US accuses Fiat Chrysler of using emission testing defeat devices - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]The US government is suing car firm Fiat Chrysler, alleging the firm sold vehicles with "defeat devices"that helped them pass emissions tests. The firm did not disclose the emissions control software to regulators, the Department of Justice (DoJ) alleged. The software enabled the vehicles to produce loweremissions during roadworthiness tests than they did when used under normal driving conditions. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40021903[/url]

Wouldn't surprise me, their cars are absolute shit in literally every category, they gotta cheat where they can to even compete with anyone.

Didnt VW do this same thing?

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52268287]Wouldn't surprise me, their cars are absolute shit in literally every category, they gotta cheat where they can to even compete with anyone.[/QUOTE] I doubt it has anything to do with shit cars. My money is on emission standards set being completely infeasible. I'd guess nearly every car manufacture has been using testing-defeat devices.

Surprised our current government would give a shit. Wouldn't surprise me if the lawsuit ended up getting called off.

[QUOTE=download;52268341]I doubt it has anything to do with shit cars. My money is on emission standards set being completely infeasible. I'd guess nearly every car manufacture has been using testing-defeat devices.[/QUOTE] Obviously that's not the case. The cars have to be capable of passing the emissions test at some point. It's probably like VW, turning off the emissions controls to increase performance. Simply turn them back on with a software update, and then consumers can sue the manufacturer for false advertising of the performance capabilities.

[QUOTE=download;52268341]I doubt it has anything to do with shit cars. My money is on emission standards set being completely infeasible. I'd guess nearly every car manufacture has been using testing-defeat devices.[/QUOTE] Considering that if it were true... the evidence would be readily available in every product they sell. That would be a bit harder to brush off

[QUOTE=bigbadbarron;52268466]Considering that if it were true... the evidence would be readily available in every product they sell. That would be a bit harder to brush off[/QUOTE] Given that Jeep, Nissan and Renult have also been accused on using defeat devices in addition to Volkswagon and now Fiat I'm going to go with yes.

I've punched out my cats anyways, yay for rural emissions!

[QUOTE=download;52268481]Given that Jeep, Nissan and Renult have also been accused on using defeat devices in addition to Volkswagon and now Fiat I'm going to go with yes.[/QUOTE] Jeep is fiat Chrysler, Nissan only got accused of it in South Korea, and only had to recall 800 cars. Renault was investigated but no defeat device found.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52268287]Wouldn't surprise me, their cars are absolute shit in literally every category, they gotta cheat where they can to even compete with anyone.[/QUOTE] uh except that punch for punch Dodge's sport offerings wipe the floor with everything they compete with and there's a reason the Charger is the most popular police car in the United States. Fiat sucks and the badge-engineered Fiats (like the Dart) are garbage but the domestically built Dodge-Chrysler vehicles have the same problems as every other domestic vehicle. Any modern car is bound to have issues ranging from cheap interiors to corner-cutting in the drivetrain and not even the expensive luxury brands like BMW are exempt from this.

[QUOTE=Storm12230;52268485]I've punched out my cats anyways, yay for rural emissions![/QUOTE] Why? Isn't that illegal?

[QUOTE=download;52268481]Given that Jeep, Nissan and Renult have also been accused on using defeat devices in addition to Volkswagon and now Fiat I'm going to go with yes.[/QUOTE] "if everyone is cheating, it must be alright"

[QUOTE=Morgen;52269488]Why? Isn't that illegal?[/QUOTE] Not everywhere. Cats suck power and choke the exhaust note. You usually do it as a cheap way to improve the sound of your exhaust, but it looks like this dweeb did it just to stick it to them dadgum environmentalists. Yay pollution!!! :downs: It's one thing to do it for performance/sound, another entirely to do it just to spite people by intentionally polluting more. I have an F250 with no cats, but I'm not just [I]trying[/I] to pollute.

[QUOTE=Storm12230;52268485]I've punched out my cats anyways, yay for rural emissions![/QUOTE] Comeon now, throw some new ones in. Modern high flow cata sap at most half a horsepower from your engine. Literally no reason not to use them. And that coming from someone apathetic and indifferent to the evironment...come on now. [editline]24th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;52269511]Not everywhere. Cats suck power and choke the exhaust note. You usually do it as a cheap way to improve the sound of your exhaust, but it looks like this dweeb did it just to stick it to them dadgum environmentalists. Yay pollution!!! :downs: It's one thing to do it for performance/sound, another entirely to do it just to spite people by intentionally polluting more. I have an F250 with no cats, but I'm not just [I]trying[/I] to pollute.[/QUOTE] If half a horsepower is enough to warrant punching the cats....its anecdotal I know, but my truck actually runs worse if I run catless. I have fuck all top end and a shitty idle if I dont have a cat in the system. Harder starts too. Your engine's output fluctuates more from the ambient temp/air density than the gains from punching the cats. Its pointless. Modern cats flow so well the engine wont be any worse off for it, and some run better with one.

