US Defence Secretary James Mattis says climate change is 'already destabilising the world'
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[quote]The US Defence Secretary, General James ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, has warned that climate change is already destabilising parts of the world.
In written responses to questions put during his confirmation hearings, which were not published but were obtained by the ProPublica news website, the former Marine Corps officer indicated he had very different views to other leading members of the Trump administration.
While the new head of the Environmental Protection Agency recently denied that carbon dioxide is causing global warming – an idea scientists have compared to disputing gravity – General Mattis made clear climate change was a serious problem.
“Climate change is impacting stability in areas of the world where our troops are operating today,” he told senators.
“It is appropriate for the Combatant Commands to incorporate drivers of instability that impact the security environment in their areas into their planning.”
ProPublica said his responses had been given to them by “someone involved with coordinating efforts on climate change preparedness across more than a dozen government agencies”. The documents were confirmed as genuine by Senate staff, it added.[/quote]
Mattis 2020 please
remember, syria was caused by a prolonged drought as well as somalia and south sudan, but its bloody impossible to get republicans to even see the national security aspect
Reason #4,000,000 why wastefulness, irresponsibility, and anti-intellectualism are bad.
Hail God-General Mattis
May he bless us and keep us safe for the four years of the Trump administration
[QUOTE=Sableye;51964265]remember, syria was caused by a prolonged drought as well as somalia and south sudan, but its bloody impossible to get republicans to even see the national security aspect[/QUOTE]
It doesn't make them money so they don't give a fuck
"Mad Dog" is the most sensible one up there
global warming is a national security concern
not only will it displace hundreds of millions around the globe and push our need for resources further and more precarious on the tightrope, but it also directly causes damage to our own coastal infrastructure. many companies and people will have to be relocated as the waters rise, causing damage on a staggering scale.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51964320]It doesn't make them money so they don't give a fuck[/QUOTE]
It saves money, though. Economic impact of climate change will cost trillions.
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[QUOTE=aznz888;51964528]global warming is a national security concern
not only will it displace hundreds of millions around the globe and push our need for resources further and more precarious on the tightrope, but it also directly causes damage to our own coastal infrastructure. many companies and people will have to be relocated as the waters rise, causing damage on a staggering scale.[/QUOTE]
Look at the piracy thread I made last night. Foreign fishing destroyed Somalias fishing industry. The fishermen had mouths to feed. So they handed up and started pirating the fishing vessels. Wait until climate change devistated global fishing the world over. Climate change is directly related to global unrest.
[QUOTE=OvB;51964658]It saves money, though. Economic impact of climate change will cost trillions.
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Let me edit what he said just a little bit.
"It doesn't make them money in the short term and they'll be long dead before the effects kick in and if they aren't they'll have enough money to save themselves, so they don't give a fuck"
[QUOTE=OvB;51964658]It saves money, though. Economic impact of climate change will cost trillions.[/QUOTE]something tells me they don't plan that far ahead because most of them expect to be dead by then
I believe the Trump administration doesn't outright deny it, they just won't admit its a man made effect. Which obviously poses a problem when getting ahead on it.
Climate change is going to destabilize several regions, mostly in Africa and Central America. I suspect that by 2022, we'll be forced to put boots into some Latin American countries in order to protect our own interest.
[QUOTE=OvB;51964658]It saves money, though. Economic impact of climate change will cost trillions.
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Look at the piracy thread I made last night. Foreign fishing destroyed Somalias fishing industry. The fishermen had mouths to feed. So they handed up and started pirating the fishing vessels. Wait until climate change devistated global fishing the world over. Climate change is directly related to global unrest.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but most economists are circle jerking over how you can't quantify Clim.Change economic cost so you shouldn't invert in mitigating or avoiding it. Just "wait and see".
Yeap, I am myself an Econ student and it drives me fucking nuts reading all these guys who after studying statistics for so long can't read a goddamn NASA paper that clearly says "Dude, we're getting fucked" and then come up with "ehhhh we STILL don't know"....
Remember: Only 6 people have to fall into comas for the next 4 years for President Mattis to be a reality! :eng101:
I dunno if he'd be the best choice as a president, god knows there's probably a lot of difference between being an effective military leader and a good civil leader, but that being said, if it came down to a vote for Mattis or someone else, I might fucking do it. At the very least I wouldn't be disappointed if he won, because the man seems to fucking speak the truth rather than tow some bullshit line. Hell, I almost feel like if Mattis were to say something I kneejerked to disagree with, I'd be more likely to consider my own opinions seriously and perhaps modify them [i]because[/i] of what a realist he seems to be.
