Study finds that e-cig regulations push young people to conventional cigarettes - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE] By making it harder for people under 18 to buy e-cigarettes, which are considered vaping products and have less nicotine, the researchers argue teenagers are instead turning to traditional cigarettes, which are easier to obtain and less costly, Pesko said. Because vaping is more popular among youth than older adults, teenagers might be able to get traditional cigarettes from other outlets, such as their parents, whether voluntarily or by stealing, he added. E-cigarettes also become more expensive on the underground market because of the hassle of getting them, even though they’re less expensive when sold in stores compared with traditional cigarettes. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.marketwatch.com/story/e-cigarette-laws-make-more-young-people-smoke-actual-cigarettes-2017-04-10[/url]

So instead of letting people use the less-harmful alternative, we instead push them into using lung razors. Okay, that sounds like a good game plan. :badzing:

The poor tobacco industry have to earn money or else they go bankrupt. [sp]Lobby moar[/sp]

So what do you expect them to do? Like by a quick glance at this, the main reason is due to the disposable nature of the cigarette vs the e-cig. It's not like lawmakers can go "oh well e-cigs are slightly less harmful for underage smokers, lets make the age restriction lower just for them"

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52090495]So instead of letting people use the less-harmful alternative, we instead push them into using lung razors. Okay, that sounds like a good game plan. :badzing:[/QUOTE] Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't try to regulate e-cig use among people under 18. Sorry Jimmy, you can't have a marlboro, but you and your buddies in fifth grade should try out Strawberry Breeze. Tastiest way for children to get their nicotine!

[QUOTE=Pie_Tony;52090534]So what do you expect them to do? Like by a quick glance at this, the main reason is due to the disposable nature of the cigarette vs the e-cig. It's not like lawmakers can go "oh well e-cigs are slightly less harmful for underage smokers, lets make the age restriction lower just for them"[/QUOTE] If something is thousands of times less harmful I don't see the problem in letting them use it since it seems like they're pretty determined to get a nicotine fix regardless of the medium anyway.

[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;52090570]If something is thousands of times less harmful I don't see the problem in letting them use it since it seems like they're pretty determined to get a nicotine fix regardless of the medium anyway.[/QUOTE] You do realize there have been very little research about the long term effects of vaping.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090628]Why the fuck are young people smoking to begin with is the question people should really be asking.[/QUOTE] Popularity, oral fixation, flavor. The biggest thing is oral fixation. The majority of the world's population just enjoys messing with shit in their mouth. There's a reason there's so many chewed up pens.

I can vouch for this. Safe to say I'm only using my vape for wax now. Fuck flavours.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090628]Why the fuck are young people smoking to begin with is the question people should really be asking.[/QUOTE] Pleasure.

[QUOTE=Fausty;52090636]Popularity, oral fixation, flavor. The biggest thing is oral fixation. The majority of the world's population just enjoys messing with shit in their mouth. There's a reason there's so many chewed up pens.[/QUOTE] I've never gotten this, I can't even stand to keep gum in my mouth past shortly after the flavor's gone. But then, I suppose I'm not the majority of the world.

[QUOTE=matt000024;52090611]You do realize there have been very little research about the long term effects of vaping.[/QUOTE] I mean propylene glycol and glycerin both have an MSDS health rating of 0 meaning they're pretty much harmless and not to mention there's no combustion of anything involved with vaporizers. It's the burning of plant matter and the loads of chemicals added to tobacco that are the main health concerns with smoking cigarettes and vaporizers eliminate all those chemicals and the health effects associated with 'em. Sure there's risk and health effects involved with literally any chemical you put in your body, but the health effects from vapes are significantly less harmful than cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090628]Why the fuck are young people smoking to begin with is the question people should really be asking.[/QUOTE] Because in the short run it has little downsides? Other than the medical downsides later in life (which imo are a real risk, but the whole SMOKING WILL KILL thing is a bit overblown) a cig makes you more social and happy... until you get addicted that is.

