Norway Ski Team’s Sweater Gets Tangled in a Neo-Nazi Uproar - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]OSLO — Norway’s ruthlessly successful Alpine ski team is preparing for next month’s Winter Olympics with a punishing training regimen of slaloms, weights and ice baths. So you would think that choosing what knitted woolly sweater to wear would be the easy bit. Designed at a time when public interest in Viking culture is experiencing a renaissance, the theme for Norway’s Alpine ski team uniforms this season is “the Attacking Viking,” a homage to the team’s nickname. But the sweater features a symbol known as the Tyr rune, which neo-Nazis want to claim as their own. There is little evidence that the rune originally had any symbolic significance beyond its sound value, but the letter shares the name of a Norse deity popularly understood as the god of war, Tyr. Nowadays, most runologists consider it a letter no more mysterious than the letter T.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/world/europe/norway-skiing-knitting-nazis.html[/url]

this is so stupid, we can't let these right-wing fringe groups lay claim on everything. any outrage just enables that. fuck off from my heritage you dumb nazi cunts

wow non story its just a pagan symbol

sucks that nazi's poisoned everything they touched. rip tooth brush mustache, not even Charlie Chaplin could save you.

[QUOTE]Ms. Finseth said she did not want to give knitting ideas to white supremacists[/QUOTE] Things I didn't think I'd read today. :v: I don't think it's worth letting go of symbols like this because a small group of white supremacists most people haven't heard of have used them when the symbol in question is just the letter t and, as someone pointed out in the article, they also use national flags as well as other letters and no one is getting rid of those. Obviously there are exceptions to this, though. Swastika based designs would be a bad idea.

So because their sweaters had Tiwaz runes on them people thought they were supporting neo nazis Good God people. Runes are part of Norwegian history :|

[QUOTE=Anteep;53107344]wow non story its just a pagan symbol[/QUOTE] It's not even a pagan symbol, it's literally just a letter with no traditional symbolic value. This is pretty much equivalent to if some nazi group in... I don't know, Japan or Egypt or some other place that doesn't use the latin alphabet started wearing a random-ass 'G' on their armbands.

[QUOTE=myon;53107339]this is so stupid, we can't let these right-wing fringe groups lay claim on everything. any outrage just enables that. fuck off from my heritage you dumb nazi cunts[/QUOTE] Neo Nazis didn't lay claim to these symbols, actual Nazis did. SS foreign divisions used all kinds of symbols, including these nordic runes. But they also used knights, vikings (Wiking division), birds, tanks, letters, ect. Its dumb to disassociate yourself from your heritage just because men of your heritage served with the SS under those symbols.

If people are this stupid to not understand that runes are a part of Nordic culture and history, then they should be left in their own ignorance, why give such idiots any attention or thought. If they won't spend five seconds googling then teaching them will do no good either.

Just an aside, i think it's hilarious how these neo-nazi fatties think they're nationalists in Scandinavia. And lay claim to scandinavian cultural heritage and use it as nazi symbolism. You simply cannot be a Scandinavian and a neo-nazi at the same time and remain ideologically consistent with your nationalism. Seeing as the nazi's made it clear what they thought of our national sovereignty when they fucking invaded. They should fuck off to some nazi country- oh right they cant, because the nazi's got their pureblooded asses kicked and saw their glorious reich soundly out-competed by their neighbors.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53107372]Neo Nazis didn't lay claim to these symbols, actual Nazis did. SS foreign divisions used all kinds of symbols, including these nordic runes. But they also used knights, vikings (Wiking division), birds, tanks, letters, ect. Its dumb to disassociate yourself from your heritage just because men of your heritage served with the SS under those symbols.[/QUOTE] Pretty much, this is just hysteria, there's nothing wrong with using these logos. Nazis didn't invent them, they just laid claim to them, and imo it's the Nordic people's responsibility to vehemently deny that claim. If we truly felt that every Nazi symbol needed to be metaphorically burned, then we'd need a new asterisk because guess what: [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/6th_SS_Division_Logo.svg/1200px-6th_SS_Division_Logo.svg.png[/t] Images like the Swastika or SS bolts may be lost because they were undoubtedly part of Nazi identity, but things like local party or division symbols should still be fought over. We shouldn't let Nazis continue to ruin things.

It's not [B]just[/B] because of the rune, it's probably also the unfortunate frame that makes it look like the exact logo minus colors. I haven't seen this Tyr and frame combo outside of NMR. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Nordic_Resistance_Movement_Logo.png/240px-Nordic_Resistance_Movement_Logo.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Hauptmann;53107329]But the sweater features a symbol known as the Tyr rune, which neo-Nazis want to claim as their own.[/QUOTE] Oh fuck off. Can't have any of our own culture because these white supremacist shits want it all to themselves. Also, Tyr is not "the god of war." Tyr is the god of law and heroism. He's commonly invoked during Things, which are democratic gatherings of pagans.

Although they should just stick with it to not give the NMR any claim on the rune.

Some time ago I invited one of my friends who happens to be Ukrainian to record a vid with me for my (Polish) channel. He decided to wear a t-shirt with this symbol on it. [img]https://i.imgur.com/JD7jIP8.png[/img] Some people found it outrageous. Turns out they recognized the symbol as a symbol of a radical ukrainian nationalist paramilitary group Ukrainian Insurgent Army. [img]http://cs413729.vk.me/v413729945/63e9/Da__3Dz-Hxc.jpg[/img] My friend was called a vermin, I was called a traitor, we were both accused of instigation and trying to push nazi agenda on my viewers. So is my friend an enemy of the state? No. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine[/url] He was wearing a t-shirt with his country's coat of arms, a symbol existing since the Rurik dynasty, recognized as a national symbol since 1918, years before UIA. We have a responsibility to defend and educate others about our symbols and their meaning, rejecting them the moment a radical group tries to take ownership of them robs us of our history. Fuck Nazis man.

