Take-Two sent a C&D letter to the OpenIV team, therefore killing GTA 5 modding - Sensationalist Headlines

Official post from the OpenIV creator [quote]We feared that this day would come... And now it's here. The day, when GTA modding was declared illegal. GTA modding had long and glorious history. Since GTA III, people have created lots of different mods: from simple texture replacements to impressive full conversions.[/quote] [quote]On June 5th, 2017, we had received an official Cease-and-Desist letter. It clearly says, that with OpenIV we "allow third parties to defeat security features of its software and modify that software in violation Take-Two's rights". Yes, this letter is illiterate both technically and grammatically (really, they don't even bothered with proof-reading the text). Yes, we can go to court and yet again prove that modding is fair use and our actions are legal. Yes, we could. But we decided not to.[/quote] [quote]So, we decided to agree with their claims and we're stopping distribution of OpenIV.[/quote] So basically, no more modding for GTA 5, no liberty city map mod for gta 5. Basically a big fuck you from Take-Two Source: [url]http://gtaforums.com/topic/889348-openiv/[/url] EDIT: also don't forget to sign this petition [url]https://www.change.org/p/rockstar-games-save-openiv[/url] ScripthookV is back and updated Update: Rockstar's official statement on modding [url]https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009494848[/url]

I blame microtransactions

take two shooting itself in the foot again

[quote]really, they don't even bothered with proof-reading the text[/quote] The irony...

Welp, never gonna download GTAV ever again

Was there any actual reason for them to do this? Like, the Liberty City map I could see being an issue if they had a Liberty City paid DLC in the works. It seriously just that free user made content lowers sales of in game money, right?

[QUOTE=laserpanda;52359828]The irony...[/QUOTE] iirc Open IV are not english first language. You would expect some level of professionalism and proofreading considering it's a C&D letter from a company based in a country where English is the main language

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;52359823]take two shooting itself in the foot again[/QUOTE] Foot? Take-Two is shooting itself in the [I]head[/I] with this bullshit. The only reason a lot of people even bought GTAV on PC was for the modding, and killing modding is killing the reason to keep the game installed for those people.

What the fuck. I'm fucking [editline]14th June 2017[/editline] What the fuck. I'm fucking speechless. That's fucking it, I'm not touching another T2 product ever with a 10-foot pole again.

yeah, I was considering getting GTA 5 to mess around with. nevermind I guess

Not only am I not reinstalling GTA V, I've gone from "eh" to "I [I]definitely[/I] don't care" about GTA VI. Eat shit, Take Two.

and now these people own kerbal space program

I urge everyone to boycott Take-Two products, including the upcoming Red Dead Redemption 2. This is absolute horseshit and a travesty.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;52359868]I urge everyone to boycott Take-Two products, including the upcoming Red Dead Redemption 2. This is absolute horseshit and a travesty.[/QUOTE] I know you mean well, but look at how the left 4 dead 2 boycott turned out, when it came out everyone in that group was playing the game. I doubt that whoever boycotts the game will be so small of a gruop T2 wouldn't even notice them, compared to the amount of people that will buy RDR2 and whenever GTA 6 comes out.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;52359868]I urge everyone to boycott Take-Two products, including the upcoming Red Dead Redemption 2. This is absolute horseshit and a travesty.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--uJYUJ7W2--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18j48weujcgewjpg.jpg"]I'm sure the boycott will be very successful[/URL]

But aren't GTA V mods one of the few reasons why the game is so popular with Youtube gaming clickbait channels and the millions of kids that watch them?

If I were building extensive third-party modding tools (or something like FiveM), I'd try to do so anonymously. Fuck publishers.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;52359885]If I were building extensive third-party modding tools (or something like FiveM), I'd try to do so anonymously. Fuck publishers.[/QUOTE] I guarantee someone will replace them or the source code somehow gets out.

