better off creating something much better in C++ and cross platform... I'm pretty sure notch doesn't want people paying for mods of his game too.... From a programming prospect what your doing is so silly (Yes silly!) and such a waste of time.... And on that the network code is SO shitty its no even remotely funny....

[QUOTE=BluePhase;34169908]You sir are obviously a nub at everything Minecraft. I am the lead developer of Dark Redemption and creator, you obviously haven't seen what people are capable of. I got the idea to start an MMORPG after seeing countless efforts to make an RPG by some people. The fact that these RPG's is just a MOD, meaning you add files to your minecraft.jar file, is not something that I find amusing. In fact, taking credit for the Minecraft client itself is illegal. But no, I am not doing that, and you obviously have no clue to what measures are taken to programming. Mojang's terms of service are not detailed at all and include no information that tells me I can't do what I am doing. I am taking credit for my part in the Client, not Mojang's. I appreciate what they do, but I think it can be something way more than what it is now.[/QUOTE] You sir are just plain stupid. [url]http://www.minecraft.net/terms[/url] [QUOTE]Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to, the client or the server software for the game. This also includes modified versions of anything we've made. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ziirxia;34160900]This will never take off.[/QUOTE] I hope it never takes off. Terrible idea.

Interesting idea. I don't think this will ever take off.

[quote]This will never take off.[/quote] [quote]I hope it never takes off.[/quote] [quote]Interesting idea. I don't think this will ever take off.[/quote] [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/KtWzJB.png[/img] No really how will this compare to any MMORPG ever made. In case you haven't noticed, in terms of fighting and survival, Minecraft is a bit dull, and with any sort of skill, you don't need to have LEVEL 2234234 to kill a monster.

[QUOTE=BluePhase;34169908]You sir are obviously a nub at everything Minecraft. [/QUOTE] And here's where any credibility you had gets thrown right out the window.

[QUOTE]Didn't expect you to actually properly respond to my arguments, So I applaud you for that. [sp]That doesn't rule out your arguments are retarded[/sp] I mean for gods sake you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, Throwing ~kewl and nerdy~ terms into sentences doesn't make it a better argument. [/quote] Would you mind showing references to the "crap" I have no clue about? It is damn obvious that you sir are just a kid who has no life sitting behind his computer posting on this thread. I didn't ask for my friend to post this, in fact it was reasons like these that I didn't want it posted here. My "kewl and nerdy" terms is not something you should have acknowledged in the first place, or "waz u 1/2 bwain dad" when you were reading? I think the bigger idiot here is the one with 3k+ posts sitting here and wasting his/her time trashing this thread. [quote]For example I stated I never even remotely stated anything about computer hardware requirements and there you go off telling me that I'm wrong because I don't have supr xtreme pc II wiv 2000GB memory power speed 20gbh!!! Yes throwing in better hardware will increase the performance on a server allowing it to handle a bit more players. This however does NOT mean Minecraft is good at handling multiplayer.[/quote] No sh*t sherlock's, of course Minecraft is not good at handling Multiplayer because Notch does not know how to handle that to the fullest extent yet. You assume I am a 5 year old who knows nothing of programming. In fact, I know C++, C#, LUA, Java, and HTML. So the fact that you know NOTHING of programming, means you can't rant about my facts. The Network Manager code was done in a sloppy order, and because of this I have reworked it from scratch involving new methods and parameters for certain types of crashes. AND you still have not answered my question, what makes Multiplayer BAD in Minecraft? You just declare that it is bad which is not a very good source at all genius. [quote]Then here you're saying the following : Not only does your reply have NOTHING to to with why you're removing the biggest features from Minecraft. It doesn't even make any god damn sense. You're saying that because there are people that love developing content for Minecraft they will play your MMORPG shit? [/quote] Again, were you brain dead when reading my damn post? This is an MMORPG. Building is not included with any MMORPG because of the fact of over 200 people being dicks and destroying good work. My friend did not paste the entire post, when in fact, we haven't even said building wasn't going to be excluded. As stated in our MinecraftForum Post "- A player will not be able to build or destroy in pre-built cities. However, players can start their own villages with the proper consent of authority figures (as the server is a roleplay), as described above." This is still being reworked because it will be hard to manage 50+ players requests to build a city, ideas included having a separate team that apply for building. My reply had answered your question fully, but it was because you obviously haven't played any damn MMORPGs that you didn't understand it. [quote]Yeah I'm sorry I'm not xXx.uber_1337_leet_hax0r.xXx And yeah I'm so so sorry, I didn't realize until now how dumb I actually am.[/quote] ^Thanks for proving my point wise guy. [quote]Seriously, [b]Get the fuck out you god damn retard before you hurt yourself.[/b][/quote] My thread, you leave. [QUOTE=1solidsnake2;34181825]You sir are just plain stupid. [url]http://www.minecraft.net/terms[/url][/QUOTE] No sir, I don't believe so. That damn statement is broad as hell. "This includes modified versions anything we've made." I am not modifying anything, I am adding onto it. According to the dictionary, modify means "to make minor changes in" And I am not doing that. If I WERE to be doing that, then I make an installer that people can click, and it installs the files to their Dark Redemption folder. SO thanks for bringing this up btw....