[QUOTE=Raptor_S;53107502]Some time ago I invited one of my friends who happens to be Ukrainian to record a vid with me for my (Polish) channel. He decided to wear a t-shirt with this symbol on it. [img]https://i.imgur.com/JD7jIP8.png[/img] Some people found it outrageous. Turns out they recognized the symbol as a symbol of a radical ukrainian nationalist paramilitary group Ukrainian Insurgent Army. [img]http://cs413729.vk.me/v413729945/63e9/Da__3Dz-Hxc.jpg[/img] My friend was called a vermin, I was called a traitor, we were both accused of instigation and trying to push nazi agenda on my viewers. So is my friend an enemy of the state? No. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine[/url] He was wearing a t-shirt with his country's coat of arms, a symbol existing since the Rurik dynasty, recognized as a national symbol since 1918, years before UIA. We have a responsibility to defend and educate others about our symbols and their meaning, rejecting them the moment a radical group tries to take ownership of them robs us of our history. Fuck Nazis man.[/QUOTE] At this point, I'm kind of used to it - many years ago in the US, my aunt was gifted a rather lovely placard which was basically a kind of "Good blessing" for the house which featured, you guessed it, looked like a swastika. Kind of like this, except woodburned onto some lovely teak, probably cost a bomb to do in India: [t]http://mantratantrayantras.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/MahaVastu031_1.jpg[/t] One of her neighbours, [I]despite knowing she was a Hindu and understanding the symbolism,[/I] called the cops (instead of talking to her directly) to take it down, claiming outrage on the behalf of "the Jewish people", of which two lived in the neighborhood and loved my aunt very much, were babysitters to my cousin and when they came to hear of it, started laughing. :v: The cops were understanding, but they also didn't want it to become a big thing, so they asked her to reposition it so it wasn't immediately visible to passersby, but still visible as you approached the main door. It still hangs there to this day, but it really made my aunt mad. I myself have faced such shit - my grandfather specifically bequeathed a ring to me which has an Om and a Swastika on it. I used to wear it all the time until someone noticed it and then it became a whole mess. The power behind symbolism, in my opinion, comes with intent and context. Pointing to it as offensive under any other circumstances need to be taken with a huge heaping of salt and with the attitude that it needs to be considered innocent before assigning guilt.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53107372]Neo Nazis didn't lay claim to these symbols, actual Nazis did. SS foreign divisions used all kinds of symbols, including these nordic runes. But they also used knights, vikings (Wiking division), birds, tanks, letters, ect. Its dumb to disassociate yourself from your heritage just because men of your heritage served with the SS under those symbols.[/QUOTE] the point I was making is that by creating controversy around the usage of these symbols we allow these twats to lay claim on the symbols. I'm not gonna disassociate from my own cultural heritage lol, that's why I'm annoyed by the article

Heres an idea, how about don't bequeath and surrender more cultural symbols to white supremacists.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53107372]Neo Nazis didn't lay claim to these symbols, actual Nazis did. SS foreign divisions used all kinds of symbols, including these nordic runes. But they also used knights, vikings (Wiking division), birds, tanks, letters, ect. Its dumb to disassociate yourself from your heritage just because men of your heritage served with the SS under those symbols.[/QUOTE] It's also dumb to let a bunch of fringe fuckwits ruin everything.

It's a fucking arrow

Fuck 'em. Sport it anyway. Reclaim it in pink!

[QUOTE=slapdown3;53107346]sucks that nazi's poisoned everything they touched. rip tooth brush mustache, not even Charlie Chaplin could save you.[/QUOTE] Can't even like Prussian stuff without being called a Nazi. Imagine what it'd be like supporting some weirdo from Austria to protect your "culture and nation" only for him to cause it to be completely ruined and your country forever shamed.

Bastardization of culture is definitely top 3 worst things Nazi Germany did, not number 1 obviously but it fucks up so many good cultures, which I'm sure was exactly their plan.

[QUOTE=Megadave;53111184]Bastardization of culture is definitely top 3 worst things Nazi Germany did, not number 1 obviously but it fucks up so many good cultures, which I'm sure was exactly their plan.[/QUOTE] So whats your top 3? Because genocide, engulfing Europe in war, and and subjugating entire races is my top 3. Why are your posts always so baffling?

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53111203]So whats your top 3? Because genocide, engulfing Europe in war, and and subjugating entire races is my top 3. Why are your posts always so baffling?[/QUOTE] Because they are what they are, I'm not going to copy anyone in my posting style. If people hate it I'll stop, but with your name I'm not really too inclined to worry about it. Subjugating the races is genocide in the context of nazis. But yeah war is the other one.

[QUOTE=Megadave;53111184]Bastardization of culture is definitely top 3 worst things Nazi Germany did, not number 1 obviously but it fucks up so many good cultures, which I'm sure was exactly their plan.[/QUOTE] Disregarding the wording of the first half of your post, Hitler's use of pagan imagery and cultural symbols was 100% intentional. He spoke at length about how much he hated the Germanic paganism revival they were experiencing Europe at the time. [quote]The characteristic thing about these people is that they rave about the old Germanic heroism, about dim prehistory, stone axes, spear and shield, but in reality are the greatest cowards that can be imagined.[/quote] [quote]It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund.[/quote]