[QUOTE=matt000024;52090663]Because in the short run it has little downsides? Other than the medical downsides later in life (which imo are a real risk, but the whole SMOKING WILL KILL thing is a bit overblown) a cig makes you more social and happy... until you get addicted that is.[/QUOTE] I never could get into ciggies, but hookah's been fun lately. Or just ditch the tobacco and enjoy something else if you're in a position to.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090628]Why the fuck are young people smoking to begin with is the question people should really be asking.[/QUOTE] Same reason anybody in the history of ever started smoking

In the UK, TPD is rolling in next month, meaning we can't buy bottles more than 10ml if they contain nicotine, essentially making it even more expensive to vape. I don't understand how the NHS can recommend vaping as an alternative to smoking, with evidence to support it, and the government then throws this shit at us. Same with baccy pouches, they've gone from selling 12.5 gram pouches to 30 grams, if anything it encourages people to smoke more to feel like they get their money's worth.

[QUOTE=Fausty;52090636]Popularity, oral fixation, flavor. The biggest thing is oral fixation. The majority of the world's population just enjoys messing with shit in their mouth. There's a reason there's so many chewed up pens.[/QUOTE] Not just that, though. Peer pressure and subtle marketing along with normalization of vices are to blame. There's a reason that most European countries now cover their cigarette gantries. Not only that but plain packaging, too, are a great deterrent combined with recent price hikes because of the availability of only 20sticks/30g loose. I know people who have quit because of plain packaging and the size increases. As someone who sells tobacco for a living, [B]Big Tobacco is pure evil and I can't wait to see it die..[/B]

I should point out that most of the E-cig regulations are pushed by big tobacco itself. I don't know if their lobbying is responsible for this age thing, but if it is this was probably their game plan: nicotine addicted kids will get cigarettes easier than vape supplies.

Well yeah. It's just the substitution effect. Regulations decrease supply/increase prices which makes the alternatives more appealing. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090848]Okay let me rephrase. Why would anyone, knowing what we know now, start smoking. Tobacco started being used for smoking in the americas for religious/ceremonial reasons. Addictiveness and a lack of contemporary medical understanding are the reasons it became ubiquitous. And no "smoking kills" is not overblown, it's [i]the[/i] leading cause of preventable death in the world. [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/health/frieden-preventable-deaths/[/url][/QUOTE] My best m8 picked up smoking and I really don't understand why. It's pretty much "it's an escape." But most addictions are irrational. It's not some failure in logic in the person, it's something about their circumstances/emotions.

exactly how big tobacco wants it to be.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52091224]exactly how big tobacco wants it to be.[/QUOTE] most of the major e-cig companies are subsidiaries of "big tobacco" Sorry wildman the system is smarter than you think it is.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090848]Okay let me rephrase. Why would anyone, knowing what we know now, start smoking. Tobacco started being used for smoking in the americas for religious/ceremonial reasons. Addictiveness and a lack of contemporary medical understanding are the reasons it became ubiquitous. And no "smoking kills" is not overblown, it's [i]the[/i] leading cause of preventable death in the world. [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/health/frieden-preventable-deaths/[/url][/QUOTE] Not everyone who smokes ends up dying from it though. At the same time people shovel down junk food on a daily basis too. It's our right to do what we want with out body. Cigarettes aren't all evil, they are like anything: okay in moderation. There are some people I know who honestly are far better on nicotine than off and really don't care much about living very long anyway.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52091823]What Cigarettes are 100% evil and bad for you, there's no benefit to smoking lol. Coming from an ex smoker. They might not give you cancer, but the myriad of negative health effects make an impact[/QUOTE] Also coming from an ex-smoker, they give you horrible stains on your teeth, make your breath smell bad and in general make you smell disgusting. You literally reek of the crap, I have switched to vaping and these new regulations the UK is bringing out is just crying out to me that tobacco companies pushed it on the government. "Have a free meal and stay at our luxury hotels so we can discuss some things!" - Modern day bribery

[QUOTE=matt000024;52091566]Not everyone who smokes ends up dying from it though. At the same time people shovel down junk food on a daily basis too. It's our right to do what we want with out body. Cigarettes aren't all evil, they are like anything: okay in moderation. There are some people I know who honestly are far better on nicotine than off and really don't care much about living very long anyway.[/QUOTE] This message has been paid for by the tobacco company