No matter how valid what you have to say is, the fact you'd argue like a child about it speaks for itself. I mean, you've handled this the wrong way entirely and have made a poor example of yourself to the people you're trying to advertise your mod to. It's put me off looking at it in the future.

[QUOTE=BluePhase;34187135]Would you mind showing references to the "crap" I have no clue about? It is damn obvious that you sir are just a kid who has no life sitting behind his computer posting on this thread. I didn't ask for my friend to post this, in fact it was reasons like these that I didn't want it posted here. My "kewl and nerdy" terms is not something you should have acknowledged in the first place, or "waz u 1/2 bwain dad" when you were reading? I think the bigger idiot here is the one with 3k+ posts sitting here and wasting his/her time trashing this thread. No sh*t sherlock's, of course Minecraft is not good at handling Multiplayer because Notch does not know how to handle that to the fullest extent yet. You assume I am a 5 year old who knows nothing of programming. In fact, I know C++, C#, LUA, Java, and HTML. So the fact that you know NOTHING of programming, means you can't rant about my facts. The Network Manager code was done in a sloppy order, and because of this I have reworked it from scratch involving new methods and parameters for certain types of crashes. AND you still have not answered my question, what makes Multiplayer BAD in Minecraft? You just declare that it is bad which is not a very good source at all genius. Again, were you brain dead when reading my damn post? This is an MMORPG. Building is not included with any MMORPG because of the fact of over 200 people being dicks and destroying good work. My friend did not paste the entire post, when in fact, we haven't even said building wasn't going to be excluded. As stated in our MinecraftForum Post "- A player will not be able to build or destroy in pre-built cities. However, players can start their own villages with the proper consent of authority figures (as the server is a roleplay), as described above." This is still being reworked because it will be hard to manage 50+ players requests to build a city, ideas included having a separate team that apply for building. My reply had answered your question fully, but it was because you obviously haven't played any damn MMORPGs that you didn't understand it. ^Thanks for proving my point wise guy. My thread, you leave. No sir, I don't believe so. That damn statement is broad as hell. "This includes modified versions anything we've made." I am not modifying anything, I am adding onto it. According to the dictionary, modify means "to make minor changes in" And I am not doing that. If I WERE to be doing that, then I make an installer that people can click, and it installs the files to their Dark Redemption folder. SO thanks for bringing this up btw....[/QUOTE] [quote] 1. [b]To change in form or character; alter.[/b] 2. To make less extreme, severe, or strong: refused to modify her stand on the issue. 3. Grammar To qualify or limit the meaning of. For example, summer modifies day in the phrase a summer day. 4. Linguistics To change (a vowel) by umlaut.[/quote]

Guys, just leave him alone and let him make it and distribute it. That way we can laugh at him when Mojang sues him.

