WD has hard drive tech breakthrough: Up to 40 TB by 2019 - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41611802[/url] [QUOTE]The data-storing abilities of hard drives could soon swell to 40 terabytes (TB) and beyond, says Western Digital. Currently the largest hard disk drive (HDD) that stores data on spinning disks can hold about 14TB of information. Western Digital said the bigger drives were made possible by finding a way to use microwaves to write data on 3.5in drives. The first bigger-capacity drives should go on sale in 2019.[/QUOTE] :godzing:

[QUOTE]use microwaves to write data on 3.5in drives[/QUOTE] I can see the next 4chan prank from here : "Microwave your hard drive to increase its capacity!! Look at this article prooving it works"

Meanwhile internet companies still insist copper lines are enough

Even more room for even more porn! I mean pirated movies! I mean linux distros!

Yeah, but at what speeds?

it sounds like this is not ever going to be consumer level though

[QUOTE=richard9311;52778977]Yeah, but at what speeds?[/QUOTE] A higher density drive should mean higher speeds, right? That's been the case so far with harddrives as far as I know.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52778980]it sounds like this is not ever going to be consumer level though[/QUOTE]don't say "ever"

[QUOTE=Sableye;52778980]it sounds like this is not ever going to be consumer level though[/QUOTE] A lot of tech developed for business usually trickles down to the consumer products. Maybe in 2019 we could see 10TB consumer drives and 40TB Enterprise ones.

Don't know shit about hard drives, but is it true these may be more vulnerable to damage?

[QUOTE=Orkel;52778962]Meanwhile internet companies still insist copper lines are enough[/QUOTE] They're not entirely wrong either. You [i]can[/i] pull 10GigE speeds on something like Coax, but in most places with copper lines a lot of the wires have been installed incorrectly or are not preserved in a proper way, resulting in their quality becoming pure shit.

[QUOTE=The bird Man;52779019]Don't know shit about hard drives, but is it true these may be more vulnerable to damage?[/QUOTE] Unlikely. The extra components needed to generate the microwave field hardly affect the configuration of current perpendicular magnetic recording heads.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;52779028]They're not entirely wrong either. You [i]can[/i] pull 10GigE speeds on something like Coax, but in most places with copper lines a lot of the wires have been installed incorrectly or are not preserved in a proper way, resulting in their quality becoming pure shit.[/QUOTE] An example is where I live, phone line was buried without any protection. At all. Under a gravel road. Wired internet service is so bad here and they refuse to fix it. So we went to wide area wireless...and it's faster and more reliable than wired.

[QUOTE=Orkel;52778962]Meanwhile internet companies still insist copper lines are enough[/QUOTE]Not mention the Australia government [editline]15th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=mastersrp;52779028]They're not entirely wrong either. You [i]can[/i] pull 10GigE speeds on something like Coax, but in most places with copper lines a lot of the wires have been installed incorrectly or are not preserved in a proper way, resulting in their quality becoming pure shit.[/QUOTE]That's why they use the term "up to" in their advertising.

This will make a good archival drive when I manage to fill up all my space by then. 1/20th

[QUOTE=mastersrp;52779028]They're not entirely wrong either. You [i]can[/i] pull 10GigE speeds on something like Coax, but in most places with copper lines a lot of the wires have been installed incorrectly or are not preserved in a proper way, resulting in their quality becoming pure shit.[/QUOTE] The runs have to be fairly short, and are super susceptible to signal degradation. In most cases if you even wanted to deliver 1gibit/s you'd need to upgrade the lines - and at that point fiber is only marginally more expensive. Any company still installing copper for last-mile (or even to the local node, lmao CTL) is kidding themselves and should be dissolved for incompetence.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52778911][url]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41611802[/url] :godzing:[/QUOTE] More space for all of those uncompressed textures and sound files. Ah, the modern game industry.

[QUOTE=HL_Tentacle;52779888]More space for all of those uncompressed textures and sound files. Ah, the modern game industry.[/QUOTE] It's mostly because of console disc sizes really. Bandwidth is still expensive as hell. My guess would be it's incompetence with them thinking on just that medium of delivery.

