[media]https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/876593616440963072[/media]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/van-pedestrians-hit-run-over-casualties-latest-police-finsbury-park-mosque-muslims-seven-sisters-a7796551.html[/url]
[quote]"Officers are on the scene with other emergency services," he added. "There are a number of casualties being worked on at the scene. There has been one person arrested. Enquiries continue."[/quote]
Reports on Twitter that the driver targeted Muslims as they were leaving a mosque
[media]https://twitter.com/Known_As_H/status/876584605276676097[/media]
Should be seen as terrorists imo.
But remember guys, it's not terrorism if the person isn't brown. I'm 100% convinced that there will be no mention of the word "Terrorism" from the bulk of newspapers, even though it's exactly that. I'm probably going to get banned for that first sentence, but it's true. The guy won't be seen as a terrorist, just as someone who is "mentally ill" or "has many problems in his life", while the media casually forgets that the same things apply to Islamic terrorists too.
That is all, of course, based on the fact that the guy seems to have done this as some sort of revenge act, which makes sense given the specific target that was hit.
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We don't know if the person really was targeting Muslims yet. Don't jump to conclusions and wait for more information.
[QUOTE]Witnesses said the vehicle veered off the road into crowds outside Finsbury Park Mosque but it was unclear whether the collision was deliberate.
There was no immediate suggestion the incident in Finsbury Park was terror-related.[/QUOTE]
Something to keep in mind for now.
Who needs a gun when you have a two tons of steel and aluminum barreling down on people at over 30mph. Is it time to start putting bollards every 2 1/2 feet along every sidewalk because people can't control themselves (or their vehicle) or stop killing each other?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52376080]Who needs a gun when you have a two tons of steel and aluminum barreling down on people at over 30mph. Is it time to start putting bollards every 2 1/2 feet along every sidewalk because people can't control themselves (or their vehicle) or stop killing each other?[/QUOTE]
Or just make everyone use self driving cars when it gets around to actually being useful.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;52376103]Or just make everyone use self driving cars when it gets around to actually being useful.[/QUOTE]
Then they will kill people with something else.
In tge end, we must do our best to remove whatever motives people have for killing each other
Here's what the [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000#Definition_of_terrorism]Terrorism Act[/url] says: a terrorist incident must be "designed to influence the government ... or to intimidate the public or a section of the public", and done with "the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause"
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52376150]For this to be considered a terrorist incident under the [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000#Definition_of_terrorism]Terrorism Act[/url], it must be shown that it was "designed to influence the government ... or to intimidate the public or a section of the public", and that it was done with "the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause"[/QUOTE]
Idk running a vehicle into people definitely is intimidating a section of the public
Let's not speculate too much until we have actual concrete evidence, I expect most people would rather not trawl through 5 pages of speculation whilst looking for infomation. Also, as I expect Hezzy is probably asleep remember his usual rule of no potentially identifying photos of victims, although hopefully all them recover fully.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;52376183]Let's not speculate too much until we have actual concrete evidence, I expect most people would rather not trawl through 5 pages of speculation whilst looking for infomation. Also, as I expect Hezzy is probably asleep [B]remember his usual rule of no potentially identifying photos of victims[/B], although hopefully all them recover fully.[/QUOTE]
Yup, you'll be banned if you post anything to this effect.
What a truly, truly dark year for Britain
Another attack? what the fuck man
jesus london can't catch a break this month :(
[QUOTE=MissZoey;52376016]But remember guys, it's not terrorism if the person isn't brown. I'm 100% convinced that there will be no mention of the word "Terrorism" from the bulk of newspapers, even though it's exactly that. I'm probably going to get banned for that first sentence, but it's true. The guy won't be seen as a terrorist, just as someone who is "mentally ill" or "has many problems in his life", while the media casually forgets that the same things apply to Islamic terrorists too.
That is all, of course, based on the fact that the guy seems to have done this as some sort of revenge act, which makes sense given the specific target that was hit.