[QUOTE=BluePhase;34169908]Everything that's ever come out of this asshat's dumbfuck clap trap[/QUOTE] Your self-important egotistical retard swagger makes me wish this MMO bombs ultra hard just so you officially can't talk hot shit anymore.

[QUOTE=BluePhase;34187135]No sh*t sherlock's, of course Minecraft is not good at handling Multiplayer because Notch does not know how to handle that to the fullest extent yet. You assume I am a 5 year old who knows nothing of programming. In fact, I know C++, C#, LUA, Java, and HTML. So the fact that you know NOTHING of programming, means you can't rant about my facts. The Network Manager code was done in a sloppy order, and because of this I have reworked it from scratch involving new methods and parameters for certain types of crashes. AND you still have not answered my question, what makes Multiplayer BAD in Minecraft? You just declare that it is bad which is not a very good source at all genius.[/QUOTE] If you think HTML is a programming language then you need to rethink this. Oh, and if you're complaining that he has no source or reference for his information, you're an enormous hypocrite, because you're not backing your claims either. [QUOTE=BluePhase;34187135]My thread, you leave.[/QUOTE] It's not your forum. Whether we leave is up to ourselves or the mods. You can't whine every time someone opposes your opinion. If you want us to be impressed, show us some actual work. Instead of just typing up your ideas and expecting us to be impressed, why not post some videos showing tests of your vastly improved code? You said you've improved the netcode, if you really have, why not show some stress testing of it and compare it to the original netcode? Posting ideas and mixing it with technical jargon won't impress anyone. Results will. Even if it's just a small video showing a minor improvement, it would show that you're more than just an ideas guy. So why not show us what you've achieved so far?

[QUOTE=ProWaffle;34189544]So why not show us what you've achieved so far?[/QUOTE] Well, he achieved being a complete dick with flying colours.

Ok, honestly, facepunch, stop it. What's the point in actively trying to make him look bad? Wait until the guys manages to do something, then judge him. If it's bad, then you begin this stuff. However, he's planning to do this by himself, as the "hiring" seems to be a secondary thought added on. Let him try. He's said he will release a single-player alpha in a while, lets judge on that. Or, on any videos he may release. Also, a last piece of advice to BluePhase: Don't redistribute a client on minecraft's engine, make it a mod instead. A mod, can, in any case change ABSOLUTELY anything, you can change every single class file, you could change 90% of the code, and it would still be a mod, as long as it is something you paste over the vanilla minecraft. Also, don't flame people here back. Be nice, and I can understand why you would be angry, but flaming back isn't the way to do it - instead, prove us wrong. Show us a video. EDIT: Also, everyone, The whole limited building could work as a good idea. It means we don't get troll-penis towers. This is meant to be a MMO; and minecraft has some major features that would work well, like an infinite world (as well as some major shit parts... seriously, you are gonna need to recode the multiplayer, it's shit, and sends and updates random shit every tick that isn't needed). I know that building is what minecraft is, however, this limited building means that a large team of grief-checkers aren't needed, and it means you will actually get proper towns, and cities. The fact that it is built on minecraft doesn't need to mean it's completely for building. Just, please, BluePhase, stop making a fool of yourself, and start coding. Then we will care. You made this thread a bit early.

We're not trying to make him look bad, he's managing that himself.

Hey asshole, I was just pointing out some flaws with your entire MMORPG project. I was simply being suggestive. Then you got all agressive telling me how I'm "such a nub lol xxd". If you really can't see how dumb you are and how you're making fun of yourself then I'm truly sorry for you.

Well yeah, he hasn't made such a good picture of himself so far... He's very hostile. He's got to calm down.

12 year old confirmed.