[QUOTE=Orkel;52778962]Meanwhile internet companies still insist copper lines are enough[/QUOTE] ISP's were given tax breaks in the 90's in order to upgrade their networks across the nation and make America the first fiber optic country. Executives got pay raises, the tax breaks are still in effect, and we still do not have those upgrades. [editline]14th October 2017[/editline] If you defrauded the government like that as a private citizen, you would be in jail.

:wow:

[QUOTE=Orkel;52778962]Meanwhile internet companies still insist copper lines are enough[/QUOTE] Copper lines on overcrowded streets right next to the ocean soaking up all that humid salty air mmm Anyone want to guess my average packet loss? Do they

Note that it's actually the first larger capacity (MAMR) disks in 2019, 40TB is expected to be 2025.

[QUOTE=richard9311;52778977]Yeah, but at what speeds?[/QUOTE] If it's fast enough to match a WD 1TB Greenpower from the late 00s I'd be happy.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52780002]Copper lines on overcrowded streets right next to the ocean soaking up all that humid salty air mmm Anyone want to guess my average packet loss? Do they[/QUOTE] I didn't know that these lines are not put into the ground and that they are exposed to the air without any protection by rubber.

I'd care more about drive durability and lifespan. My 4 year old Seagate external as of the past few days is starting to die off and I expect a 7 year lifespan. Also the risk of the drive failing before you can migrate your data to a new one is not a pleasant thought. Still, 40TB on a commercial drive will be quite impressive. While mineral resources might eventually become scarce (as some already are or are hard to extract for various reasons), I enjoy the thought that we are at least making what we do have now more efficient than stalling progress and in 10 years we'd have to run a 10-drive RAID just to store our everyday files.

[QUOTE=NGC;52781637]I'd care more about drive durability and lifespan. My 4 year old Seagate external as of the past few days is starting to die off and I expect a 7 year lifespan. Also the risk of the drive failing before you can migrate your data to a new one is not a pleasant thought. Still, 40TB on a commercial drive will be quite impressive. While mineral resources might eventually become scarce (as some already are or are hard to extract for various reasons), I enjoy the thought that we are at least making what we do have now more efficient than stalling progress and in 10 years we'd have to run a 10-drive RAID just to store our everyday files.[/QUOTE] Most hard drives have a planned 5-year lifespan, you really should be replacing them after that, doubly so for non-enterprise drives, and especially not-sata external drives. [editline]15th October 2017[/editline] By most I mean, statistically, most drives start failing after 5 years of continuous usage.

[QUOTE=HL_Tentacle;52779888]More space for all of those uncompressed textures and sound files. Ah, the modern game industry.[/QUOTE] With modern hard drive size and file size defaults increasing it's very clear what's the bottleneck for technological progress. Get your shit together ISPs. Or governments regulating ISPs to ensure they're a competitive industry.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;52781651]Most hard drives have a planned 5-year lifespan, you really should be replacing them after that, doubly so for non-enterprise drives, and especially not-sata external drives. [editline]15th October 2017[/editline] By most I mean, statistically, most drives start failing after 5 years of continuous usage.[/QUOTE] I must've won the hard-drive lottery, as I've only had one of my 3-4 drives fail after nearly 10 years of use, and the rest are still going strong after 7-8.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52782056]I must've won the hard-drive lottery, as I've only had one of my 3-4 drives fail after nearly 10 years of use, and the rest are still going strong after 7-8.[/QUOTE] I have a WD black drive that's 8 years now, and a few WD RE4s that are pushing 6. 95+% uptime on them too. But doesn't mean I trust them at all, just delays my replacing them.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52782056]I must've won the hard-drive lottery, as I've only had one of my 3-4 drives fail after nearly 10 years of use, and the rest are still going strong after 7-8.[/QUOTE] My computer's main hard drive is 12 years old and has no problems whatsoever, other than being slow. I'll probably have to upgrade soon since SSDs are tempting me with their speeds.