The F250 is a '78. The cats on 70s Fords suck power through a straw and it's already gutless so anything extra helps. It's bad. I wouldn't pull the cats off a modern car/truck, since manufacturers have figured out how to make them work since 1978.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52268287]Wouldn't surprise me, their cars are absolute shit in literally every category, they gotta cheat where they can to even compete with anyone.[/QUOTE] I mean if by shit cars in every category you mean having the best minivans, fullsize sedans, and VERY competitive crossovers and trucks, yeah, I guess :v: But hey why not spout 90s meems that died in 2002!!!!

[QUOTE=Storm12230;52268485]I've punched out my cats anyways, yay for rural emissions![/QUOTE] At first I thought you meant actual cats and I was very confused

[QUOTE=download;52268481]Given that Jeep, Nissan and Renult have also been accused on using defeat devices in addition to Volkswagon and now Fiat I'm going to go with yes.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40010111]Daimler was raided just yesterday for the same thing[/url]

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52269828]I mean if by shit cars in every category you mean having the best minivans, fullsize sedans, and VERY competitive crossovers and trucks, yeah, I guess :v: But hey why not spout 90s meems that died in 2002!!!![/QUOTE] If they are so good why are sales dropping?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52269829]At first I thought you meant actual cats and I was very confused[/QUOTE] [img]https://i.gyazo.com/b61f8fd7e7a106163b2e9aac20aad006.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=download;52268341]My money is on emission standards set being completely infeasible.[/QUOTE] If the emission standards are "completely infeasible", how come these cars are still capable of passing them? They want to claim they pass the standards whilst having their old performance numbers, that's where the problem is. These cars can run as cleanly as required by regulation, they just want to jerk off to their retarded performance numbers.

Having no cats on diesel exhaust should render the car illegal and should warrant a hefty fine. (maybe the revenue can help people with lung disorders from breathing toxic diesel byproducts)

[QUOTE]Under federal law, catalytic converters may not be removed and replaced with "converter replacement pipes' by any person. The 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments even prohibit private individuals from installing "converter replacement pipes" on their own vehicles. Anyone who installs such pipes would violate section 203(a)(3)(A) and (B) of the Clean Air Act (Act). In addition to federal law, forty-five out of the fifty States also have statutes or regulations which prohibit tampering with the pollution control equipment on motor vehicles or driving or selling such vehicles. Thus, vehicle owners who tamper with their own vehicles may be subject to substantial penalties under both federal and State law. The only circumstances in which a person would be allowed to remove a converter is if the vehicle is being shipped overseas to an area where unleaded gasoline is not generally available. (Vehicles traveling to Canada or Mexico are nnf; eligible for this exemption.) In this instance the vehicle owner must have a letter from the EPA specifically authorizing the converter removal from the vehicle in question. [/QUOTE] [url]https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/exhsysrepair.pdf[/url] Though a bit hard to enforce I guess.

Those of you talking about removing your cats, be careful. Many cars require a tune + dummy O2 sensors to keep the car running properly. If you plan on doing it do it properly. Except for that F250, god doesn't that thing have an old 460 in it? Your entire neighborhood must hate you beyond belief.

[QUOTE=Morgen;52269846]If they are so good why are sales dropping?[/QUOTE] All of the Big Three are experiencing sales drops, not just Dodge. Fewer people are buying new cars period.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52269828]I mean if by shit cars in every category you mean having the best minivans, fullsize sedans, and VERY competitive crossovers and trucks, yeah, I guess :v: But hey why not spout 90s meems that died in 2002!!!![/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/"]My ass.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Morgen;52269846]If they are so good why are sales dropping?[/QUOTE] The usual conotation that Fiat made cars have bad quality. And honestly, it shows a bit. [editline]24th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;52269828]I mean if by shit cars in every category you mean having the best minivans, fullsize sedans, and VERY competitive crossovers and trucks, yeah, I guess :v: But hey why not spout 90s meems that died in 2002!!!![/QUOTE] The VW group has everything needed to be better in every single way, in comparison to Fiat-Chrisler.

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52270179]Having no cats on diesel exhaust should render the car illegal and should warrant a hefty fine. (maybe the revenue can help people with lung disorders from breathing toxic diesel byproducts)[/QUOTE] Hur dur they blow the black smoke so dey must be bad for da enviroment On average diesels polute far less than gas vehicles, and on top of that consistently get better fuel mileage. So, less burnt fuel = less pollution. Diesel fuel also requires less energy for refining. The only bad side is they emit for nitrogen, but that said they emit less CO2, CO, and hydrocarbons. They also dont need to run off diesel, you can use used engine oil, or vegetable oil among many others. The engines rev lower so they last far longer than conventional gas engines as well, leading to longer vehicle life.

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;52270634]Hur dur they blow the black smoke so dey must be bad for da enviroment On average diesels polute far less than gas vehicles, and on top of that consistently get better fuel mileage. So, less burnt fuel = less pollution. Diesel fuel also requires less energy for refining. The only bad side is they emit for nitrogen, but that said they emit less CO2, CO, and hydrocarbons. They also dont need to run off diesel, you can use used engine oil, or vegetable oil among many others. The engines rev lower so they last far longer than conventional gas engines as well, leading to longer vehicle life.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the clouds of black smoke that are big enough to look like Wacky Races weapons do more harm than the usual smoke coming out of a petrol car.