He's reinstating what has been evaluated by plenty of internal officials and defense analysts (not politicians mind you):
[video=youtube;Mc_4Z1oiXhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_4Z1oiXhY[/video]
Like Syria
[QUOTE=froztshock;51965243]Hell, I almost feel like if Mattis were to say something I kneejerked to disagree with, I'd be more likely to consider my own opinions seriously and perhaps modify them [i]because[/i] of what a realist he seems to be.[/QUOTE]
Like, that's the thing. If he says something that I disagree with, and were I to see him face to face, it'd be an actual conversation. Most members of the Trump administration screech nonsense and plug their ears, while Mattis seems to actually take the time and consider the options before opening his mouth.
I can't believe the military are the only ones who want to prevent what will essentially turn into decades or maybe even a century of resource wars after climate change goes full bore...actually that's not hard to believe at all. You'd think the GOP with its obsession with the military would actually listen to them, but I guess all those corporate bribes,er I mean...campaign contributions tell a different story eh?
[QUOTE=CP-26;51965353]I can't believe the military are the only ones who want to prevent what will essentially turn into decades or maybe even a century of resource wars after climate change goes full bore...actually that's not hard to believe at all. You'd think the GOP with its obsession with the military would actually listen to them, but I guess all those corporate bribes,er I mean...campaign contributions tell a different story eh?[/QUOTE]
The military is honestly more centrist than it can seem most of the time, its just the nature of their job.
The GOP especially pisses me off because they've done so much to hurt veterans in particular, and just generally seem to only give a damn about having the biggest set of military balls to slap on the table in place of diplomacy.
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Good example of what you mention is the production of Abrams tanks: the Army is saying "pls no more tanks" at this point, but the manufacture of those creates tons and tons of jobs. So, they keep getting produced and the Army has to find a way to store and maintain a fuckload of tanks. (hint: they kinda can't so a large quantity of our armor is sitting out in open storage yards)
The Navy was having issues too: they requested funding to prepare many of their naval bases for the effects of climate change (because, yknow, being AT sea level is kind of an issue), but were denied and told they were not doing their job - their job is to defend our nation, not push a "radical climate-change agenda".
The sheer amount of hypocrisy the GOP is capable of shitting out when it comes to interacting with our armed forces is stunning and horrifying.
[QUOTE=CP-26;51965353]I can't believe the military are the only ones who want to prevent what will essentially turn into decades or maybe even a century of resource wars after climate change goes full bore...actually that's not hard to believe at all. You'd think the GOP with its obsession with the military would actually listen to them, but I guess all those corporate bribes,er I mean...campaign contributions tell a different story eh?[/QUOTE]
the GOP just likes the social and economic [I]by-products[/I] of the military, they don't give a fuck about any of the people or institutions therein and they never did
Mattis, thank you for being a voice of reason in this crazy fucking world
[QUOTE=Saxon;51964779]I believe the Trump administration doesn't outright deny it, they just won't admit its a man made effect. Which obviously poses a problem when getting ahead on it.[/QUOTE]
if he waffles on it, that means he's denying it but can't outright say so because he does know better.
look how much he waffled on lgbt protections that he ultimately cut
you will die of old age, we will die of climate change
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51964986]Climate change is going to destabilize several regions, mostly in Africa and Central America. I suspect that by 2022, we'll be forced to put boots into some Latin American countries in order to protect our own interest.[/QUOTE]
presumably there won't be any latin American countries putting their own boots into the USA to protect their interests
Mattis vs Sanders 2020.
Now that'd be a fight I'd love to watch.
Why does Mattis look like the President of Earth in a scifi franchise?
It looks like he's going about to tell me about the casualties on Klendathu
[QUOTE=Sableye;51964265]remember, syria was caused by a prolonged drought as well as somalia and south sudan, but its bloody impossible to get republicans to even see the national security aspect[/QUOTE]
It was CAUSED by drought? That was the cause? Really?
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51969934]It was CAUSED by drought? That was the cause? Really?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's the soul cause, but it's fair to say it's a catalyst. Food shortage fuels desperation. Desperation fuels violence. As the population gets higher, and supply gets more scarce, we will see more global unrest as a result. It stands to reason that if climate change devastates food supply, it will result in more unrest. Therefore, climate change is a driver of terrorism and a considerable threat to national security.
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