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Do you not see a difference between a continuous stream of ideologically motivated militants and a racist lone wolf performing an act of revenge on Muslims in a singular event? The definition of terrorism is so broad and generic that there's plenty of events which could be technically classified as terrorism, but terrorism has taken on a colloquial meaning as having something to do with.. You know, the constant bombardment of Islamic terrorists that target and kill massive groups of civilians throughout Europe every other week?
[QUOTE=srobins;52376401]Do you not see a difference between a continuous stream of ideologically motivated militants and a racist lone wolf performing an act of revenge on Muslims in a singular event? The definition of terrorism is so broad and generic that there's plenty of events which could be technically classified as terrorism, but [B]terrorism has taken on a colloquial meaning as having something to do with.. You know, the constant bombardment of Islamic terrorists that target and kill massive groups of civilians throughout Europe every other week?[/B][/QUOTE]
show me in a dictionary that "terrorism" needs to have something to do with islam
[QUOTE=da space core;52376466]show me in a dictionary that "terrorism" needs to have something to do with islam[/QUOTE]
It doesn't, like I said right before the bolded bit, the definition of terrorism is incredibly broad and applies to tons of stuff that could be labeled terrorism but just isn't. I would call the IRA terrorists and they're white, I just don't think an individual occurrence of one white racist running people over is really deserving of the label "terrorism". If somebody calls it that, I wouldn't argue against it, but I think immediately jumping to this self-righteous "I BET NOBODY WILL SAY ITS TERRORISM BECAUSE HES WHITE" is stupid to me.
[QUOTE=srobins;52376476]It doesn't, like I said right before the bolded bit, the definition of terrorism is incredibly broad and applies to tons of stuff that could be labeled terrorism but just isn't. I would call the IRA terrorists and they're white, I just don't think an individual occurrence of one white racist running people over is really deserving of the label "terrorism". If somebody calls it that, I wouldn't argue against it, but I think immediately jumping to this self-righteous "I BET NOBODY WILL SAY ITS TERRORISM BECAUSE HES WHITE" is stupid to me.[/QUOTE]
But you ARE basically saying it isnt real terrorism because he is white.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52376481]But you ARE basically saying it isnt real terrorism because he is white.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=srobins;52376476]It doesn't, like I said right before the bolded bit, the definition of terrorism is incredibly broad and applies to tons of stuff that could be labeled terrorism but just isn't. [B]I would call the IRA terrorists and they're white[/B], I just don't think an individual occurrence of one white racist running people over is really deserving of the label "terrorism". If somebody calls it that, I wouldn't argue against it, but I think immediately jumping to this self-righteous "I BET NOBODY WILL SAY ITS TERRORISM BECAUSE HES WHITE" is stupid to me.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with the fact that he's white, it's the fact that it's a one-off event that most likely is an act of revenge for a specific attack that occurred like two weeks ago. I think there is some distinction between [I]that[/I] and a continuous campaign of civilian slaughters that has been going on for like the past 3 years in Europe.
Is this war? Some people on my facebook believe it to be lol.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52376530]To be frank, a lot of the terrorists attacks weren't organized or part of an ongoing campaign. They, too, were loners. Charlie Hebdo and the other major Paris attacks are exceptions of course, but they don't happen "every other week", not even the loners.
Just because a guy is a loner doesn't mean his politically charged attempt at murdering dozens is not terrorism.
(Speaking on a hypotethical based on a speculation pushed by above folks, im nt saying the guy did this or that. [I]Assuming [/I]this were the case.)
[editline]19th June 2017[/editline]
[B]There is no continous campaign of slaughters in Europe. That is in the Middle East. In Europe they are sporadic events with no real organization or continuity.[/B][/QUOTE]
When there are headlines reporting that European citizens are being targeted in terror attacks motivated by the same ideology over and over again (and I'm referring specifically to Islamic extremism, not Islam in general), I'd call that a pretty continuous campaign dude. Regardless of whether or not everyone involved in these attacks are all communicating with walkie-talkies and drawing up their attack plans together, they're all part of a singular extremist movement to intimidate and disrupt the West, and in that sense I think it's very fair to say that they are connected.