[QUOTE=SteakStyles;52359835]Was there any actual reason for them to do this? Like, the Liberty City map I could see being an issue if they had a Liberty City paid DLC in the works. It seriously just that free user made content lowers sales of in game money, right?[/QUOTE] OpenIV (the tool, not the team) assisted in the creation of hacking tools as well so their reasoning is the platform allows users to break the game, one method of which includes generating free money. Obviously when you can do this in the millions and bypass the need to pay 99 bucks for 8 million in-game cash, this becomes a problem because you no longer need to give them money. TL;DR; It was never a problem until they started charging for fake money. Now that they stand to lose cash on this and future titles, modding is incorrigible.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52359900]OpenIV (the tool, not the team) assisted in the creation of hacking tools as well so their reasoning is the platform allows users to break the game, one method of which includes generating free money. Obviously when you can do this in the millions and bypass the need to pay 99 bucks for 8 million in-game cash, this becomes a problem because you no longer need to give them money. [/QUOTE] AFAIK the only thing Open IV could do was add/replace files.

So how does this essentially kills GTA V modding? OpenIV is going to continue being out there, people will continue using it. All this means is that the devs are going to stop updating it and maybe removing it from where it's officially hosted. Unless i'm missing something? Can they not release the source code as well?

[QUOTE=timothy80;52359893]I guarantee someone will replace them or the source code somehow gets out.[/QUOTE] Really wouldn't be surprised if the code happens to be "accidently" leaked and maintained by other members of the community

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52359921]OpenIV didn't do any of that. It was only used to add/replace files.[/QUOTE] Still falls under the same blanket, it opens up the ecosystem to unfriendly files, which they could allege were used in the process of creating hacks since there's no definite proof either way. While OpenIV is in the right under fair use, a jury that isn't familiar with tech, much less special witnesses T2 could afford, they're backed into a corner. Point is whether or not it was actually used, they could allege that it was were this taken to court, because the people developing hacks are not the OpenIV team and that would require cooperation with the creators of those hacks.

[QUOTE=Adarrek;52359923]So how does this essentially kills GTA V modding? OpenIV is going to continue being out there, people will continue using it. All this means is that the devs are going to stop updating it and maybe removing it from where it's officially hosted. Unless i'm missing something? Can they not release the source code as well?[/QUOTE] openiv has mandatory online checks and forces you to install the latest version, which now just fucking tells you that using it now is illegal and gives you an option to uninstall it, so nobody can use it even privately now or for the other games it supported

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;52359885]If I were building extensive third-party modding tools (or something like FiveM), I'd try to do so anonymously. Fuck publishers.[/QUOTE] This. I don't understand why people don't develop these softwares anonymously. Did OpenIV receive a letter at their address? How do you even find their address? Why even share it with everyone? Fuck all this bullshit, just have an online identity, leave nothing that could be traced back to you or identify you in real life any way. Why don't people do this, especially for software that is distributed freely. [editline]14th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=9millmeeter;52359941]openiv has mandatory online checks and forces you to install the latest version, which now just fucking tells you that using it now is illegal and gives you an option to uninstall it, so nobody can use it even privately now or for the other games it supported[/QUOTE] I've never used OpenIV so i didn't know this but you are essentially forced to uninstall it now? Why all these online checks anyway?

Fucking bastards. Absolute disgrace to video games. I hope the many websites who host GTA mods as their primary purpose try to mount something to oppose this.

I don't know why anybody is surprised. Take-Two has always been heavily against modding of all forms. They've outright said so several times.

[QUOTE=Adarrek;52359943]This. I don't understand why people don't develop these softwares anonymously. Did OpenIV receive a letter at their address? How do you even find their address? Why even share it with everyone? Fuck all this bullshit, just have an online identity, leave nothing that could be traced back to you or identify you in real life any way. Why don't people do this, especially for software that is distributed freely.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming they contacted their webhost, or their ISP for the info. They're based in Russia.

Meanwhile Bethesda are embracing mods. While Take-Two remains stuck in ?????? whatever retarded state of mind required to even conceive the idea that mods are detrimental to your game.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;52359980]Meanwhile Bethesda are embracing mods. While Take-Two remains stuck in ?????? whatever retarded state of mind required to even conceive the idea that mods are detrimental to your game.[/QUOTE] They're trying to protect their micro-transactions in Multiplayer. Like their biggest problem is GTA Online reads your client side files. If you modify those it will effect you in Online.