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52090974]Anyone who must ask this sort of question to begin with doesn't understand life. Not everyone lets the concept of health run their everyday lives. It's not just smoking, it's working in physical labor that guarantees fatal or severe, permanent disabilities later in life. It's drinking heavily on the weekends with friends. It's going somewhat above speed limits because sometimes you just feel like it. Everyday decisions in life, big or small, stem from an abundance of factors that guide us. Long term health, oftentimes, isn't really high on that priority list. People don't smoke cigarettes because of any of the convoluted reasoning people who dont smoke come up with. Oral fixation, peer pressure, none of this outdated nonsense. Studies that claim to have "cracked the nicotine mystery" are bogus and use faulty methodology by nature - because it's trying to study a social phenomena that is built around lying to oneself and obfuscating the fact that you are harming your own self by indulging. When it comes down to it, it's as simple as enjoying a cigarette because you like it, because you've "earned" it after a particularly difficult task or situation. Or maybe because it just brings up memories of a time where you were once younger and happier. Cigarettes are more than just "cancer sticks", and play a significant role in the lives of many. There is a severe disconnect between non-smokers and smokers in this regard.[/QUOTE] Could you be any more pretentious? You can't just talk about you ~understand life~ then just fucking throw the entire concept of peer pressure out the fucking window Yeah, I smoke. And like you, I think the confusion of some people here when faced with smokers comes off as absolutely sheltered. But christ, this post is just unbearable.

I see people who smoke daily and they look like total shit. Girls look twice their age. Cigs are disgusting

[QUOTE=redBadger;52092606]I see people who smoke daily and they look like total shit. Girls look twice their age. Cigs are disgusting[/QUOTE] Then there's the fact that people who smoke stinks. Their clothes, breath, and even the place they are will smell bad. Especially indoors. [editline]12th April 2017[/editline] And then there's secondhand smoke. Fuck that. Fuck having to face the consequences of someones redundant life choices

[QUOTE=matt000024;52091566]Not everyone who smokes ends up dying from it though. At the same time people shovel down junk food on a daily basis too. It's our right to do what we want with out body. Cigarettes aren't all evil, they are like anything: okay in moderation. There are some people I know who honestly are far better on nicotine than off and really don't care much about living very long anyway.[/QUOTE] I don't get how people are still playing down the horrible effects of smoking on the health. My father started smoking in his late teens and stopped in his early forties. He still got diagnosed with COPD in his sixties and has had two heart attacks now that he's in his late seventies. Most of his friends didn't stop smoking or waited longer until they stopped. And guess what, they're all dead. Of all the things my father regrets he said smoking is the one thing that he regrets the most, by far. People who say that they don't really care about the effects on health are delusional, they're lying to themselves and to the people around them.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52090974] When it comes down to it, it's as simple as enjoying a cigarette because you like it, because you've "earned" it after a particularly difficult task or situation. Or maybe because it just brings up memories of a time where you were once younger and happier. Cigarettes are more than just "cancer sticks", and play a significant role in the lives of many. There is a severe disconnect between non-smokers and smokers in this regard.[/QUOTE] How about you just, I don't know, substitute that "earned" feeling with something that doesn't cost a bunch, isn't heavily addictive, and doesn't have both short term and long term health effects? Yawn loudly. Chew some gum. indulge on some ice cream. Fap when you got the privacy. There's a million things better than fucking smoking cigarettes. Plus, having my parents and two of my best friends be active smokers, it isn't something you "earn" or to relive some childhood memories or some shit. You go outside. Have a smoke. Smoke in the car. Have another smoke before starting work. Got a break? Take a smoke. etc. Also if you're wondering, all four of the aforementioned friends and family want to quit and regret the day they touched a pack of cigs. The only thing keeping them in this destructive and expensive lifestyle is the addiction.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52090628]Why the fuck are young people smoking to begin with is the question people should really be asking.[/QUOTE] That's a stupid question, underage smoking was a problem since tobacco was discovered