[editline]19th June 2017[/editline]
Similarly, if there becomes a trend where Europeans are regularly targeting and killing Muslims (or any group of people for that matter), at that point I would absolutely agree that it's terrorism.
Can people stop driving vehicles into groups of other people please
[QUOTE=srobins;52376511]It has nothing to do with the fact that he's white, it's the fact that it's a one-off event that most likely is an act of revenge for a specific attack that occurred like two weeks ago. I think there is some distinction between [I]that[/I] and a continuous campaign of civilian slaughters that has been going on for like the past 3 years in Europe.[/QUOTE]
What is the difference between this incident(If it was terrorism as it is too early to tell) and other incidents of vans mowing down innocent bystanders? Other then the victims were muslim and the attacker is apperently white? You coming into this thread and immediately go "oh but but muslims do it more!" before the bodies are even cold and before the police even confirm anything. Europe isnt a warzone either.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52376586]What is the difference between this incident(If it was terrorism as it is too early to tell) and other incidents of vans mowing down innocent bystanders? Other then the victims were muslim and the attacker is apperently white? You coming into this thread and immediately go "oh but but muslims do it more!" before the bodies are even cold and before the police even confirm anything. Europe isnt a warzone either.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that one is (I'm assuming) a singular angry racist reacting to a recent event, and the other is a well-defined campaign of terror motivated by a single ideology whose entire mission statement is to use acts of violence and terror to disrupt and destroy the West, which has been doing so regularly for years now.
[QUOTE=srobins;52376562]When there are headlines reporting that European citizens are being targeted in terror attacks motivated by the same ideology over and over again (and I'm referring specifically to Islamic extremism, not Islam in general), I'd call that a pretty continuous campaign dude. Regardless of whether or not everyone involved in these attacks are all communicating with walkie-talkies and drawing up their attack plans together, they're all part of a singular extremist movement to intimidate and disrupt the West, and in that sense I think it's very fair to say that they are connected.
[editline]19th June 2017[/editline]
Similarly, if there becomes a trend where Europeans are regularly targeting and killing Muslims (or any group of people for that matter), at that point I would absolutely agree that it's terrorism.[/QUOTE]
"Officer yes I shot that man but you can't charge me with murder! You see most murders are done by >insert race< and much more often then my race so as you can see it isn't REAL murder"
[QUOTE=Sky King;52376603]"Officer yes I shot that man but you can't charge me with murder! You see most murders are done by >insert race< and much more often then my race so as you can see it isn't REAL murder"[/QUOTE]
This post would be so much funnier if it had even the slightest connection to what I've said in this thread, do you want to give it another go? Maybe take a little break so you can think up something [I]really[/I] good?
[QUOTE=srobins;52376596]The difference is that one is (I'm assuming) a singular angry racist reacting to a recent event, and the other is a well-defined campaign of terror motivated by a single ideology whose entire mission statement is to use acts of violence and terror to disrupt and destroy the West, which has been doing so regularly for years now.[/QUOTE]
MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN COMMIT TERROR ATTACKS. How is that so hard to understand and why do you keep trying so hard to push that idea?
[editline]18th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=srobins;52376619]This post would be so much funnier if it had even the slightest connection to what I've said in this thread, do you want to give it another go? Maybe take a little break so you can think up something [I]really[/I] good?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I need a break your posts are giving me a headache.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52376620]MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN COMMIT TERROR ATTACKS. How is that so hard to understand and why do you keep trying so hard to push that idea?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=srobins;52376476][B]I would call the IRA terrorists and they're white[/B], I just don't think an individual occurrence of one white racist running people over is really deserving of the label "terrorism".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=srobins;52376562]Similarly, if there becomes a trend where Europeans are regularly targeting and killing Muslims (or any group of people for that matter), at that point I would absolutely agree that it's terrorism.[/QUOTE]
You're getting really worked up and don't seem to even be reading my posts, maybe you should wipe the hot steam off your glasses and try to get your shit together before you start going off on me for things I'm neither saying nor implying lol
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